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Post by franko on Jan 23, 2020 21:42:24 GMT -5
the Senators sell way too few season tickets to be considered a thriving organization.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 24, 2020 6:25:07 GMT -5
The place is packed when they have a competitive team... when they're not competitive the fans dont bother... wish it was like that in montreal.
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Post by frozone on Jan 24, 2020 9:38:32 GMT -5
The place is packed when they have a competitive team... when they're not competitive the fans dont bother... wish it was like that in montreal. It kinda is like that in Montreal. The Bell Center isn't packed. Interest just isn't there right now. The 2017-18 season was similar. Although last year was as successful a season that you can have without making the playoffs. The Habs were a good show and the fans definitely appreciated the effort to make it to the dance. Fan support and interest was high. But after a summer of... not much... there wasn't much belief in this team for this season. And fans are tuning out.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 24, 2020 12:47:01 GMT -5
The place is packed when they have a competitive team... when they're not competitive the fans dont bother... wish it was like that in montreal. It kinda is like that in Montreal. The Bell Center isn't packed. Interest just isn't there right now. The 2017-18 season was similar. Although last year was as successful a season that you can have without making the playoffs. The Habs were a good show and the fans definitely appreciated the effort to make it to the dance. Fan support and interest was high. But after a summer of... not much... there wasn't much belief in this team for this season. And fans are tuning out. I dont see empty seats at the Bell like I do at the Canadian tire centre
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Post by folatre on Feb 10, 2020 21:23:24 GMT -5
Rutherford makes his move early, as he generally does.
Pittsburgh gets Zucker for a first round pick (either 2020 or 2021), the WHL d-man Calen Addison who was the Pens second round pick in 2018, and Galchenyuk (obviously just an add in to make the cap numbers work).
The Pens are rewarding their boys for playing at a high level through a tonne of injuries. Rutherford must really like Zucker. He is a nice player but in reality he is a 20-22 goal type winger, solid enough in all three zones. His 33 goal season is an outlier. Pittsburgh is probably giving up a first rounder this season in the mid 20s and honestly I have no idea about Addision, though I imagine NW may have a better read on what his ceiling could be.
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Post by jkr on Feb 10, 2020 21:43:29 GMT -5
Galchenyuk is like Duclair. Barely 25 and now on his 4th team & 3rd team in 2 seasons.
The package does seem like a lot for Zucker though.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 10, 2020 21:52:44 GMT -5
Addison has been good in the Dub, and was very good with Team Canada. Top notch "new age" defensive prospect. Big price for Zucker when you add it all up.
What would they have offered for Tatar?
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Post by folatre on Feb 10, 2020 22:52:54 GMT -5
Good question. For me Tatar is more skilled and creative than Zucker. And Tatar has a slight productivity edge over his career. Zucker is not faster and not really much bigger or more defensively oriented. Therefore, one would assume the haul for Tatar would at least be equal to this, unless the the extra term (two more years of cost certainty compared to Tatar) was highly influential.
What would a club like Edmonton give up? Obviously a guy like Kreider has the Oilers on his no trade list, so Kenny Holland's options for adding an impact guy on the wing is limited. The ask for Athanasiou would be higher since he is four years younger than Tatar.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 11, 2020 0:33:02 GMT -5
Good question. For me Tatar is more skilled and creative than Zucker. And Tatar has a slight productivity edge over his career. Zucker is not faster and not really much bigger or more defensively oriented. Therefore, one would assume the haul for Tatar would at least be equal to this, unless the the extra term (two more years of cost certainty compared to Tatar) was highly influential. What would a club like Edmonton give up? Obviously a guy like Kreider has the Oilers on his no trade list, so Kenny Holland's options for adding an impact guy on the wing is limited. The ask for Athanasiou would be higher since he is four years younger than Tatar. The Owns deal is unnameable fir the Habs. They’d love that 1st rounder but no way they accept Chucky back for the Cap necessity.
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Post by jkr on Feb 11, 2020 7:02:06 GMT -5
Good question. For me Tatar is more skilled and creative than Zucker. And Tatar has a slight productivity edge over his career. Zucker is not faster and not really much bigger or more defensively oriented. Therefore, one would assume the haul for Tatar would at least be equal to this, unless the the extra term (two more years of cost certainty compared to Tatar) was highly influential. What would a club like Edmonton give up? Obviously a guy like Kreider has the Oilers on his no trade list, so Kenny Holland's options for adding an impact guy on the wing is limited. The ask for Athanasiou would be higher since he is four years younger than Tatar. Maybe Kreider would go to EDM for a chance to play with Draisaitl & McDavid. IMO, he'd be crazy not to.
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Post by Polarice on Feb 11, 2020 14:52:30 GMT -5
Twitterverse claiming the Taylor Hall maybe up for grabs. If the price was right, I would take a chance on him.
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Post by jkr on Feb 11, 2020 15:21:28 GMT -5
Since coming over, Hall has 20 points in 23 games. With the Coyotes in the playoff race, why would they trade him?
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Post by folatre on Feb 11, 2020 16:28:03 GMT -5
Yeah, Hall has been good in Arizona. Sure, plenty of contenders would like to scoop him up but what kind of message would Chayka be sending the guys in the room (players and coaches) if he pulled the plug on the playoff push? I mean, maybe if the Coyotes lose all six of their games before the deadline then you take those calls and listen.
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Post by jkr on Feb 16, 2020 17:24:09 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Feb 16, 2020 19:31:49 GMT -5
Thirty seven years old and UFA. Pretty good return actually. Even if it's between 55-60. Pure depth for Lamoriello. Not much difference making in that recipe.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 16, 2020 19:57:00 GMT -5
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 16, 2020 21:53:48 GMT -5
I agree That's an excellent deal. Imagine what we could get for Tatar.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Feb 17, 2020 8:20:20 GMT -5
It was an excellent deal but Coleman's salary this year and next was as big selling point in that deal as well.
I think everyone on the Habs should be at least up for trade discussion over the next week.
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Post by jkr on Feb 17, 2020 8:47:05 GMT -5
Good point about Coleman's salary. He is "only" making 1.8 million this year and next.
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Post by folatre on Feb 17, 2020 16:06:09 GMT -5
Coleman is a useful, versatile guy to have on your side. The Devils' haul seems excessive but that is the price of being all in to win. So it is really the specific context that explains the price Tampa was willing to pay.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 17, 2020 16:20:56 GMT -5
It was an excellent deal but Coleman's salary this year and next was as big selling point in that deal as well. I think everyone on the Habs should be at least up for trade discussion over the next week. Coleman is also supposed to be one of those very underrated players. Similar to Paul Byron and Brandon Tanev. Excellent penalty killer and a goal scorer. Different from Tatar, for teams looking for a different player, but the return should be similar for Tatar.
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Post by jkr on Feb 17, 2020 20:42:27 GMT -5
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Post by folatre on Feb 17, 2020 21:42:56 GMT -5
I was not anticipating the Canucks here. I do not follow Vancouver very closely so I was not acutely aware that they were highly motivated to acquire secondary scoring. I am not a big Toffoli fan, but the price seems pretty reasonable (dump Schaller to make the money work, give the Kings some really smallish NCAA forward, give the Kings a second round pick, end of story).
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Post by Skilly on Feb 18, 2020 8:16:47 GMT -5
4 pieces for Toffoli?? A guy that is basically a 40 point player … it's silly season this year
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Post by frozone on Feb 18, 2020 8:33:31 GMT -5
4 pieces for Toffoli?? A guy that is basically a 40 point player … it's silly season this year We have to take advantage. Ridiculous prices... strong draft... sell sell sell!
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Post by jkr on Feb 18, 2020 8:58:05 GMT -5
Boeser is out with fractured ribs. Maybe that motivated Van.
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Post by Polarice on Feb 18, 2020 9:12:32 GMT -5
Was reading an article this time last year and it basically said that most GM's are pressured by the owners, to do whatever they have to do during this time of year to help them make the playoffs.
Apparently, a lot of teams barely break even profit wise during the regular season. They make the majority of their money in the playoffs.....so no playoffs no profit.
So if a GM feels that he is one player away from making the playoffs, he is going to do whatever he needs to do to get the deal done.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 18, 2020 12:48:59 GMT -5
Vancouver is in a dog fight with healthier dogs, so they need depth scoring to try and keep pace. That Pacific Division is going down to the wire. Ferland is done and Boeser won't be back for a while. That drives the willingness to overpay up a few notches. I like Madden; watch him a lot at Northeastern.
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Post by jkr on Feb 18, 2020 16:35:39 GMT -5
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 18, 2020 17:08:37 GMT -5
Winnipeg needed defensemen. Good price to pay for a guy who has always looked solid when I have watched him play.
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