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Post by blny on Apr 26, 2018 7:37:29 GMT -5
The draft lottery will be televised on CBC and Sportsnet between 7:30 and 8:00pm EDT Saturday prior to the game, unveiling spots 15 to 4. The top three will be unveiled in the second intermission of the hockey game that night. Talk about stringing it out. Good grief. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 26, 2018 7:38:11 GMT -5
We still don’t know what picks we will get for the TO and Washington second rounders. It will depend on who advances to the conference finals and who wins them and the Cup.
Right now the TO is in the 54-56 range. It will be 54 if SJ and PIT win their series; 55 if one win their series; and 56 if both lose their series. WSH pick is a bit more complicated as they are a division winner and still playing.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 26, 2018 11:51:43 GMT -5
Just talking aloud ... if anyone already mentioned this just ignore it, but I wonder if the club does land Dom Ducharme, will Marc Bergevin will make a big pitch for Joseph Veleno ... Veleno currently plays for Ducharme in the "Q" ... a homegrown, highly-skilled centre who makes everyone around him better ... just a thought ...
Cheers.
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Post by blny on Apr 26, 2018 12:07:28 GMT -5
Just talking aloud ... if anyone already mentioned this just ignore it, but I wonder if the club does land Dom Ducharme, will Marc Bergevin will make a big pitch for Joseph Veleno ... Veleno currently plays for Ducharme in the "Q" ... a homegrown, highly-skilled centre who makes everyone around him better ... just a thought ... Cheers. One has to wonder if the signing of Alain is part of a move to get Joel Bouchard. He's the current coach of the Armada, and is well regarded. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 26, 2018 12:27:09 GMT -5
Just talking aloud ... if anyone already mentioned this just ignore it, but I wonder if the club does land Dom Ducharme, will Marc Bergevin will make a big pitch for Joseph Veleno ... Veleno currently plays for Ducharme in the "Q" ... a homegrown, highly-skilled centre who makes everyone around him better ... just a thought ... Cheers. If we pick Veleno with one of the top seven spots (the only ones that we can land), then the first round will be an epic fail for me. Talent wise, there just are too many better options (and likely even at centre with a guy like Kotkaniemi who is moving up the draft right now). |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 26, 2018 13:17:02 GMT -5
Just talking aloud ... if anyone already mentioned this just ignore it, but I wonder if the club does land Dom Ducharme, will Marc Bergevin will make a big pitch for Joseph Veleno ... Veleno currently plays for Ducharme in the "Q" ... a homegrown, highly-skilled centre who makes everyone around him better ... just a thought ... Cheers. If we pick Veleno with one of the top seven spots (the only ones that we can land), then the first round will be an epic fail for me. Talent wise, there just are too many better options (and likely even at centre with a guy like Kotkaniemi who is moving up the draft right now). Well, that's what I get for not finishing a complete thought ... yes, I'm missing specifics (and trying to juggle work, as well) ... I didn't mean for ( Trevor Timmins) to draft Joseph Veleno with his (#4) pick, but rather try to land Veleno by including Max Pacioretty in some sort of deal ... that's more of where I wanted to go, but, alas ... memory is the second thing to go at my age ... Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 26, 2018 13:38:29 GMT -5
We still don’t know what picks we will get for the TO and Washington second rounders. It will depend on who advances to the conference finals and who wins them and the Cup. Right now the TO is in the 54-56 range. It will be 54 if SJ and PIT win their series; 55 if one win their series; and 56 if both lose their series. WSH pick is a bit more complicated as they are a division winner and still playing. I thought those playoff rules only counted for round 1. Has that changed or am I wrong? I thought 2nd round on was based purely on where you finished in regular season. |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 26, 2018 13:40:27 GMT -5
If we pick Veleno with one of the top seven spots (the only ones that we can land), then the first round will be an epic fail for me. Talent wise, there just are too many better options (and likely even at centre with a guy like Kotkaniemi who is moving up the draft right now). Well, that's what I get for not finishing a complete thought ... yes, I'm missing specifics (and trying to juggle work, as well) ... I didn't mean for ( Trevor Timmins) to draft Joseph Veleno with his (#4) pick, but rather try to land Veleno by including Max Pacioretty in some sort of deal ... that's more of where I wanted to go, but, alas ... memory is the second thing to go at my age ... Cheers. Veleno's stock has fallen quite a bit from when he was granted 'exceptional' status. I'm torn on whether we should draft him at all, but I guess it all depends on how far he falls. He'd be a terrific 7th round pick  . |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 26, 2018 15:53:30 GMT -5
Well, that's what I get for not finishing a complete thought ... yes, I'm missing specifics (and trying to juggle work, as well) ... I didn't mean for ( Trevor Timmins) to draft Joseph Veleno with his (#4) pick, but rather try to land Veleno by including Max Pacioretty in some sort of deal ... that's more of where I wanted to go, but, alas ... memory is the second thing to go at my age ... Cheers. Veleno's stock has fallen quite a bit from when he was granted 'exceptional' status. I'm torn on whether we should draft him at all, but I guess it all depends on how far he falls. He'd be a terrific 7th round pick . 7th round ... what an endorsement ... what is it about Joseph Veleno that caused his stock to fall so rapidly ... Cheers. |
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Post by Dschens on Apr 26, 2018 17:42:10 GMT -5
The draft lottery will be televised on CBC and Sportsnet between 7:30 and 8:00pm EDT Saturday prior to the game, unveiling spots 15 to 4. The top three will be unveiled in the second intermission of the hockey game that night. Are you going to see the real lottery process or do they just present the lottery results by pulling cards out of the hat with team logos on it? Transparency, you know. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 26, 2018 18:15:56 GMT -5
The draft lottery will be televised on CBC and Sportsnet between 7:30 and 8:00pm EDT Saturday prior to the game, unveiling spots 15 to 4. The top three will be unveiled in the second intermission of the hockey game that night. Are you going to see the real lottery process or do they just present the lottery results by pulling cards out of the hat with team logos on it? Transparency, you know. In the past I remember just the cards with logos. I am sure we will see the auditors from E&y or PWC or whomever oversees the process come out and attest to the controls over the process, bla, bla, bla. I know the details of the lottery combos and the actual winning numbers picked do get out at some point. I remember a story about the Austin Matthews draft. Apparently we were down to the wire on him, and had the first three numbers and had the same odds as the Leafs and some other teams. Their last number came up, ours did not. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 26, 2018 18:24:39 GMT -5
We still don’t know what picks we will get for the TO and Washington second rounders. It will depend on who advances to the conference finals and who wins them and the Cup. Right now the TO is in the 54-56 range. It will be 54 if SJ and PIT win their series; 55 if one win their series; and 56 if both lose their series. WSH pick is a bit more complicated as they are a division winner and still playing. I thought those playoff rules only counted for round 1. Has that changed or am I wrong? I thought 2nd round on was based purely on where you finished in regular season. My understanding, and I checked this out for this draft somewhere this week, is they are still ranking the conference final losers, Cup losers and winners at the bottom of the draft. So the Cup winner picks 31, loser picks 30, conf losers pick 29, 28, with the lower spot going based on regular season points or if one was a division winner and the other was not. The second round is based on regular season as you mention, except division winners rank lower within those second round losers. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 26, 2018 18:34:59 GMT -5
If we pick Veleno with one of the top seven spots (the only ones that we can land), then the first round will be an epic fail for me. Talent wise, there just are too many better options (and likely even at centre with a guy like Kotkaniemi who is moving up the draft right now). Well, that's what I get for not finishing a complete thought ... yes, I'm missing specifics (and trying to juggle work, as well) ... I didn't mean for ( Trevor Timmins) to draft Joseph Veleno with his (#4) pick, but rather try to land Veleno by including Max Pacioretty in some sort of deal ... that's more of where I wanted to go, but, alas ... memory is the second thing to go at my age ... Cheers. If he trades Max for another first, and both Kotkaniemi and Veleno are still on the board, I still pick the Finn. Depending on where that pick would be and who is still on the board, I don’t think Veleno is a given. The main concern with him is his stalled offensive production compared to some peers who are trending upwards. He still should go top 15 in a decent first round. If he had not received exception status, I don’t think he would face anywhere near the same scrutiny. He is not a bad player by any means. I think the team will be able to get some Q kids, especially in the later rounds. There will be less to distinguish kids in those rounds, so you can easily add the local lens. |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 26, 2018 18:51:42 GMT -5
In the past I remember just the cards with logos. I am sure we will see the auditors from E&y or PWC or whomever oversees the process come out and attest to the controls over the process, bla, bla, bla. I know the details of the lottery combos and the actual winning numbers picked do get out at some point. Enron's audited financial statements were handled by a major accounting firm too. I trust no one when it comes to matters of importance and there is money involved. The same firm that was auditing the books was a consultant to Enron to devise ways to skew income. Talk about a conflict of interest. What if the same firm that does the NHL's books also 'vouches' for the draft lottery? If Jacobs or Bettman wants something to 'fall' a certain way, wouldn't it? |
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 27, 2018 6:55:27 GMT -5
. I didn't mean for ( Trevor Timmins) to draft Joseph Veleno with his (#4) pick, but rather try to land Veleno by including Max Pacioretty in some sort of deal ... that's more of where I wanted to go, but, alas ... memory is the second thing to go at my age ... Cheers. Please don't tell us the first thing to go.... Please don't... |
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 27, 2018 7:01:04 GMT -5
In the past I remember just the cards with logos. I am sure we will see the auditors from E&y or PWC or whomever oversees the process come out and attest to the controls over the process, bla, bla, bla. I know the details of the lottery combos and the actual winning numbers picked do get out at some point. Enron's audited financial statements were handled by a major accounting firm too. I trust no one when it comes to matters of importance and there is money involved. The same firm that was auditing the books was a consultant to Enron to devise ways to skew income. Talk about a conflict of interest. What if the same firm that does the NHL's books also 'vouches' for the draft lottery? If Jacobs or Bettman wants something to 'fall' a certain way, wouldn't it? See 2005 draft... very convenient... a team on the edge of bankruptcy gets a generational talent in a made up lottery based on "Luck" Also, when it comes to financial companies, Goldman-Sachs pulled some 'magic' to make Greece books look rosy before they got into the EU... Don't trust any of them... |
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Post by franko on Apr 27, 2018 7:27:38 GMT -5
Enron's audited financial statements were handled by a major accounting firm too. I trust no one when it comes to matters of importance and there is money involved. The same firm that was auditing the books was a consultant to Enron to devise ways to skew income. Talk about a conflict of interest. when it comes to financial companies, Goldman-Sachs pulled some 'magic' to make Greece books look rosy before they got into the EU... Don't trust any of them... see: Government of Ontario. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 27, 2018 8:13:59 GMT -5
when it comes to financial companies, Goldman-Sachs pulled some 'magic' to make Greece books look rosy before they got into the EU... Don't trust any of them... see: Government of Ontario. That's a difference of opinion 😉 |
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Post by franko on Apr 27, 2018 9:51:58 GMT -5
see: Government of Ontario. That's a difference of opinion 😉 More of a difference of interpretation |
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Post by Tankdriver on Apr 27, 2018 10:53:41 GMT -5
They had posted a video of the draft process on sportsnet back a few years ago with Bettman and all the reps. It came out a day after the results. It is very cool the way it was done. All teams are giving a list of numbers before the draw and all the balls are put in the machine. The only way it can be fixed is with weighted balls. i think it was the Mcdavid draft.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 28, 2018 11:31:10 GMT -5
See 2005 draft... very convenient... a team on the edge of bankruptcy gets a generational talent in a made up lottery based on "Luck" There are lots of conspiracy theories about the lottery being fixed ... some centre around how the Oilers got so many lottery wins and there's even a few out there that the league engineered the draft to save the Pittsburgh franchise ... IIRC, drafting Sydney Crosby changed the entire direction of the Pittsburgh franchise ... there's another 'conspiracy' theory out there as to how Montreal moved up to 5th overall in the same draft despite only having one lottery ball ... Top 5 Lottery Wins in NHL History ... wouldn't mind seeing that luck come around again ... mind you, I start chuckling when I think how the fan base will react to dropping to from 4th ... I have my fingers crossed that we, at the very least, maintain status quo ... we'll see tonight ... Cheers. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 28, 2018 12:09:39 GMT -5
If we drop from 4th place fans will blame MB😁
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 1, 2018 6:39:28 GMT -5
Edwards: Look for Montreal to trade back in first round edit: this is around the 10:10 mark ... Mark Edwards is high on puck-moving d-man, Nicolas Beaudin ... just happens to play for Drummonville ... link
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Post by blny on May 1, 2018 7:03:21 GMT -5
Edwards: Look for Montreal to trade back in first round edit: this is around the 10:10 mark ... Mark Edwards is high on puck-moving d-man, Nicolas Beaudin ... just happens to play for Drummonville ... link Edwards said "trading back in". IMO, he never really finished that thought and the way he said it, in the context of what he was talking about, it could easily have been taken as using a combination of the 4 seconds to trade back into the first to try and get Beaudin. EDIT: he backs up that notion around the 16 minute mark imo. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 1, 2018 7:12:33 GMT -5
Well, that's what I get for not finishing a complete thought ... yes, I'm missing specifics (and trying to juggle work, as well) ... I didn't mean for ( Trevor Timmins) to draft Joseph Veleno with his (#4) pick, but rather try to land Veleno by including Max Pacioretty in some sort of deal ... that's more of where I wanted to go, but, alas ... memory is the second thing to go at my age ... Cheers. Veleno's stock has fallen quite a bit from when he was granted 'exceptional' status. I'm torn on whether we should draft him at all, but I guess it all depends on how far he falls. He'd be a terrific 7th round pick . Just found out Mark Edwards has Nicolas Beaudin D, ranked higher than Joseph Veleno ... Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 1, 2018 7:13:43 GMT -5
Edwards: Look for Montreal to trade back in first round edit: this is around the 10:10 mark ... Mark Edwards is high on puck-moving d-man, Nicolas Beaudin ... just happens to play for Drummonville ... link Edwards said "trading back in". IMO, he never really finished that thought and the way he said it, in the context of what he was talking about, it could easily have been taken as using a combination of the 4 seconds to trade back into the first to try and get Beaudin. EDIT: he backs up that notion around the 16 minute mark imo. He also had an interesting take on Jesperi Kotkaniemi ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on May 1, 2018 7:20:30 GMT -5
Veleno's stock has fallen quite a bit from when he was granted 'exceptional' status. I'm torn on whether we should draft him at all, but I guess it all depends on how far he falls. He'd be a terrific 7th round pick . Just found out Mark Edwards has Nicolas Beaudin D, ranked higher than Joseph Veleno ... Cheers. I'm not seeing a lot different than Mete. I think you'd have to be careful here. You'll have to gauge where other teams are and how they see him. If he's around early in the second, I think it's a lock you use a second on him. Would I burn a couple of seconds to move up and take him? No. Mete, Juulsen, and the guys we took last year mean using picks to move up should be done for areas of need. |
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Post by blny on May 1, 2018 7:21:35 GMT -5
Edwards said "trading back in". IMO, he never really finished that thought and the way he said it, in the context of what he was talking about, it could easily have been taken as using a combination of the 4 seconds to trade back into the first to try and get Beaudin. EDIT: he backs up that notion around the 16 minute mark imo. He also had an interesting take on Jesperi Kotkaniemi ... Cheers. Definitely sees him ahead of Veleno. I believe that is in line with what NWT has been saying. More skill and better at using his linemates and making his linemates better players than Veleno. |
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Post by franko on May 1, 2018 10:18:03 GMT -5
Edwards: Look for Montreal to trade back in first round edit: this is around the 10:10 mark ... Mark Edwards is high on puck-moving d-man, Nicolas Beaudin ... just happens to play for Drummonville ... link I'm just not shocked. I'm trying not to (sorry) dis the GM, but what, he wants another puck moving d to trade away for a winger to turn into a centre? |
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Post by blny on May 1, 2018 10:46:50 GMT -5
Edwards: Look for Montreal to trade back in first round edit: this is around the 10:10 mark ... Mark Edwards is high on puck-moving d-man, Nicolas Beaudin ... just happens to play for Drummonville ... link I'm just not shocked. I'm trying not to (sorry) dis the GM, but what, he wants another puck moving d to trade away for a winger to turn into a centre? Like I said, I think TSN is misquoting him. The 'trade back' is really "trade back in", and I believe he's referring to the possibility that Montreal might use some of the 4 second round picks as capital to move into the first round. |
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