Emelin

[habmeister]

bye the way, isn't his name spelled: Yemelin?

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seventeen said:

Stuff like this warms my cockles. Tks NWT. Good stuff.

Warms your WHAT?

[NWTHabsFan]

habmeister said:

bye the way, isn't his name spelled: Yemelin?

Russian spelling and pronounciation to English spelling and pronounciation.

Best sounding is Yemelin, but spells like Emelin in English.

[NWTHabsFan]

seventeen said:

Stuff like this warms my cockles. Tks NWT. Good stuff.

I am still really confident about Emelin as his game and attitude will fit nicely into the North American game. He and O'Byrne need to get into the system sooner rather than later.

On the other hand, I no longer think Wishart is anywhere near our pick at 16, he has dropped like a bomb in many ratings and I really was un-inspired with his U-18 play which was not that impressive at all.

We will get a draft sticky going soon I hope with some guesses, draft musings and some mock draft ideas (as in the past). I am just finishing up some first thoughts on my first cut on the above.

[BadCompany]

nwthabsfan said:

On the other hand, I no longer think Wishart is anywhere near our pick at 16, he has dropped like a bomb in many ratings and I really was un-inspired with his U-18 play which was not that impressive at all.

We will get a draft sticky going soon I hope with some guesses, draft musings and some mock draft ideas (as in the past). I am just finishing up some first thoughts on my first cut on the above.

Stupid Doug Maclean REFUSES to cooperate with me! He keeps saying he isn't going to take a defenseman, and he isn't going to trade down. I have him trading down AND taking a defenseman! He's screwing up my mock draft!

[NWTHabsFan]

badcompany said:

Stupid Doug Maclean REFUSES to cooperate with me! He keeps saying he isn't going to take a defenseman, and he isn't going to trade down. I have him trading down AND taking a defenseman! He's screwing up my mock draft!

I am still trying to figure out which GM will make the leap into picking a Dman from the USHS to be the first leap off the board a bit in order to finish my first cut at the mock. Will do one shortly and then another closer to the big day.

On another note, Greg Stewart, with Peterborough Petes, was eliminated today and thus ends the last Hab/prospect standing. Only rookie camp invite Mathieu Melanson is alive with Roy's Quebec team, but that hardly cuts it as he has no technical ties. I did like Jamie Tardif's play again this season as the "C" of the Petes and it was a bit too bad that he we did not pick him last fall (story was that Hamilton offered a two way contract). I would guess that there is still room for a good two way guy with leadership like him in Hamilton in the future. Time will tell.

[PTH]

Bad news guys, it looks like Emelin/Yemelin won't be in MTL for a while, if ever.

«Nous misons sur de bons espoirs chez les gardiens, a-t-il rappelé. Nous avons aussi quelques bons attaquants. Par contre, notre meilleur espoir chez les défenseurs (Alexeï Yemelin) n'est pas disponible depuis qu'il a signé un contrat en Russie. Je pense même qu'il s'agit d'une entente de deux ans sans clause échappatoire.»

www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20060623/CPSPORTS01/60623091/1002/CPSPORTS

In short, Gainey is saying that Emelin signed a 2-year deal with no kind of an escape clause.

[NWTHabsFan]

Too bad indeed. With the general lack of defensive prospects, a guy like Emelin who had a great WJC and has performed really well against men in the RSL was one that many of us hoped to see in North America sooner rather than later. The good news is that he will only be 22 when that Russian contract runs out, so hardly over the hill. I just wanted to see him in Hamilton next season.

[Habs_fan_in_LA]

habmeister said:

bye the way, isn't his name spelled: Yemelin?

The "Y" is silent line in Angelo Yesposito.

[oldhabsfan]

[/quote]
www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20060623/CPSPORTS01/60623091/1002/CPSPORTS

In short, Gainey is saying that Emelin signed a 2-year deal with no kind of an escape clause.[/quote]

In St. Catharines, a carpet is being chewed.

I wonder how much his club would take to break that contract?

[NWTHabsFan]

Here is some more information from Russianprospects.com:

The Togliatti based Lada club locked down it’s most promising defensemen Dmitri Vorobiev (Toronto Maple Leafs) and Alexei Emelin (Montreal Canadiens) for the coming 2006-07 season by tripling their salaries. In an interview with the Soviet Sport, the team’s president had the following to say regarding the signings: “Next season these defensemen will be the core of our offense. So, our increase of their salaries was a proper step. I personally talked to the guys. They will leave Lada only if they get solid NHL invitations. Emelin was already offered a deal, but Alexei was not satisfied with the conditions of the offer.”

[cigarviper]

As far as I'm concerned the sooner these Euros can start playing in North America the better for their careers. The lack of foresight and allure of big money blurs their capability to make good decisions at a time like this. Too bad. I'm not sure how much his tripled salary is but I don't think it can compare to what his ceiling could be in the NHL once he hits his stride.

[BadCompany]

cigarviper said:

As far as I'm concerned the sooner these Euros can start playing in North America the better for their careers. The lack of foresight and allure of big money blurs their capability to make good decisions at a time like this. Too bad. I'm not sure how much his tripled salary is but I don't think it can compare to what his ceiling could be in the NHL once he hits his stride.

I'm not sure that's the case... Emelin will be making big money, AND playing in what is often regarded as the second best league in the world. I don't think that's going to hurt his development at all.

With the new CBA he can only make a maximum of $75,000 in the AHL, and what? $450,000 in the NHL? He's going to be making just as much, probably more playing at home, close to his family and all that. If he turns out to be good, the Russians will pay him, and if he turns out to be really good, Montreal (or some other NHL team) will pay him. If he turns out to be bad, well he's got that guaranteed two-year salary, at triple his current pay, to fall back on.

No-brainer decision on his part, in my opinion.

[habmeister]

badcompany said:

cigarviper said:

As far as I'm concerned the sooner these Euros can start playing in North America the better for their careers. The lack of foresight and allure of big money blurs their capability to make good decisions at a time like this. Too bad. I'm not sure how much his tripled salary is but I don't think it can compare to what his ceiling could be in the NHL once he hits his stride.

I'm not sure that's the case... Emelin will be making big money, AND playing in what is often regarded as the second best league in the world. I don't think that's going to hurt his development at all.

With the new CBA he can only make a maximum of $75,000 in the AHL, and what? $450,000 in the NHL? He's going to be making just as much, probably more playing at home, close to his family and all that. If he turns out to be good, the Russians will pay him, and if he turns out to be really good, Montreal (or some other NHL team) will pay him. If he turns out to be bad, well he's got that guaranteed two-year salary, at triple his current pay, to fall back on.

No-brainer decision on his part, in my opinion.

so basically what your saying is were letting another team pay him to develop, i love it. he'll get tons of minutes in a league that is probably better than the ahl, and he doesn't really need to learn the north american style of game, because he already plays a very nasty version of it. looking foward to seeing if he can keep his 3 pims per game stat intact this season.

[sergejean]

habmeister said:

badcompany said:

I'm not sure that's the case... Emelin will be making big money, AND playing in what is often regarded as the second best league in the world. I don't think that's going to hurt his development at all.

With the new CBA he can only make a maximum of $75,000 in the AHL, and what? $450,000 in the NHL? He's going to be making just as much, probably more playing at home, close to his family and all that. If he turns out to be good, the Russians will pay him, and if he turns out to be really good, Montreal (or some other NHL team) will pay him. If he turns out to be bad, well he's got that guaranteed two-year salary, at triple his current pay, to fall back on.

No-brainer decision on his part, in my opinion.

so basically what your saying is were letting another team pay him to develop, i love it. he'll get tons of minutes in a league that is probably better than the ahl, and he doesn't really need to learn the north american style of game, because he already plays a very nasty version of it. looking foward to seeing if he can keep his 3 pims per game stat intact this season.

Here you go! Talk about being positive... Hopefully he gets to develop all right and become Markov's partner sooner than later...

[sergejean]

Come to think of it, I hope our staff can track is progress and force GG to make an offer to the Russian team to bring him over as soon as they think he's NHL ready.

[NWTHabsFan]

Emelin's development has been on a nice steady upwards trend since the Habs drafted him, and from the sounds of his Lada coach, they are going to be counting on him in key situations as the "core of our offense". This will mean lots of ice time for our young 20 year old, all playing against men in the RSL. On a selfish note, I would much rather see him flattening folks in Copps wearing our proud colours, but will not regret if this year or two is really good for his continued development.

[Kareem]

NWThabs Fan that Habs poster was me ;D.


You also forgot an important, the Habs scout in Russia is known as being extremely hard on our Russian prospects. He was very critical of Perezhogin to the point you'd think he'd never have a good shift in the NHL.

If he's comparing him to Konstantinov, its because we probably have another gem a la Markov on our hands. Good news for everyone, now if he can just come over.

[cigarviper]

Well if he can acclimatize as well as Ovechkin has then there's no worries, but if it takes a year or two that may hinder his contribution level to the team we all love. That ain't cool.

[Anardil1]

He, like the free agents, has decided that playing in Siberia is preferable to playing in Montreal.

[Habs_fan_in_LA]

anardil1 said:

He, like the free agents, has decided that playing in Siberia is preferable to playing in Montreal.

He gets well paid in Siberia. The weather is only marginally worse than in Montreal, the press is more friendly and he doesn't have to learn French. He doesn't have to be paired with wrong way Souray and all the channels on TV are in Russian.
If he is willing to wait to come here, we can wait and survive without him until he changes his mind.

[NWTHabsFan]

habsaku said:

NWThabs Fan that Habs poster was me ;D.


You also forgot an important, the Habs scout in Russia is known as being extremely hard on our Russian prospects. He was very critical of Perezhogin to the point you'd think he'd never have a good shift in the NHL.

If he's comparing him to Konstantinov, its because we probably have another gem a la Markov on our hands. Good news for everyone, now if he can just come over.

Cool, thanks for the reminder!!

As for when he should come over, we have three core Dmen in Souray, Rivet and Markov whose contracts all expire at the end of this season. If ever there was a time for guys like Emelin and O'Byrne to change addresses and get used to playing in the Hammer within the Habs' system, this would be it. Opportunity may be there for a young defender to get some sniff of the show after this season.

It is a big jump from the RSL to North America, although Emelin does seem to be doing well at each level he plays in and plays with quite an edge already. O'Byrne is going to find playing a schedule longer than the NCAA weekend-only thing to be quite draining at first, so he will need time to adjust to keeping his game going for a season twice as long.

The final thing in these guys' favour is that Hamilton without the Edmonton connection is fairly empty in terms of defensemen, and good young prospects could get loads and loads of ice time and experience in Hamilton this upcoming season.