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Post by folatre on Apr 28, 2019 12:13:42 GMT -5
There are more than a handful of elite RFA who are probably giving their GMs sleepless nights thinking about how to fit them within the cap architecture (or in Carolina's case it is more apt to just say the organization's budgetary realities) and about scenarios such as an offer sheet surfacing on July 1.
Aho is not going to get Marner money. The Finn is a .814 ppg player whereas Marner is .929 ppg in his young career. Honestly, I would attribute that difference to Aho playing most of young career on a team that has basically struggled to score whereas the Leafs have had one of the better offenses in the league since day one of Marner's career.
There is, of course, no way that chummy Bergevin would stick to the screws to his pals in Carolina. But I would certainly have no problem giving up two first, a second and a third to grab a 22 year old superstar and badly debilitate a direct rival for a playoff position. If Montreal offer sheeted Aho with a six year/$52 million dollar contract (front loaded and almost all money due in July 1 bonuses), the cap hit for the Habs would be 8.667 per; and even more importantly, for the purposes of determining the compensation due to Carolina (52/5 = 10.4) so Montreal would stay just under new threshold that would trigger four first round picks as compensation.
I doubt this would work, however. If Carolina is worried about something happening as Aho's camp elects not to sign anything they offer in the lead up to July 1, then Dundon and Waddell would probably explore a trade that could yield more than two first, a second, and a third. Or if they are unsure what to do in the lead up to July 1, I would assume that they match the hypothetical offer that I reference, though for a small-market club this would have trickle-down effects and management there would likely be under orders to restrain expenditures elsewhere.
CH, yeah, Duchene is playing at a high level this post-season. I know that some would argue that a nice playoff experience helps the Jackets' chances of keeping him. I do not think it has much effect. In fact, it could be argued that he probably pricing himself out of a range that Columbus feels comfortable competing. Columbus is, after all, a revenue-challenged club averse to paying July 1 bonuses (they just don't do it). Also, Werenski is going to be due a mega-contract if they want to avoid bridging him and the year after PLD and Anderson will need new deals and those will be costly.
Again, I may be in minority here but I would certainly attempt to add a top line guy like Duchene if there is not chance to land Panarin. I understand that people think well the Habs are finally in good shape down the middle so why bother with a big contract for a guy who will start the deal 28 years old and end it 35 years old. There are a few reasons I would throw caution to the wind and go after him. First, he is a high end player whose career points per game is higher than anyone on the Habs (except Poehling, jeje) is the only logical kind of move when there is already an overabundance of middle six type guys. And, moreover, I think an excellent skater with a stellar track record of durability is less likely to find himself a step behind as time goes by.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 28, 2019 12:44:20 GMT -5
I don't think Carolina will have any CAP problems. What they will have is talent problems. Looking at their line-up, there are some really good, young players (Aho, Terevainen, Svechnikov) and a very solid D, but there are a rash of pluggers, guys who simply give it everything they have given the situation they are in (surprise playoff team, no expectations, us against the world mentality) and most of all, goaltending that is a huge outlier. Mrazek simply has never been that good, but has performed well above his pay grade this year.
Scenario for next year? Very much like the Devils this year. If goaltending takes any kind of step back, they'll miss the playoffs, easily. Even if it only drops a rung, they're in trouble because those fringe depth guys they have won't be able to maintain that needed effort level over 8d2 games.
Every year there's a team like Carolina. This time it's their turn.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 28, 2019 12:45:54 GMT -5
The cheap Canes are going to have to spend some money next season. Everyone talks about Marner because of the Leafs cap situation. Aho is an excellent young player outside the spotlight in Raleigh. Absolutely. Carolina will match any offer, of course, but will that ever tick off Dundon, who is the epitome of cheapness. I hope someone does it. |
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Post by folatre on Apr 28, 2019 13:00:16 GMT -5
Seventeen, exactly, Carolina is not going to face a cap crunch. But they are in the bottom five every year in revenue and they pay their GM and head coach less than half the going rate for their respective posts. I know that these playoff gates this season are helping, but I kind of doubt Dundon wants to overextend well beyond what the actual hockey revenue streams can actually cover annually.
Look, I think that they are going to try to be proactive and put a strong deal on the table as soon as their playoff run ends. In fact, I believe they would dig deep and offer him 8 years/$56 and perhaps willingly go as high as $60 million. However, I think that the only way Carolina goes above 7.5 AAV is in the event that another club offer sheets Aho.
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Post by franko on Apr 28, 2019 21:23:21 GMT -5
probably won't happen, but there's a chance that all four wild card teams advance.
way to go, small and no market teams!
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Post by Skilly on Apr 29, 2019 10:00:31 GMT -5
"Anything can happen in the playoffs" … (but I wont help you get there)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 21:50:36 GMT -5
Watching the Stars and Blues and man...Bishop does not look good in this game.
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Post by folatre on Apr 30, 2019 15:08:06 GMT -5
Dunn and Thomas looked great for the Blues last night. Man, it is hard to believe that Botterill did not get one of those guys in the O'Reilly trade. Buffalo basically accepted a pile of junk for a really good centre.
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Post by jkr on Apr 30, 2019 15:57:14 GMT -5
Dunn and Thomas looked great for the Blues last night. Man, it is hard to believe that Botterill did not get one of those guys in the O'Reilly trade. Buffalo basically accepted a pile of junk for a really good centre. And one of those guys, Berglund, walked away from Buffalo. So it's even less than originally thought. |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 30, 2019 19:52:55 GMT -5
Ref Kevin Pollock blows the whistle, then waves off a Bruin goal after the puck crosses the line.
Go to Toronto. Good goal.
How often is the "CONTINUOUS PLAY" rule called, I wonder.
As long as it gets a call right, I'm all for it. Nothing worse than being ripped off by premature cancellation.
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Post by seventeen on May 1, 2019 0:10:15 GMT -5
They got a rise out of you, did they?
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Post by Willie Dog on May 1, 2019 5:26:11 GMT -5
Ref Kevin Pollock blows the whistle, then waves off a Bruin goal after the puck crosses the line. Go to Toronto. Good goal. How often is the "CONTINUOUS PLAY" rule called, I wonder. As long as it gets a call right, I'm all for it. Nothing worse than being ripped off by premature cancellation. Wow, Bruins got the benefit if the doubt from NHL offices, shocking. That officiating in the 1st period was atrocious, Chara is throwing headshots with impunity, and as usual, if a Bruin gets hit they try to attack... the issue is CBJ are a bigger team and hit back. |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 1, 2019 5:28:50 GMT -5
It would be best for the NHL to have CBJ come out of the east, a team that's never been to the finals, a smaller market team, a non traditional hockey market and a team that went all in at the deadline...
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Post by franko on May 1, 2019 5:51:24 GMT -5
It would be best for the NHL to have CBJ come out of the east, a team that's never been to the finals, a smaller market team, a non traditional hockey market and a team that went all in at the deadline... disagree. it's terrible for the NHL. they need veiwers, and big-market teams have viewers. CBJ will be an interesting story for die-hard NHL/hockey fans, but the occasional viewer in NYC will say meh and find something else to do. |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 1, 2019 6:30:55 GMT -5
It would be best for the NHL to have CBJ come out of the east, a team that's never been to the finals, a smaller market team, a non traditional hockey market and a team that went all in at the deadline... disagree. it's terrible for the NHL. they need veiwers, and big-market teams have viewers. CBJ will be an interesting story for die-hard NHL/hockey fans, but the occasional viewer in NYC will say meh and find something else to do. Who is left that is a big market team? Boston, Dallas... Also the occasional viewer in NYC will only watch if the Rags are in, I dont think they care if LA or Chicago are in |
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Post by jkr on May 1, 2019 6:59:09 GMT -5
Ref Kevin Pollock blows the whistle, then waves off a Bruin goal after the puck crosses the line. Go to Toronto. Good goal. How often is the "CONTINUOUS PLAY" rule called, I wonder. As long as it gets a call right, I'm all for it. Nothing worse than being ripped off by premature cancellation. Wow, Bruins got the benefit if the doubt from NHL offices, shocking. That officiating in the 1st period was atrocious, Chara is throwing headshots with impunity, and as usual, if a Bruin gets hit they try to attack... the issue is CBJ are a bigger team and hit back. Plus Marchand, being the chickensh!t he is, punches someone in the back of the head in the final minute. No call. He was in the box however, for the winner.  |
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Post by franko on May 1, 2019 7:15:17 GMT -5
disagree. it's terrible for the NHL. they need veiwers, and big-market teams have viewers. CBJ will be an interesting story for die-hard NHL/hockey fans, but the occasional viewer in NYC will say meh and find something else to do. Who is left that is a big market team? Boston, Dallas... Also the occasional viewer in NYC will only watch if the Rags are in, I dont think they care if LA or Chicago are in nah, I meant overall. Buttman will put a brave face on about the underdogs and "anybody can win", but he'd much rather a NYR/LA final than CBJ/COL. There are more sports fans in NY that will tune in (ad revenue) than in Ohio! I'd say the hope is Bos/SJ |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 1, 2019 7:36:05 GMT -5
Who is left that is a big market team? Boston, Dallas... Also the occasional viewer in NYC will only watch if the Rags are in, I dont think they care if LA or Chicago are in nah, I meant overall. Buttman will put a brave face on about the underdogs and "anybody can win", but he'd much rather a NYR/LA final than CBJ/COL. I agree, he's just like the character in Bon Cop Bad Cop You would think I agree, a cross country as opposed to a CBJ v Blues |
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Post by seventeen on May 1, 2019 13:33:58 GMT -5
I would have preferred an all Canadian final, (except that would involve the Leafs this year), just to spite Bettman. He is a truly evil person. The pushback on the concussion issue leaves no doubt he has no conscience. Instead of convincing the owners they should just pay up (which should be the cheaper solution in the long run), he's fighting it tooth and nail (perhaps on the direction of Jacobs et al). Nonetheless, I hope the courts grant the players a Billion dollar settlement and charge Jacobs with half of it.
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Post by Willie Dog on May 1, 2019 14:15:27 GMT -5
I would have preferred an all Canadian final, (except that would involve the Leafs this year), just to spite Bettman. He is a truly evil person. The pushback on the concussion issue leaves no doubt he has no conscience. Instead of convincing the owners they should just pay up (which should be the cheaper solution in the long run), he's fighting it tooth and nail (perhaps on the direction of Jacobs et al). Nonetheless, I hope the courts grant the players a Billion dollar settlement and charge Jacobs with half of it. Jacobs is as cheap as they come, he'd give Ballard a run for his money. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on May 1, 2019 18:34:02 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind a San Jose-Columbus final. I've always liked the Sharks, and it's been a solid market for the NHL. Pretty dedicated fan base and in the Bay Area, but separate enough that it doesn't compete head on with the SF teams. I also think Columbus was a good market to grow into - part of the Midwest so0 there are built in geographic rivals, but without any direct NBA competition to take viewers.
Of course the league would love to see big markets in the Finals in the short run, but in the long run you are trying to broaden the national viewer base. Hockey isn't going to get any more popular in New York or Boston, but it can get more popular in places like Ohio, Northern CA, Las Vegas and Seattle down the road. The reason the NHL is the weak stepchild in terms of media contracts is because the viewership is concentrated among a few markets. If Columbus getting to the Finals brings in a few thousand new fans to the team and the sport, then that's a great outcome for the NHL. It may not show up in the TV ratings, but it will help down the road.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 21:27:04 GMT -5
I would have preferred an all Canadian final, (except that would involve the Leafs this year), just to spite Bettman. He is a truly evil person. The pushback on the concussion issue leaves no doubt he has no conscience. Instead of convincing the owners they should just pay up (which should be the cheaper solution in the long run), he's fighting it tooth and nail (perhaps on the direction of Jacobs et al). Nonetheless, I hope the courts grant the players a Billion dollar settlement and charge Jacobs with half of it. God, I saw that comment earlier. What a stupid thing for him to say. |
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Post by blny on May 2, 2019 5:29:22 GMT -5
I would have preferred an all Canadian final, (except that would involve the Leafs this year), just to spite Bettman. He is a truly evil person. The pushback on the concussion issue leaves no doubt he has no conscience. Instead of convincing the owners they should just pay up (which should be the cheaper solution in the long run), he's fighting it tooth and nail (perhaps on the direction of Jacobs et al). Nonetheless, I hope the courts grant the players a Billion dollar settlement and charge Jacobs with half of it. God, I saw that comment earlier. What a stupid thing for him to say. It's veiled language (at least in part, imo) that the league's stance is they won't officially ban fighting. You can't make all hits to the head illegal and then allow fighting. If the NFL can attempt to remove head shots from their game, so can the NHL. The only difference between the two is that the NHL condones fighting. In the end, the only way change will happen is through force. And that force has to come from a fully engaged union. If the union were behind the former players involved in the attempted class-action suit it would have been a lot harder for the league to decertify. The NHLPA is entirely complicit afaic. |
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Post by blny on May 2, 2019 5:31:08 GMT -5
As for the playoffs ... whatever mojo the Islanders had during the Pens series is completely gone. They were off for a week, waiting for the Canes, and it's completely sapped them.
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Post by CentreHice on May 2, 2019 7:56:00 GMT -5
As for the playoffs ... whatever mojo the Islanders had during the Pens series is completely gone. They were off for a week, waiting for the Canes, and it's completely sapped them. Ain't that the truth! Whereas the Blue Jackets maintained that level after their 1st round sweep. Carolina though....ugh. |
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Post by Polarice on May 2, 2019 9:06:39 GMT -5
I would have preferred an all Canadian final, (except that would involve the Leafs this year), just to spite Bettman. He is a truly evil person. The pushback on the concussion issue leaves no doubt he has no conscience. Instead of convincing the owners they should just pay up (which should be the cheaper solution in the long run), he's fighting it tooth and nail (perhaps on the direction of Jacobs et al). Nonetheless, I hope the courts grant the players a Billion dollar settlement and charge Jacobs with half of it. I feel for the players of yesterday....not knowing the affects concussions was having on them. But for players from 2000 on, I have no sympathy for. They knew the risks and still continued to play, even today players refuse to admit that there are issues. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 2, 2019 13:17:07 GMT -5
I would have preferred an all Canadian final, (except that would involve the Leafs this year), just to spite Bettman. He is a truly evil person. The pushback on the concussion issue leaves no doubt he has no conscience. Instead of convincing the owners they should just pay up (which should be the cheaper solution in the long run), he's fighting it tooth and nail (perhaps on the direction of Jacobs et al). Nonetheless, I hope the courts grant the players a Billion dollar settlement and charge Jacobs with half of it. is merely the front guy/talking head for the NHL Board of Governors ... from what I've read, they run the league, not Bettman ... if there are any changes to the league whatsoever, they have a say in it ... if it involves changing rules or standards I understand the NHLPA also has a say, too ... see " what does the NHLPA do?" (conditions of employment) ... if this is so, then I suspect both the NHL BoG and the NHLPA may be online with his comments ... Cheers. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on May 3, 2019 11:02:53 GMT -5
I'm scared the path for the Bruins is wide open all the way to a championship. Toronto was their toughest matchup.
Now that they are tied 2-2 with Columbus, I think the Bruins will find a way from here. On the other side, it looks like Carolina will pull another upset but I always thought the Islanders were nothing to worry about.
Out west, it's pretty thin. If the Sharks can get Pavelski back I think they are the best team, but Martin Jones is going to need to stay at a high level for them to have a chance.
I gotta say the list of goalies left in the tournament is as unimpressive as I can remember. You have Rask and Bobrovsky, and then it's stiffs like Martin Jones, Peter Mrazek, Philip Grubauer, Robin Lehner, Curtis McElhinny, Ben Bishop, and Jordan Binnington. Huh? I know Bishop and Lehner had solid years but half the goalies left are pretty much scrubs.
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Post by CentreHice on May 3, 2019 11:33:50 GMT -5
Many of those goalies have been hot at the right time. I've seen superb goaltending from all of them in these playoffs.
Binnington's up for the Calder.
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Post by Boston_Habs on May 3, 2019 14:44:39 GMT -5
Many of those goalies have been hot at the right time. I've seen superb goaltending from all of them in these playoffs. No doubt. Tell me why we need a $10 million a year goalie again? |
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