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Post by seventeen on May 14, 2018 12:04:38 GMT -5
Eller has always been a playoff guy. Interesting that there are two players who clearly up their game for the playoffs, Eller and Subban, and Berg got rid of both. You'd almost think he simply wants to make the playoffs, not win them.
These past playoffs, with the success of guys like Ghetto, Barberio, DSP and Eller, makes one wonder about the expectations Habs Management has for these guys and how it affects how they handle them. As CH mentions, Eller was often chastised by Therrien (as was Subban). That was such a horrible mistake, hiring that guy.
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Post by CentreHice on May 14, 2018 15:08:44 GMT -5
Eller has always been a playoff guy. Interesting that there are two players who clearly up their game for the playoffs, Eller and Subban, and Berg got rid of both. You'd almost think he simply wants to make the playoffs, not win them. These past playoffs, with the success of guys like Ghetto, Barberio, DSP and Eller, makes one wonder about the expectations Habs Management has for these guys and how it affects how they handle them. As CH mentions, Eller was often chastised by Therrien (as was Subban). That was such a horrible mistake, hiring that guy. Yes...and defending Therrien several times--to the point of lying about his coach's knowledge of the Subban trade--speaks volumes to me about Berg's judgment. If he couldn't see that his coach was a finger-pointing tyrant....what else isn't he seeing? IMO, the MB-MT combo wasted 5 years of my hockey-enjoyment time and trust. Switching to Julien was nothing but CYA. |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 14, 2018 18:11:37 GMT -5
Eller has always been a playoff guy. Interesting that there are two players who clearly up their game for the playoffs, Eller and Subban, and Berg got rid of both. You'd almost think he simply wants to make the playoffs, not win them. These past playoffs, with the success of guys like Ghetto, Barberio, DSP and Eller, makes one wonder about the expectations Habs Management has for these guys and how it affects how they handle them. As CH mentions, Eller was often chastised by Therrien (as was Subban). That was such a horrible mistake, hiring that guy. Yes...and defending Therrien several times--to the point of lying about his coach's knowledge of the Subban trade--speaks volumes to me about Berg's judgment. If he couldn't see that his coach was a finger-pointing tyrant....what else isn't he seeing? IMO, the MB-MT combo wasted 5 years of my hockey-enjoyment time and trust. Switching to Julien was nothing but CYA. If Julien wasn't available at the time how long would MB have kept MT behind the bench? |
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Post by blny on May 14, 2018 18:29:19 GMT -5
Yes...and defending Therrien several times--to the point of lying about his coach's knowledge of the Subban trade--speaks volumes to me about Berg's judgment. If he couldn't see that his coach was a finger-pointing tyrant....what else isn't he seeing? IMO, the MB-MT combo wasted 5 years of my hockey-enjoyment time and trust. Switching to Julien was nothing but CYA. If Julien wasn't available at the time how long would MB have kept MT behind the bench? Long felt that the only reason he was fired was because Julien had been. I don't know if Therrien survives last summer though, which might have been for the best anyway. |
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Post by Cranky on May 14, 2018 18:46:50 GMT -5
Eller has always been a playoff guy. Interesting that there are two players who clearly up their game for the playoffs, Eller and Subban, and Berg got rid of both. You'd almost think he simply wants to make the playoffs, not win them. These past playoffs, with the success of guys like Ghetto, Barberio, DSP and Eller, makes one wonder about the expectations Habs Management has for these guys and how it affects how they handle them. As CH mentions, Eller was often chastised by Therrien (as was Subban). That was such a horrible mistake, hiring that guy. BergyFool probably thought that he could replace Eller with run of the mill journeyman. Or prospects. That failed thinking discounted or worse, dismissed Ellers proven NHL ability, size, defensive prowess and desire. |
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Post by seventeen on May 14, 2018 22:40:47 GMT -5
[BergyFool probably thought that he could replace Eller with run of the mill journeyman. Or prospects. That failed thinking discounted or worse, dismissed Ellers proven NHL ability, size, defensive prowess and desire. It was one trade Berg made I didn't have a real problem with. My policy is to move guys along who are either too expensive, or too old to contribute. Eller still had lots of gas in the tank, but it's tough to rationalize $3.5MM for a 3rd line centre. You might be able to for Eller because he plays much better in the playoffs, but we had Danault coming along, who was an adequate replacement, younger and cheaper. So you trade Eller for draft choices and keep filling the pipeline. No problem with that. Now, one can question the move if Danault doesn't raise his game in the playoffs the way Eller does. WE haven't had a chance to judge yet. Two assists in 6 games the previous playoffs is too short a sample to critique. For Eller, 5 in 13 that same playoff season is slightly better than Danault, but this year's 11 in 14 games is quite a bit better, though he has replaced Backstrom for the last few games on the 2nd line. More opportunity...but that's what you want from a guy you're paying $3.5MM to. Hopefully Danault works out the same way. He has the desire. If you are of the opinion that Bergevin traded for Shaw to replace Eller, then it's a different argument. We gave up a lot to get Shaw...a lot more than we're getting for Eller. |
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Post by Cranky on May 15, 2018 17:05:46 GMT -5
[BergyFool probably thought that he could replace Eller with run of the mill journeyman. Or prospects. That failed thinking discounted or worse, dismissed Ellers proven NHL ability, size, defensive prowess and desire. It was one trade Berg made I didn't have a real problem with. My policy is to move guys along who are either too expensive, or too old to contribute. Eller still had lots of gas in the tank, but it's tough to rationalize $3.5MM for a 3rd line centre. You might be able to for Eller because he plays much better in the playoffs, but we had Danault coming along, who was an adequate replacement, younger and cheaper. So you trade Eller for draft choices and keep filling the pipeline. No problem with that. Now, one can question the move if Danault doesn't raise his game in the playoffs the way Eller does. WE haven't had a chance to judge yet. Two assists in 6 games the previous playoffs is too short a sample to critique. For Eller, 5 in 13 that same playoff season is slightly better than Danault, but this year's 11 in 14 games is quite a bit better, though he has replaced Backstrom for the last few games on the 2nd line. More opportunity...but that's what you want from a guy you're paying $3.5MM to. Hopefully Danault works out the same way. He has the desire. If you are of the opinion that Bergevin traded for Shaw to replace Eller, then it's a different argument. We gave up a lot to get Shaw...a lot more than we're getting for Eller. In theory, just theory, you can replace Eller with cheaper but.....have you? Who would you rather go into the playoffs with? Eller or DLR? As for the Danault comparison, it's not even close. Eller is a clear 3c (behind Kuznetsov and Backstrom) has 12, 15, 13, 12, 18 goals in the last five years, Danault has 13 goals and at times playing as our 1c or 2c. Eller is also bigger and tougher to play against then Danault. Danault is a filler or 4th liner on a contender. The only reason we had higher expectations from him was our truly pathetic depth at center. Pleks, Mitchel adn DD is a joke of center depth. Sure, Eller should of stepped on them like fleas, but he simply doesn't have the offensive talent to do so. Eller NHL career has evolved to exactly what he is capable.......an excellent 3c shut down center that can contribute. Sorry, I'll pay 3.5 million of Mol$on$ money and keep Eller as a 3c. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 17, 2018 7:14:00 GMT -5
Fleury had an amazing third period last night, as the Jets were all over the Knights.
Series far from over....but if MAF can keep it going (we've all seen him get into a rotten egg slump) the Knights could go all the way.
Just read that Bodog's odds for the season, released last June 12th, had VGK at 150/1 to win it all. No other team was more than 75/1.
If they win the Cup, we'll no doubt hear about some big winners who took those odds.
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Post by blny on May 17, 2018 7:49:32 GMT -5
This cracked me up.
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Post by folatre on May 17, 2018 20:07:31 GMT -5
Tampa's special teams have begin to take over the series.
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Post by jkr on May 17, 2018 20:26:06 GMT -5
Vasilesky let's in a softie from Kuznetsov, 2-2. If the Habs weren't so hot for Tinordi, the could have drafted Kuznetzov.  |
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Post by jkr on May 17, 2018 20:33:58 GMT -5
Halfway through the game & the shot clock shows TB with only 8 shots.
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Post by folatre on May 17, 2018 20:44:49 GMT -5
I know drafting is not a science, but I literally want to throw up when I think about Kuznetsov.
Washington is bossing the game 5v5, but knowing Tampa they pot another power play tally somewhere in the next 25 minutes.
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Post by CentreHice on May 17, 2018 20:45:03 GMT -5
Halfway through the game & the shot clock shows TB with only 8 shots. Shaping up to be "one of those games" for the Caps. Lopsided chance/PP/shot totals....but it's 2-2....and Tampa's very much alive.... What a nice cross-ice, backhand, saucer pass by Ovie to Kuznetsov to tie it at 2. |
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Post by franko on May 17, 2018 21:36:30 GMT -5
I know drafting is not a science, but I literally want to throw up when I think about Kuznetsov. Washington is bossing the game 5v5, but knowing Tampa they pot another power play tally somewhere in the next 25 minutes. nice call. Eller in the box. again. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 17, 2018 21:50:08 GMT -5
Vasilevskiy with 2 solid road games....and the Bolts' PK also helped steal this one.
All that rubber stopped at one end...and Killorn gets a comparatively "meh" goal to win it. You knew it was coming....
Good on Tampa in a very difficult situation.
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Post by Andrew on May 18, 2018 11:37:25 GMT -5
I know drafting is not a science, but I literally want to throw up when I think about Kuznetsov. Me too. As much as teams employ the best player available approach to drafting, if there's a 20+ year organizational need that you can't seem to fill then you've got to start taking some chances and picking the best center available rather than BPA. Montreal has 6 picks in the top 66. After their first pick I hope that all of the rest are centers. Maybe we get lucky and there's a diamond in the rough out there. Seems like the only way out of this mess. |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 18, 2018 17:42:04 GMT -5
I know drafting is not a science, but I literally want to throw up when I think about Kuznetsov. Me too. As much as teams employ the best player available approach to drafting, if there's a 20+ year organizational need that you can't seem to fill then you've got to start taking some chances and picking the best center available rather than BPA. Montreal has 6 picks in the top 66. After their first pick I hope that all of the rest are centers. Maybe we get lucky and there's a diamond in the rough out there. Seems like the only way out of this mess. I'm sure they'll take mostly defencemen |
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Post by folatre on May 18, 2018 20:49:13 GMT -5
The Jets forwards are pressing. The power play is over passing the puck.
The defense is mostly okay, but that kid Morrissey is really struggling. I guess if Maurice keeps dressing him game after important game it is because an option like Morrow is not a very appealing option.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 22:45:41 GMT -5
What an awful third period for Byfuglien. Fought the puck constantly, and his whiff lead to the game-winning goal.
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Post by folatre on May 19, 2018 11:05:37 GMT -5
Byfuglien and Morrissey both had performances to forget. But Vegas really is not generating much in the way of scoring chance danger even strength and on that play that decided the game I have to believe one would say in the conference finals your goalie has to have his team's back and make a save there. I am not saying it was a soft goal per se, but at least on television it did not appear that Reilly Smith really hammered the puck.
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Post by folatre on May 19, 2018 21:48:50 GMT -5
Vasilevskiy is playing great right now, but a little luck never hurt either. I did not watch the entirety of the game tonight and I saw two or three Capitals shots bang off the pipes.
Playoff hockey is never a bad thing and the Finals always hold appeal for hockey enthusiasts, but Vegas-Tampa really does not do much for me. No doubt Bettman is delighted -- south, no taxes, no tradition.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 20, 2018 8:59:13 GMT -5
Playoff hockey is never a bad thing and the Finals always hold appeal for hockey enthusiasts, but Vegas-Tampa really does not do much for me. No doubt Bettman is delighted -- south, no taxes, no tradition. I agree. A Vegas-Tampa final is just not “must watch” tv for me. |
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Post by jkr on May 20, 2018 9:50:22 GMT -5
Byfuglien and Morrissey both had performances to forget. But Vegas really is not generating much in the way of scoring chance danger even strength and on that play that decided the game I have to believe one would say in the conference finals your goalie has to have his team's back and make a save there. I am not saying it was a soft goal per se, but at least on television it did not appear that Reilly Smith really hammered the puck. I found the 2nd Vegas goal worse. Hellebuyck bobbled a shot he should have caught easily & then was slow on the wrap around. Fleury is just out playing everybody right now. |
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Post by franko on May 20, 2018 13:02:46 GMT -5
Byfuglien and Morrissey both had performances to forget. But Vegas really is not generating much in the way of scoring chance danger even strength and on that play that decided the game I have to believe one would say in the conference finals your goalie has to have his team's back and make a save there. I am not saying it was a soft goal per se, but at least on television it did not appear that Reilly Smith really hammered the puck. I found the 2nd Vegas goal worse. Hellebuyck bobbled a shot he should have caught easily & then was slow on the wrap around. Fleury is just out playing everybody right now. I kept picking against Vegas because I thought Fleury would crash and burn (same with Vas and TBay). good on him for proving me wrong (not all that difficult to do) |
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Post by blny on May 20, 2018 16:47:47 GMT -5
Congrats to Gerard Gallant and the Knights. Off the to the Finals in their first season.
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Post by Willie Dog on May 20, 2018 17:23:02 GMT -5
Congrats to Gerard Gallant and the Knights. Off the to the Finals in their first season. Its very cool... the league has to be thrilled... and I'm happy for Gallant seemed like a good guy with the Habs |
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Post by blny on May 20, 2018 17:35:44 GMT -5
Congrats to Gerard Gallant and the Knights. Off the to the Finals in their first season. Its very cool... the league has to be thrilled... and I'm happy for Gallant seemed like a good guy with the Habs He's got to be grinning from ear to ear. Left us, unceremoniously fired from Florida in famous fashion, hired by GMGM, and snipes a few key pieces from the Panthers. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 18:09:24 GMT -5
So what lesson does this teach other teams? That your best chance at having a competitive team is to be a brand new franchise?
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Post by Skilly on May 20, 2018 18:36:22 GMT -5
So what lesson does this teach other teams? That your best chance at having a competitive team is to be a brand new franchise? Sure. The St Louis Blues model. They are still waiting on their first Stanley Cup though |
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