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Post by folatre on May 28, 2020 19:35:26 GMT -5
My son and I watch the games and always cheer for the boys. My son, being eight years old, feels frustrated when the Habs lose and screams at the television. After all of these years of mediocrity, I do not have much trouble letting the futility roll off my back. And when a game is over or a season is finished I try to look at the organization and the roster objectively.
Right now it is strange because after 71 games it basically felt like the season had run its course and for me the holes or flaws in the roster continued to be more or less apparent. Yet Montreal is being included, if it ever happens, in this convoluted post-season. It is natural as fans to weigh the trade-offs of what may happen.
If Montreal won the play-in and one Playoff series, thereby making it to the Conference Semis, then I could stomach getting the #16 pick despite being a team that really needs high-end talent.
But frankly, dropping all the way down to #16 with for merely making an appearance among the sixteen teams in the official Playoffs would not make me feel enough better about the present or the near-term future. If the Habs bow out against the Pens, basically they can do no worse than picking #10 with the likeliest outcomes being #8 or #9. In this particular draft, that is not a bad consolation prize. Would losing to Pittsburgh change my overall evaluation of Montreal’s veteran core? Not really. I think they are very good hockey players, but there are not elite difference makers among them and I would not hand out long-term contract to the entirety of them.
The scenario of being in the Draft Lottery that would hurt (and is not that far-fetched) is that a placeholder nabs one or two of the top spots and some team with way more talent and fewer holes than Montreal lucks into it, say a club like the Rangers or Toronto.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 28, 2020 19:56:52 GMT -5
... a residual effect ...
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Post by franko on May 28, 2020 20:34:11 GMT -5
My son and I watch the games and always cheer for the boys. My son, being eight years old, feels frustrated when the Habs lose and screams at the television. ya I remember being 8 and doing that . . . and 18 . . . and 28 . . . and . . .
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Post by seventeen on May 29, 2020 1:18:25 GMT -5
So many people.....with half full glasses. I'm shutting off the water....... Winning ONE series is not worth losing out on a top 6 forward or top 4 defenseman. Given the odds are less then 50% that we will win that series, I rather have a bird in hand. If fans had a vote, it would probably split down 67% for the pick, 33% for the playoffs (there's always a hard core playoff contingent and then there's the 25% crazification group who vote against everything that seams reasonable and sane (anti-vaxxers etc.).n Course, if they're a poster on this board, then they're just expressing their valid opinion . Unfortunately the people who actually are voting (Molson) wants that revenue, of course. Never a long term thinker, Geoff is proving how much of a second or 3rd generation guy he is (maybe even 4th).
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Post by seventeen on May 29, 2020 1:21:28 GMT -5
Let's face it, the only reason why people are getting upset about this is because we CAN actually make a playoff run here. If this was Detroit we were talking about nobody would be concerned. It's only because it wouldn't really be a huge upset to beat Pittsburgh. Which, by inference, means we're not that bad a team, and that certain players are not as bad as some would like hope think they are. I cant get past the fact that Phil Danault is our #centre. I fine guy, who I like for a lot of reasons, but the biggest handicap to the team's chances of winning a cup is that he is without a doubt our top centre. That's not changing in the next 3 months. Or maybe the next year - sigh.
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Post by seventeen on May 29, 2020 1:25:58 GMT -5
In lieu of that half can of Coke, please share your secret to such optimism. There is no such thing as "hope" to lose. It's a gene infused impossibility. That just blew my logic fuse to smithereens. I hereby promise not only to "not blame them", I will lose the Cranky meme for an entire year and praise Bbinz to high heavens....IF THEY WIN THE CUP. IF we win the cup, seriously, I will blow so many kisses in Bbinz direction, that it may well be considered creepy in many parts of the world. Seriously. I may even change my avatar to show my new found affection for him. Heck, I bet even Seventeen will sacrifice his rubber doll and go celibate for a year....IF we win the cup. Somebody better pin this post.... just in case 😁 Here's another to pin. Ottawa will win the Cup before we do.
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Post by Tankdriver on May 29, 2020 11:29:18 GMT -5
Somebody better pin this post.... just in case 😁 Here's another to pin. Ottawa will win the Cup before we do. Ottawa has a good record of tearing it down and building it back up again. I think of them as the Oakland A's of the 2000's
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Post by BadCompany on May 29, 2020 11:56:50 GMT -5
Here's another to pin. Ottawa will win the Cup before we do. Ottawa has a good record of tearing it down and building it back up again. I think of them as the Oakland A's of the 2000's
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Post by seventeen on May 29, 2020 14:11:01 GMT -5
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Post by GNick99 on May 29, 2020 20:41:46 GMT -5
I am concerned how virus is increasing in States who have opened up.
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Post by UberCranky on May 30, 2020 1:31:32 GMT -5
With what is happening in the States now....easy prediction is that there is a second wave around the corner.
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Post by Willie Dog on May 30, 2020 15:09:48 GMT -5
With what is happening in the States now....easy prediction is that there is a second wave around the corner. Absolutely, no way should Trudeau open the border
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Post by UberCranky on May 30, 2020 15:52:17 GMT -5
With what is happening in the States now....easy prediction is that there is a second wave around the corner. Absolutely, no way should Trudeau open the border Obviously.......wearing masks in riots is a sign of social responsibility. *sigh* This too shall pass....
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 30, 2020 16:47:38 GMT -5
Ottawa has a good record of tearing it down and building it back up again. I think of them as the Oakland A's of the 2000's What is the penalty for clubs scheduled to exceed the cap but won’t due to fewer games played?
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 31, 2020 14:00:56 GMT -5
With what is happening in the States now....easy prediction is that there is a second wave around the corner. If they hold the draft and playoffs get cancelled, do they revert to the Hab’s having a 6% chance or stay with the Hab’s only having a 3% chance and no playin? I assume Los Angeles, Minneapolis and Philadelphia will not be hosting playoffs.
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Post by Bones on May 31, 2020 15:22:32 GMT -5
I'm like the biggest hab fan I know (in my circle) and this whole idea irks me. First let's be honest, the habs don't deserve a shot at the playoffs , they were all but mathematically eliminated from contention when the season was suspended. And while it's always great to be in the playoffs this doesn't feel right to me at all. I'd much rather have the guaranteed lottery pick, then the off chance we upset the penguins in the "play-ins" and be picking around 16th or 17th at best. And even if we went on some miracle cinderella run, and Carey Price stood on his head and actually won this thing there would always be a huge asterisk beside this cup run, the covid cup would never feel legit like a real stanley cup.
Besides these whole playoffs are gonna feel weird with no fans in the stands. I don't care which team you root for I think we can all agree there is nothing like playoff hockey in Montreal, there isn't a more electric stadium to play hockey in then the molson centre in spring. This too will feel flat. I for one would rather they just write the season off, give us our lottery pick and get ready for next season. Just my opinion
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 31, 2020 15:26:12 GMT -5
I for one would rather they just write the season off, give me my lottery pick and get ready for next season. Just my opinion Nice to see you checking in, Bones ... this is where I am right now ... shut down the remainder of this season and start the 2020-21 season on time ... Cheers.
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Post by seventeen on May 31, 2020 17:08:13 GMT -5
Too many tv obligations.
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Post by jkr on May 31, 2020 17:46:21 GMT -5
I'm like the biggest hab fan I know (in my circle) and this whole idea irks me. First let's be honest, the habs don't deserve a shot at the playoffs , they were all but mathematically eliminated from contention when the season was suspended. And while it's always great to be in the playoffs this doesn't feel right to me at all. I'd much rather have the guaranteed lottery pick, then the off chance we upset the penguins in the "play-ins" and be picking around 16th or 17th at best. And even if we went on some miracle cinderella run, and Carey Price stood on his head and actually won this thing there would always be a huge asterisk beside this cup run, the covid cup would never feel legit like a real stanley cup. Besides these whole playoffs are gonna feel weird with no fans in the stands. I don't care which team you root for I think we can all agree there is nothing like playoff hockey in Montreal, there isn't a more electric stadium to play hockey in then the molson centre in spring. This too will feel flat. I for one would rather they just write the season off, give us our lottery pick and get ready for next season. Just my opinion Wow, you're back & you still have the bling. Your post sums up my feelings exactly. Just end it.
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Post by PTH on May 31, 2020 18:00:40 GMT -5
I hate the format. Not creative at all. The best idea is coming from NBA circles where they are talking about doing a World Cup style group format and scrapping the conferences this year. If you are playing games at designated sites then the travel issue isn't a concern. ... But TV ratings wouldn't be as good if it's East vs West.... say we had a playin round against Edmonton or Calgary, it doesn't matter at which time it's played, it won't be optimal for TV ratings. Much better to have us against an Eastern team at 7PM EST, and west against west at 7PM, PT (ie, 10PM EST) With no gate revenue to rake in cash, TV ratings are really the only reason to hold these playoffs in the first place...
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 31, 2020 18:23:30 GMT -5
I for one would rather they just write the season off, give me my lottery pick and get ready for next season. Just my opinion Nice to see you checking in, Bones ... this is where I am right now ... shut down the remainder of this season and start the 2020-21 season on time ... Cheers. Agree 100% start a riot in Toronto and let Bergevin loot the Hall of Fame bringing home the Stanley Cup. Equally legitimate.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 1, 2020 10:52:43 GMT -5
I hate the format. Not creative at all. The best idea is coming from NBA circles where they are talking about doing a World Cup style group format and scrapping the conferences this year. If you are playing games at designated sites then the travel issue isn't a concern. ... But TV ratings wouldn't be as good if it's East vs West.... say we had a playin round against Edmonton or Calgary, it doesn't matter at which time it's played, it won't be optimal for TV ratings. Much better to have us against an Eastern team at 7PM EST, and west against west at 7PM, PT (ie, 10PM EST) With no gate revenue to rake in cash, TV ratings are really the only reason to hold these playoffs in the first place... If the two host cities are Vegas and Edmonton … there is no guarantee that the east coast teams will be playing at 7pmEST … Let's see what cities are chosen. Personally, I think if they can't go with New York or Toronto, it still may get called off
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Post by PTH on Jun 1, 2020 13:24:23 GMT -5
But TV ratings wouldn't be as good if it's East vs West.... say we had a playin round against Edmonton or Calgary, it doesn't matter at which time it's played, it won't be optimal for TV ratings. Much better to have us against an Eastern team at 7PM EST, and west against west at 7PM, PT (ie, 10PM EST) With no gate revenue to rake in cash, TV ratings are really the only reason to hold these playoffs in the first place... If the two host cities are Vegas and Edmonton … there is no guarantee that the east coast teams will be playing at 7pmEST … Let's see what cities are chosen. Personally, I think if they can't go with New York or Toronto, it still may get called off I garantee the teams with highest expected TV ratings will be playing at 7 or 8 PM EST, regardless of if the tournament is in Edmonton or Hong Kong.
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Post by UberCranky on Jun 1, 2020 15:51:21 GMT -5
The Chinese government will build one in 10 days....for free. But.....they will put the rink on a gimbal and tilt it accordingly.... The whole thing is becoming a bit of a money grabbing joke. They are going to hold the playoffs, then the draft, then the season opens what? A month later? Sadly...I'm without principles, I will still watch the wretched thing as long as the Habs are playing. It's true, just like Cartoon Network News, aka CNN, my inside "anonymous sources", seven people in the "know" and "experts" told me that this is Mol$on lullaby....
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Post by folatre on Jun 1, 2020 15:53:01 GMT -5
Las Vegas does not seem like a great choice on a couple of counts. First, in August and September it is like 40 degrees in the shade. If guys want to play golf or whatever, it seems kind of suboptimal. Second, by July casinos will be open in some capacity and you get a bunch of bored hockey players with plenty of money in their bank accounts there is no way the league will be successful keeping guys out of public places.
I think Edmonton and Buffalo or Columbus make more sense.
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Post by UberCranky on Jun 1, 2020 16:05:44 GMT -5
The last time I was in Arizona in the summer, I got third degree burns on my hands....from the steering wheel. I had to drive around with a Big Gulp on the side and a small hose glued to my mouth. In order for my shoes not to glue themselves to the pavement, I had to walk in the shade. At the sellers plant, I actually saw 8 foot tall fans. Thankfully they were fully caged otherwise they would be man sized Popeil Slicers and Dicers. Just saying.....
I still think that an isolate community that is big enough to handle the accommodations and NHL sized rinks is the best choice. Playing in TO and then having cases of Covid breaking out is going to be a PR nightmare for the NHL. If they are testing daily and have no cases, then the players and personal can actually walk around the community without becoming nothing more then revenue generating zombies.
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Post by folatre on Jun 1, 2020 16:19:40 GMT -5
Jeje, for sure, it literally sizzles in the desert southwest.
I may be wrong, but I really do not believe there are more Covid positive individuals in Toronto than Las Vegas, Chicago, or wherever in the States.
If Trudeau relents and grants NHL players exceptional status, then I believe Edmonton is a great choice and should be a lock. Likewise, for me it is logical to have games in the Eastern Time Zone and the arenas in Columbus and Buffalo have everything attached or within 10-15 walking distance.
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Post by PTH on Jun 2, 2020 2:29:07 GMT -5
Between the covid threat and the near-civil war brewing down south, I just don't see how this tournament will ever actually be held, to be honest.
I know there's a lot of dough on the table, but I just don't see how they can get this done, and to me a failure will be far, far worse than just saying that we're done for 2020.
Seems to be the league is seeing the tree, not the forest here.
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Post by jkr on Jun 2, 2020 6:17:59 GMT -5
Are people even seriously thinking about sports in North America right now? No one will be paying much attention. And if they do, it will be criticism for even holding the event. The NHL and the NBA should just drop these silly tournaments now.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 2, 2020 6:42:08 GMT -5
Are people even seriously thinking about sports in North America right now? No one will be paying much attention. And if they do, it will be criticism for even holding the event. The NHL and the NBA should just drop these silly tournaments now. Don't underestimate the power of the dollar bill JKR. It is the most powerful creature in the universe.
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