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Post by jkr on Nov 28, 2019 13:45:08 GMT -5
True but Green is a youngish (48) coach that is only in his 3rd season & Benning has been their GM since 2014, so he is around that 5 year period where I would begin to expect good results.
Petterson is an elite talent & Boeser is on pace for 30 goals. I don't think many people would say their development is being stunted.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Nov 28, 2019 15:23:21 GMT -5
True but Green is a youngish (48) coach that is only in his 3rd season & Benning has been their GM since 2014, so he is around that 5 year period where I would begin to expect good results. Petterson is an elite talent & Boeser is on pace for 30 goals. I don't think many people would say their development is being stunted. It was only meant as light sarcasm but I don't feel that age is a factor in a good coach if he is able to adapt to how the game changes, technically speaking but Bergevin is now in year three of his "retool/rebuild", although not elite talent Montreal has some vey good young prospects in Suzuki, Mete, Domi and Flurey playing in the NHL and after how well Kotkanemi played last year some may have thought he should be a 30 goal 2nd line centre this year. The point was really just how high we as fans set the bar for the Habs compared to other teams, regardless of age and experience. When they don't reach the fans lofty goals well it must be because of poor coaching and management. The Leafs lost 5 in a row, Dallas started 1-7-1, Tampa are still not in a playoff spot and some very good teams have had awful games. Montreal really isn't in the talent pool compared to Toronto, Dallas or Tampa but some fan expectations are they should be as good or better every night. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Nov 28, 2019 16:24:02 GMT -5
That's not necessarily true. I do however expect Kotkanemi to be minimum playing on the second line every night. It's called being put into position to succeed. Peterrson is playing first line minutes.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 28, 2019 17:05:52 GMT -5
Berg and Molson are both on record this past off-season as saying we have a young team with a bright future--developing toward making some real noise in the next 3-8 years.
The message to the fans is to lower our expectations and be happy with baby steps....like last year.
As Berg said at his post-season presser:
"I think if I’m a fan, and maybe I’m wrong, but the Montreal Canadiens this year — again, forget about not making the playoffs, it’s there, we know that. But as a fan, I think we gave them a pretty good run. I think it was fun to watch. Our scouts, when they were talking to other scouts, they said: ‘You guys have a fast team, fun to watch, heading in the right direction.’ Based on what I saw this year, that’s what we gave our fans.”
Compared to the disastrous 2017-18 season, yeah, we were better. It would've been difficult to have been worse than 71 pts. What role did Berg/Therrien/Julien play in that core's disgruntlement? Not addressed. Always on the players. Out they go and in comes "youth, energy, better attitude".
We shall see if the future is indeed bright...or if another core sours for some reason.
As Skilly has said many times: progress is neither certain nor linear.
I've got 2021-22 circled as the year this core becomes perennial contenders....which means we should grab one of the wildcard spots this year, and have a Top 3 finish in 2020-21.
The cynic in me says such rhetoric is simply selling hope to buy time.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 29, 2019 1:27:57 GMT -5
There’s no defensive discipline at all. That’s partly effort but mostly mental discipline. Be where you need to be, have your stick in the right place, be thinking of transition and back check hard. The players have lost interest in doing those things and that’s difficult to turn around. The trust is missing. Usually that’s a coaching issue but I think in this case the problem is higher up the food chain.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 1, 2019 9:54:27 GMT -5
I watched the Oilers flames game last night, what an entertaining game... Kassian is playing very well for the oil, he's on a line with McDavid, so that helps.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 1, 2019 18:05:17 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Dec 2, 2019 18:35:32 GMT -5
Call it what you will, piling on, but Chelios was on Spittin' Chiclets recently. He was asked about his time in Detroit with Babcock. He related a story about losing in the playoffs to Nashville and Babs laying into Franzen on the bench. It's not good.
We know this behavior isn't/wasn't isolated to Babcock. But, with Cherry, and Babs, and Peters, and the conversations started on Saturday night with Bieksa and Kennedy, the floodgates are opened. More of this stuff is going to get unloaded and out in the open. More coaches that aspire to the vinegar over honey style are going to get purged. Today's player won't suffer it.
Among the tools utilized by the modern player is sports psychology. These elite, young, athletes are getting support from these professionals from a young age. Their eyes are opened to the fact that it's not okay. What was accepted as being "part of pro sports" is not anymore. MacLean and his first intermission panel on Saturday touched on it. The traditional locker room environment was what it was and it was accepted that it was different than any other working environment and par for the course. It might still be in some locker rooms, depending on management, but it's going away.
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Post by jkr on Dec 2, 2019 18:53:28 GMT -5
Call it what you will, piling on, but Chelios was on Spittin' Chiclets recently. He was asked about his time in Detroit with Babcock. He related a story about losing in the playoffs to Nashville and Babs laying into Franzen on the bench. It's not good. We know this behavior isn't/wasn't isolated to Babcock. But, with Cherry, and Babs, and Peters, and the conversations started on Saturday night with Bieksa and Kennedy, the floodgates are opened. More of this stuff is going to get unloaded and out in the open. More coaches that aspire to the vinegar over honey style are going to get purged. Today's player won't suffer it. Among the tools utilized by the modern player is sports psychology. These elite, young, athletes are getting support from these professionals from a young age. Their eyes are opened to the fact that it's not okay. What was accepted as being "part of pro sports" is not anymore. MacLean and his first intermission panel on Saturday touched on it. The traditional locker room environment was what it was and it was accepted that it was different than any other working environment and par for the course. It might still be in some locker rooms, depending on management, but it's going away. I recall a story about Franzen & some mental health aissues. I think he was dealing with social anxiety, IIRC. I guess playing for Babcock didn't help. Shanahan knew what he was getting when he hired him. I wonder why he thought it would work for a team that was projected to be on the younger side. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 2, 2019 19:52:40 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Dec 2, 2019 19:55:05 GMT -5
Devils are experiencing a nightmare start in Buffalo. After 1 period it's 5-0 Sabres. Dominguez has been awful in goal.
The Sabres are wearing their 50th anniversary jerseys - white with blue & gold. IMO, they are one of the nice uniforms in the league.
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Post by folatre on Dec 2, 2019 20:11:05 GMT -5
The Devils may petition the league to play the Habs ten times a season. With those twenty points in their pocket they might crawl toward the playoff bubble.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 2, 2019 21:58:21 GMT -5
I need help. Theres a tweet from Ryan Hana about quotes from Johan Franzen about Babcock and I can't link the tweet to HabsRus. I used to know how, but Twitter has chenged the process (to make it easier, obviously), except that now I select embedding the tweet, get taken to a window where I copy it, then I try to embed it here using the arrows in the top right next to the smiley face and all I get is a blank post.
Any suggestions? Thanks.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 2, 2019 22:03:31 GMT -5
The Devils may petition the league to play the Habs ten times a season. With those twenty points in their pocket they might crawl toward the playoff bubble. A Buffalo winger came down the left wing at a bad angle, took a wrist shot on Domingue. He blocked it with his blocker, straight up in the air and it fell behind him into the net. Every other Devil on the ice did their job perfectly and they end up with a minus. That must be a depressing team to play on. |
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Post by franko on Dec 2, 2019 22:12:25 GMT -5
I need help. Theres a tweet from Ryan Hana about quotes from Johan Franzen about Babcock and I can't link the tweet to HabsRus. I used to know how, but Twitter has chenged the process (to make it easier, obviously), except that now I select embedding the tweet, get taken to a window where I copy it, then I try to embed it here using the arrows in the top right next to the smiley face and all I get is a blank post. Any suggestions? Thanks. hit the embed tweet button, scroll up on the new page, copy the link under "what would you like to publish", and come back here and do what you've been doing. or use this formula, inserting the link between the quotes. the block quote thing is for a web page/ |
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Post by blny on Dec 3, 2019 7:35:08 GMT -5
Call it what you will, piling on, but Chelios was on Spittin' Chiclets recently. He was asked about his time in Detroit with Babcock. He related a story about losing in the playoffs to Nashville and Babs laying into Franzen on the bench. It's not good. We know this behavior isn't/wasn't isolated to Babcock. But, with Cherry, and Babs, and Peters, and the conversations started on Saturday night with Bieksa and Kennedy, the floodgates are opened. More of this stuff is going to get unloaded and out in the open. More coaches that aspire to the vinegar over honey style are going to get purged. Today's player won't suffer it. Among the tools utilized by the modern player is sports psychology. These elite, young, athletes are getting support from these professionals from a young age. Their eyes are opened to the fact that it's not okay. What was accepted as being "part of pro sports" is not anymore. MacLean and his first intermission panel on Saturday touched on it. The traditional locker room environment was what it was and it was accepted that it was different than any other working environment and par for the course. It might still be in some locker rooms, depending on management, but it's going away. I recall a story about Franzen & some mental health aissues. I think he was dealing with social anxiety, IIRC. I guess playing for Babcock didn't help. Shanahan knew what he was getting when he hired him. I wonder why he thought it would work for a team that was projected to be on the younger side. Chelios discussed Franzen having a mental breakdown on the bench as a result of the verbal assault from Babs. Franzen had a lot of concussions during his career, and have been linked to his mental health issues. Agreed on those Sabres uniforms. They're great. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Dec 3, 2019 12:13:14 GMT -5
That Jets' defense takes another hit after getting gutted over the summer and with the Big Buff situation still in limbo.
Ouch.
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Post by blny on Dec 3, 2019 13:25:15 GMT -5
That Jets' defense takes another hit after getting gutted over the summer and with the Big Buff situation still in limbo. Ouch. Chiarot for Ehlers! |
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Post by Tankdriver on Dec 3, 2019 14:39:36 GMT -5
That Jets' defense takes another hit after getting gutted over the summer and with the Big Buff situation still in limbo. Ouch. Chiarot for Ehlers! Weber or Petry for Laine? |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 3, 2019 15:18:48 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Dec 3, 2019 15:45:01 GMT -5
Shanahan's last season in Detroit was 2005/06, that was Babcock 1st year in Detroit. Didn't he have a sense of Babcock's temperament then? If so, why hire someone like that.
He didn't become a jerk when he got to Toronto. It had to be there and apparent to those who knew him all along.
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Post by blny on Dec 3, 2019 15:47:04 GMT -5
Weber or Petry for Laine? In keeping with my post, Petry.  |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Dec 3, 2019 16:39:55 GMT -5
I guess only being able to beat the Habs only buys you so much time.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 4, 2019 6:11:12 GMT -5
In pictures I've seen doesn't Nassredeine look like Matthew Schneider
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 4, 2019 21:30:59 GMT -5
Leafs lose to the Avalanche wooohooo
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 4, 2019 21:43:01 GMT -5
Leafs lose to the Avalanche wooohooo Thought that was a pretty good game, yes ... Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 4, 2019 21:49:59 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 4, 2019 21:58:15 GMT -5
I have to watch the Oilers play more often... Nurse is gonna be a great D, McDavid does some amazing things... just sooooo smooth... he is generational
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 5, 2019 12:49:17 GMT -5
... wonder what the problem is here ... ... GP29 G8 A7 Pts15 PIM30 * (all minors) ... |
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Post by blny on Dec 5, 2019 13:17:19 GMT -5
... wonder what the problem is here ... ... GP29 G8 A7 Pts15 PIM30 * (all minors) ... 3rd leading scorer on a team that can't score. Clearly something going on. Perhaps he vented, or did something the coaches didn't like. The 30 minutes is sort of on par for him. He takes his share of minors. |
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