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Post by UberCranky on Sept 16, 2020 13:51:06 GMT -5
Mol$on answers were Executive Media Handling 101. Say nothing controversial and don't get trapped.
He's going to make a great future politician....lots of hot air.
Meanwhile....he's got nothing, zippo, nada as a plan to bring us closer to a cup.
Nothing changes....
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Post by seventeen on Sept 16, 2020 15:10:34 GMT -5
Completely forgot....mea culpa. Thanks for saving us the time of translation, Mike. It's great having guys contribute in these ways that make it easier for the rest of us just to spout (me at least, )
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Post by seventeen on Sept 16, 2020 15:19:00 GMT -5
I'd be a little careful with reading too much into a summary of a translation. Bergevin's actual words were "prudence". So basically he was saying they should be careful with the cap. (it's right at the beginning of the second link) My apologies if the wording wasn't quite right. I have heard him use that same phrase before, though, being smart about things. In English. In my previous career, separating truth from b.s. was a part of my job. Those red flags that have come up in the past for me, seem to materialize around Mr. Bergevin too often. Combining that with his record has made me quite critical of him, perhaps even at times when it isn't warranted. He's not always wrong. I am convinced, however, that he isn't good enough to lead us to the SC.
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 16, 2020 16:43:59 GMT -5
RE: Julien. In mikeg's notes, Bergevin mentioned that Julien's continuation behind the bench is, understandably, pending. If he calls it a career, is it a given that Ducharme gets the nod? I presume yes....but it's 2020.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 24, 2020 18:17:08 GMT -5
Mol$on answers were Executive Media Handling 101. Say nothing controversial and don't get trapped. He's going to make a great future politician....lots of hot air. Meanwhile....he's got nothing, zippo, nada as a plan to bring us closer to a cup. Nothing changes.... Getting excited about our kids. Suzuki had 41 points and KK had 8. Tampa bay has real talent, not kids with one or zero decent years under their belt. Maybe the next eight year plan will be better?
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 26, 2020 5:35:26 GMT -5
Brian Burke singing the Bergevin praise during last nights intermission.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 26, 2020 13:55:50 GMT -5
Must have missed the standings the last 5 years.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 26, 2020 22:47:13 GMT -5
Must have missed the standings the last 5 years. Burke has been out of touch for a while... he should go back to selling hot dogs...
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 29, 2020 14:07:44 GMT -5
Just listened to Marc Bergevin and Tony Marinaro. Glad Marc is the GM and not Tony. Marc played excellent defense and handled himself well. He can defend his actions, moves and trades. His biggest problem is the results. After 8 years we are not better. We are worse than we were when he took over. Of course we can point out mistakes made but in 8 years we expect some mistakes. Bergevin wants to win, its hard, things haven’t worked out. Bergevin is smart, prudent and capable. We need better than capable.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 29, 2020 14:24:31 GMT -5
Just listened to Marc Bergevin and Tony Marinaro. Glad Marc is the GM and not Tony. Marc played excellent defense and handled himself well. He can defend his actions, moves and trades. His biggest problem is the results. After 8 years we are not better. We are worse than we were when he took over. Of course we can point out mistakes made but in 8 years we expect some mistakes. Bergevin wants to win, its hard, things haven’t worked out. Bergevin is smart, prudent and capable. We need better than capable. Marinaro is worse than useless...
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Post by jkr on Sept 29, 2020 15:03:37 GMT -5
Did Marinaro challenge him or just lob softballs so Bergevin would come back to the show?
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 29, 2020 15:34:43 GMT -5
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Post by UberCranky on Sept 29, 2020 16:24:32 GMT -5
Bbinz would NEVER submit to HabsRus torture. He would need a bucket of happy pills just to stand up to the scrutiny, never mind answer tough questions. A looong time ago, I was in contact with a Molson (or so they claimed to be but impossible to verify. It was the Gainey was hired thing and insider information). He had no intent on getting in here because it's not a "crayon" fan site.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 29, 2020 17:50:07 GMT -5
Bbinz would NEVER submit to HabsRus torture. He would need a bucket of happy pills just to stand up to the scrutiny, never mind answer tough questions. A looong time ago, I was in contact with a Molson (or so they claimed to be but impossible to verify. It was the Gainey was hired thing and insider information). He had no intent on getting in here because it's not a "crayon" fan site. Was that Molson Man?
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Post by UberCranky on Sept 29, 2020 18:20:21 GMT -5
Bbinz would NEVER submit to HabsRus torture. He would need a bucket of happy pills just to stand up to the scrutiny, never mind answer tough questions. A looong time ago, I was in contact with a Molson (or so they claimed to be but impossible to verify. It was the Gainey was hired thing and insider information). He had no intent on getting in here because it's not a "crayon" fan site. Was that Molson Man? Yup. I'm two tons of salt skeptical about anyone claiming to be insiders, but on three occasions, with three "insiders", their info was true. Including Gainey, old firing of MTbrain, some draft picks and an important signing. Funny thing is they all demanded absolute secrecy and in most cases, not to discuss it online. So other then the "i know something you don't" it's not much use for the community...and any hints makes me look like a 12 year old with a secret.
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Post by franko on Sept 29, 2020 19:22:44 GMT -5
I can imagine your first question: "why are you still here?"
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 29, 2020 19:42:02 GMT -5
Must have missed the standings the last 5 years. Burke has been out of touch for a while... he should go back to selling hot dogs... Burke is the new Don Cherry
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 30, 2020 7:10:59 GMT -5
I can imagine your first question: "why are you still here?" lol... I think that's the first question anyone on this board would ask..
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Post by mikeg on Oct 12, 2020 18:48:51 GMT -5
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Post by frozone on Oct 13, 2020 8:57:59 GMT -5
When you look at how our depth chart has evolved, there's no question that we look way better today than we did in 2012. More impressive though, imo, is that he was able to claw his way back from the tragedy that he orchestrated back in the summer of 2017.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 13, 2020 11:32:41 GMT -5
I can imagine your first question: "why are you still here?" lol... I think that's the first question anyone on this board would ask.. The ship is rudderless. The story was we were too small so we drafted in the first round for size. Then we were told the game has changed so we built for speed. Now we are adding size for the playoffs, presumably because we made the Covid playoffs and will now regularly make the playoffs. We are building through the draft but are willing to hear offers for our #1 pick. Building through the draft picking 15th and 16th in reset mode (NOT REBUILD). We have a revolving door for overpaid journeymen and no stars. All our best players are on the wrong side of 30 and our young players experience reality of sophomore slumps, injuries, great expectations, bad breaks and attitude adjustments. The No Excuses sign is gone and that’s all we have. I loved my Habs but my attitude has soured the last 10 years. Laine, Aho, Lafreniere, MsDavid, all have one thing in common; they are not Habs.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 15, 2020 12:11:38 GMT -5
After this flurry of trades, signings, etc., there is a wave of excitement in the Habs world, except for this little corner of the world where I see a team made up of players ranging anywhere from 4-7 in ability on a scale from 1 to 10. I would bet they have more players in that range, with most at 6 and a couple at 7, than any other team in the league. Making the playoffs should be easy. Going further won't be. I'd say they are quite capable of winning one round, but simply don't have enough elite players to go much further. Price is the one guy who could stand on his head and take them to an extra round. Eventually, though, they run into a team that has almost as many supporting pieces, but a couple of elite guys who break down the Habs.
So, unless you're in Berg's camp and believe this group of players is indeed a SC contender, would you entertain going to Pierre Dorion and offering him, one of Suzuki or KK, and Romanov or a collection of other defense prospects (Guhle and Juulssen for example instead of Romanov) for Thomas Chabot? Tough, huh. Let's say Dorion won't budge unless it's Romanov. Would you trade one of your key centres and Romanov for Chabot? If this is making you think, then I'd say it's a viable trade because it's going to hurt. I don't want to lose either of those kids, but Chabot...man.
One of the key weaknesses on the team is not having an elite guy at the back end. Chabot is becoming one of those guys. (And he's Quebecois). Ottawa gets a potential excellent centre and a very srong young dman to partially replace Chabot. They are not strong at centre and have no A prospect (unless they plan to use Stutzle and his broken hand there) in their farm system. Even if Stutzle is there, a combo of he and one of KK or Romanov is pretty appealing. And Melnyk saves money too.
Go for it? If there's a CAP issue, a couple of forwards get moved out.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 15, 2020 15:08:49 GMT -5
After this flurry of trades, signings, etc., there is a wave of excitement in the Habs world, except for this little corner of the world where I see a team made up of players ranging anywhere from 4-7 in ability on a scale from 1 to 10. I would bet they have more players in that range, with most at 6 and a couple at 7, than any other team in the league. Making the playoffs should be easy. Going further won't be. I'd say they are quite capable of winning one round, but simply don't have enough elite players to go much further. Price is the one guy who could stand on his head and take them to an extra round. Eventually, though, they run into a team that has almost as many supporting pieces, but a couple of elite guys who break down the Habs. So, unless you're in Berg's camp and believe this group of players is indeed a SC contender, would you entertain going to Pierre Dorion and offering him, one of Suzuki or KK, and Romanov or a collection of other defense prospects (Guhle and Juulssen for example instead of Romanov) for Thomas Chabot? Tough, huh. Let's say Dorion won't budge unless it's Romanov. Would you trade one of your key centres and Romanov for Chabot? If this is making you think, then I'd say it's a viable trade because it's going to hurt. I don't want to lose either of those kids, but Chabot...man. One of the key weaknesses on the team is not having an elite guy at the back end. Chabot is becoming one of those guys. (And he's Quebecois). Ottawa gets a potential excellent centre and a very srong young dman to partially replace Chabot. They are not strong at centre and have no A prospect (unless they plan to use Stutzle and his broken hand there) in their farm system. Even if Stutzle is there, a combo of he and one of KK or Romanov is pretty appealing. And Melnyk saves money too. Go for it? If there's a CAP issue, a couple of forwards get moved out. In the games I've watched of the Sens, I haven't been impressed with Chabot, he's good but not sure how good he will be. Now being on a crappy team doesn't help and Sergachev, for example is in a waaay better situation... if you could trade the same resources for either Sergachev or Chabot which one would you pick?
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Post by Andrew on Oct 15, 2020 15:20:50 GMT -5
So, unless you're in Berg's camp and believe this group of players is indeed a SC contender, would you entertain going to Pierre Dorion and offering him, one of Suzuki or KK, and Romanov or a collection of other defense prospects (Guhle and Juulssen for example instead of Romanov) for Thomas Chabot? Tough, huh. Let's say Dorion won't budge unless it's Romanov. Would you trade one of your key centres and Romanov for Chabot? If this is making you think, then I'd say it's a viable trade because it's going to hurt. I don't want to lose either of those kids, but Chabot...man. I like that out of the box thinking in trying to acquire a difference maker, but giving up Suzuki or KK seems like too much of a step backwards. We've been longing for depth at center since the 90ies (when we "had" to trade Turgeon cause we had too much center depth). Us needing a center has been the ongoing joke, just like Philly needing a goalie. Now almost 25 years later it's finally becoming a position of strength. Don't make me go back to the way it was!
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Post by UberCranky on Oct 15, 2020 21:44:56 GMT -5
I rather see where Kk and Romanov takes us then trade them for Chabot. I don't see Chabot as the next Orr or Robinson. I see him as the best defenseman on a lousy team.
Now, if we are talking about trading Kk and our first for Dubois, count me in. But..in the end, they may land up at the same value.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 16, 2020 1:19:01 GMT -5
I might have suggested Heiskanen or Makar or Hughes, but no way we get any of those guys. It has to be someone with some really elite offensive skills. Chabot has those, is just 23 and there's an owner in place who might find it convenient to move him for a lower cost. If you can think of someone else, great, but getting such a guy is a necessity to be considered a contender Gallagher may think other forwards aren't going to enjoy playing against the Habs D, but I suspect there will be many drooling at the thought of turnovers and interceptions. Taking a few cross checks is just part of the job.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 16, 2020 5:50:45 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Oct 16, 2020 6:45:24 GMT -5
Engels is really hard to read now. That bit about "tears in his eyes". Yikes. It reads like a fluff piece in what newspapers used to call the Lifestyle section.
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Post by folatre on Oct 16, 2020 7:10:33 GMT -5
I thought it was hyperbole when I read that, but then I watched the little video clip on sportsnet website and the tears were there, jeje.
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Post by frozone on Oct 16, 2020 8:21:02 GMT -5
I thought it was hyperbole when I read that, but then I watched the little video clip on sportsnet website and the tears were there, jeje. Yup, that's quite a man crush.
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