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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 11, 2019 11:01:07 GMT -5
Good morning, fellas
The purpose of this thread is to consolidate all of the references to Marc Bergevin/Geoff Molson which has seemed to have entered in the vast majority of threads on the main page ... what I did was do a "CTL-F" for "Bergevin", "Berg", "GM", "Molson" on ~ 12 threads on the main page and almost all of the threads, excluding a very few, have some sort of derogatory reference to either Bergevin or Molson ... that said, I'd go as far to say that the prevailing community paradigm is more about Bergevin and Molson than it is about our team ... CH did this by creating a PK Subban thread and while we had the odd reference outside of the thread, I thought it worked very well ... I'm hoping we can accomplish the same thing with a Berg/Molson thread ... thanks, fellas ...
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Dec 11, 2019 11:11:25 GMT -5
Good morning, fellas The purpose of this thread is to consolidate all of the references to Marc Bergevin/ Geoff Molson which has seemed to have entered in the vast majority of threads on the main page ... what I did was do a "CTL-F" for "Bergevin", "Berg", "GM", "Molson" on ~ 12 threads on the main page and almost all of the threads, excluding a very few, have some sort of derogatory reference to either Bergevin or Molson ... that said, I'd go as far to say that the prevailing community paradigm is more about Bergevin and Molson than it is about our team ... CH did this by creating a PK Subban thread and while we had the odd reference outside of the thread, I thought it worked very well ... I'm hoping we can accomplish the same thing with a Berg/Molson thread ... thanks, fellas ... Dis Surprise! Bergevin is incompetent and Molson, President of Montreal Canadiens hockey operations, Arena, Entertainment Events, Condos 1 2 and 3, food services and Molson COORS Brewery is stretched too thin and isn’t doing a good job in either language,
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 11, 2019 11:22:55 GMT -5
Good idea Rick.. all the vitriol in one place 😁.
Ultimately this falls on Molson, how successful or dismal this team is over the long term is on him.
Everything else falls on MB, his decisions or lack of decisions determine how this team does year over year.
MB needs to go, which most likely means a new coach will come in and some players will be moved out.
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Post by clear observer on Dec 11, 2019 14:13:54 GMT -5
I approve this message.
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Post by jkr on Dec 11, 2019 14:50:24 GMT -5
When I saw the title I thought it was referring to a discussion between Molson & Bergevin. Somewhere along the lines of - Marc - you're fired!.
Oh well.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 11, 2019 15:17:06 GMT -5
When I saw the title I thought it was referring to a discussion between Molson & Bergevin. Somewhere along the lines of - Marc - you're fired!. Oh well. lol... Hope springs eternal!
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 11, 2019 18:33:36 GMT -5
Great idea, Dis.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Dec 12, 2019 15:20:09 GMT -5
Five year plan ended, no cup, no improvement, regression. Worst year ever! No firing, make him fix it. Missed the playoffs again. No firing. 8 consecutive losses, 80 year record. No firing. Can’t think of anything that would lead to Molson firing Bergevin!
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Post by UberCranky on Dec 12, 2019 16:35:05 GMT -5
I despise The Ebola Duo for what they have done to our Habs, whether it be in this thread, another thread, another site....or anywhere in the known and unknown universe.
There...i said it....now I feel better....
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Dec 12, 2019 20:58:35 GMT -5
I despise The Ebola Duo for what they have done to our Habs, whether it be in this thread, another thread, another site....or anywhere in the known and unknown universe. There...i said it....now I feel better.... What's wrong with Canadiens. Can't you just impeach Molson and Bergevin?
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Post by Skilly on Dec 14, 2019 12:35:58 GMT -5
Unfortunately, impeachment doesn't mean removal, when you have people with no backbone surrounding you
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Post by seventeen on Dec 14, 2019 15:19:18 GMT -5
I despise The Ebola Duo for what they have done to our Habs, whether it be in this thread, another thread, another site....or anywhere in the known and unknown universe. There...i said it....now I feel better.... What's wrong with Canadiens. Can't you just impeach Molson and Bergevin? Could we at least impear them?
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Post by UberCranky on Dec 14, 2019 16:53:13 GMT -5
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Post by UberCranky on Dec 14, 2019 17:19:26 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 14, 2019 21:58:55 GMT -5
Poehling didn't play last night for the rocket but was sent down... why? Can someone tell me?
I think its money saving... keeping Geoffey happy...
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Post by folatre on Dec 14, 2019 22:32:41 GMT -5
Management is masterful at ambiguity. No one in the media or among the fan base has any idea what constitutes meeting hockey expectations.
Having said that, watching the Sens, Devils, and Wings waltz in and out of the Bell Centre with 11 of 12 points provides some measure of clarity to management that there is nothing to do here except sit and wait. If somehow the Habs are there on the cusp of the playoffs in five weeks, then try to be aggressive and bring in some help of some kind. However, the likelier scenario by second or third week of January is that Montreal will be sitting 11th or 12th in the conference about eight points out of playoff spot. And in this event, one would hope that this organization finally picks a direction and moves in it.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 15, 2019 0:41:23 GMT -5
I don’t think so folatre. In another thread discussing injuries and key players, those in the Habs who fit that description are Price, Weber, Petry, Danault and Gallagher. Those are most of our oldest players. It makes so much sense for the team to move those guys, but they’re also Berg’s favourites. Can’t see him trading any of the 5 which makes Berg’s decision for him.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 15, 2019 9:41:00 GMT -5
Berg has a built in excuse... injuries.. theyll miss the playoffs and MB gets another year to make geoffey more money
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Post by habsorbed on Dec 15, 2019 12:24:49 GMT -5
Berg has a built in excuse... injuries.. theyll miss the playoffs and MB gets another year to make geoffey more money It would be a fallacious excuse. Most teams have injuries (see Pitt, Bruins). And maybe you can use an excuse after one or two years. But after 7 or 8 seasons, one sees a pattern. And it is a pattern of ineptitude.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 15, 2019 13:30:04 GMT -5
Berg has a built in excuse... injuries.. theyll miss the playoffs and MB gets another year to make geoffey more money It would be a fallacious excuse. Most teams have injuries (see Pitt, Bruins). And maybe you can use an excuse after one or two years. But after 7 or 8 seasons, one sees a pattern. And it is a pattern of ineptitude. You wont get an arguement out of me but MB isnt going anywhere until his contract expires... I dont think CJ is going anywhere either. If CJ came in and we went to the finals GM might be willing to pay out a contract but CJ came in and nothing changed... so why should GM pay out anything if the change results in the same old same old
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 15, 2019 13:41:15 GMT -5
It always comes down to the same question: Are there competent candidates in our GM pool? If not, why bother?
So frustrating...waiting for the next Pollock/Bowman-type duo.
Forget Selke. One of the greatest management minds in our history wouldn't even get an interview today.
Would it be time--whenever Berg is let go--to give the keys to Patrick Roy? How about Roy as POHO a la Shanahan? Then Roy scouts for a new GM.
Molson would have to step aside, though...would he be willing to do that?
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Post by frozone on Dec 15, 2019 14:23:08 GMT -5
It always comes down to the same question: Are there competent candidates in our GM pool? If not, why bother? So frustrating...waiting for the next Pollock/Bowman-type duo. Forget Selke. One of the greatest management minds in our history wouldn't even get an interview today. Would it be time--whenever Berg is let go--to give the keys to Patrick Roy? How about Roy as POHO a la Shanahan? Then Roy scouts for a new GM. Molson would have to step aside, though...would he be willing to do that? Any management structure that features Roy in any capacity is built to fail pretty quickly imo. The man has high expectations, which is good... but he has no patience and doesn't know boundaries. Maybe he can give us a winning season, but things will fall apart quickly with him. However, following your line of thinking, I think Brodeur could be excellent in the POHO role. He's a winner, has high expectations, and knows the game. Plus, he's proven now that he can be a front office guy.
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Post by folatre on Dec 15, 2019 14:31:04 GMT -5
Brodeur interests me, Roy less so for the reasons you outlined fro.
I doubt that Molson would relieve himself of the President role, but Brodeur at this point has as much front office experience as Bergevin did when he got the job. Brodeur was Assistant GM under Armstrong in St. Louis and now he more on the commercial side of things there in New Jersey under Shero.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 15, 2019 15:43:03 GMT -5
Brodeur would appear to be the best of a limited number of applicants. That in itself is sad. Id be concerned about how tied in he is to the 'old boys' network. If he's open to new ideas, great, but I'm tired of guys like Bergevin who are locked in to what worked 20 years ago.
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Post by HFTO on Dec 16, 2019 18:34:31 GMT -5
Does anybody want hear another thing come out of MB’s mouth ...I can’t stand listening to him why is he always talking about what other teams do or don’t do!!! Nobody cares what we do care about is the Canadiens whom just keep regressing ......Hey Molson loves it he has the third highest revenue team and they are 10% under the cap .....brilliant! No playoffs again boys.....that’s not so brilliant😡
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Post by habsask on Dec 16, 2019 18:50:30 GMT -5
I say you've got it old boy. Now if somebody would start putting up billboards all over Montreal with that picture on it - big ones - who knows what might happen.
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Post by UberCranky on Dec 16, 2019 19:36:10 GMT -5
Berg has a built in excuse... injuries.. theyll miss the playoffs and MB gets another year to make geoffey more money You mean Goofy? As in Goofy and his money fetching doggy called Pluto? Can't be serious about the Habs anymore....because there is NOTHING to be serious about. Mol$on pays lip service to winning and about the ONLY thing he cares is that there is no serious blowback. Like a silly thing called boycott that would devastate the Habs value. Meanwhile Bbinzz has no intent of doing anything but keeping the bosses profit margins by adding another several million a year to the bottom line. Ummmm...I mean "reserve for last minute acquisitions". (Seriously, how long can he sell this "reserve" cr@p? Is three years of several million not skywriting that it's about MORE PROFITS?) Pffft.....life goes on in the real world......
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Post by UberCranky on Dec 16, 2019 19:44:31 GMT -5
I say you've got it old boy. Now if somebody would start putting up billboards all over Montreal with that picture on it - big ones - who knows what might happen. Are you serious? The new generation of Hab fans have no idea what it feels like to have a team that rather eat nails then lose. And you expect them to boycott or stick billboard signs? Really? As long as they are fed "hope", the're good. As far as Mil$on is concerned, he wants us old timers to disappear and stop complaining about turning the Habs into mediocre flotsam. As far as Bbinz in concerned, he needs to keep the boss happy and make him money. That's it. No one else will hire him based on the language issue and certainly not based on his "building a winner".
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Post by Boston_Habs on Dec 17, 2019 11:13:54 GMT -5
Other GMs have been fired for far less damage or lack of success that Bergevin has delivered. Heck, Geoff Molson hired and fired Pierre Gauthier after about 2 years and Goat actually did a decent job with what he had to work with.
I don’t know where the seemingly limitless patience comes from. I feel like he’s too joined at the hip with Berg. Maybe there should be a team president in between like Shanahan or Neely.
Either way there needs to be a refresh and a new point of view. Berg has done some decent moves recently with trades and draft picks but I don’t have confidence he can put it all together.
I would have made a run at Julien Brisebois in Tampa or even Lou Lamoriello before he went to the Islanders. That and moving on from Julien, but I feel between Ducharme and Bouchard we have some decent options.
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Post by folatre on Dec 17, 2019 11:24:35 GMT -5
Bergevin said some obvious things that are hard to dispute. I agree with his assessment that given where Montreal stands now there is no player available in the market who would guarantee the Habs make the playoffs. I also agree with the draft and develop path to building a winner, in particular since Bergevin has proved unable to sell his vision to high end UFAs.
However, Bergevin said some things that seem contradictory. He said Price, Weber, and Petry are huge parts of the long term future. By the time Seattle is playing in the league, Weber will be 36 years old, Price 34 and Petry 33. I am not saying they will be bad NHL players in two years time, but it reasons that they will be less impactful than they are now. And management should keep in mind that this veteran core does not include enough real difference-makers to even drag their mates into the playoffs (this would be three consecutive seasons with no post season). Why, then, is imperative to keep the whole gang together? Change is normal.
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