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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 26, 2020 19:27:18 GMT -5
My God...can the dream come true? If Montreal can get #1...my God Habs fans will pass out.
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Post by folatre on Jun 26, 2020 19:29:16 GMT -5
Jeje, maybe Price will conveniently see the bigger picture in all this and opt out with a pregnant wife.
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Post by folatre on Jun 26, 2020 19:33:41 GMT -5
It is awesome that we keep the dream alive over the next few weeks.
However, I will be so frickin pissed if Lafreniere ends up in Toronto, Pittsburgh, Edmonton, or New York. Bettman is probably praying that he ends up with the Coyotes or the Panthers to breathe life into one of those moribund franchises.
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Post by jkr on Jun 26, 2020 19:36:15 GMT -5
I can't shake the feeling that this was pre determined. Daley announces with a straight face that some unknown team gets the 1st pick? Seems like a ploy just to get people watching.
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Post by drkcloud on Jun 26, 2020 19:39:47 GMT -5
It'll be the Blackhawks. Time to rebuild a top big American market
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Post by folatre on Jun 26, 2020 19:46:31 GMT -5
So is this real that the Rangers will have 12.5 percent chance if they lose in the play-in phase and a 12.5 percent chance if they win the play-in phase since they own the lower of Carolina's two first round picks in this draft?
For me the Rangers getting Lafreniere would be way worse than the Blackhawks.
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Post by jkr on Jun 26, 2020 19:57:26 GMT -5
Jeez, Friedman! He looks like Saddam the day he crawled out of that hole in Iraq.
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 26, 2020 20:01:43 GMT -5
So is this real that the Rangers will have 12.5 percent chance if they lose in the play-in phase and a 12.5 percent chance if they win the play-in phase since they own the lower of Carolina's two first round picks in this draft? For me the Rangers getting Lafreniere would be way worse than the Blackhawks. The Rangers could, hypothetically, win both the Stanley Cup and the 1st overall.
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Post by jkr on Jun 26, 2020 20:05:37 GMT -5
Friedman said the Rangers have the lower of Carolina's 1st round picks. By that I mean the worse of the 2 picks.
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 26, 2020 20:08:15 GMT -5
Well if you're the NHL this is definitely the best way to maintain interest in your league during a shutdown.
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Post by folatre on Jun 26, 2020 20:10:47 GMT -5
Friedman said the Rangers have the lower of Carolina's 1st round picks. By that I mean the worse of the 2 picks. I certainly hope that is the case.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Jun 26, 2020 20:34:19 GMT -5
For all the thoughts on tanking you couldn't have a much worse season than Detroit and they don't get a top 3 pick. They still get a really good player at #4, but that has to hurt
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 26, 2020 22:08:26 GMT -5
So for those that are wondering, the team that would of won would of been the Winnipeg Jeta with the 12h best odds.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 27, 2020 3:32:58 GMT -5
Well, isn’t that just screwed up. The odds were that the Habs place holder spot won the lottery, but alas, it could end up a top team. Ninth still gets us a shot at perhaps Holtz or Sanderson. Nice. First gets us some Lafreniere kid. But 7/8th says he goes to a team that does not deserve such a talent. Especially if there are lots of play-in upsets. Way to go NHL.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 27, 2020 3:34:21 GMT -5
Jeez, Friedman! He looks like Saddam the day he crawled out of that hole in Iraq. He is scary looking. He does know that he is on video every week? He is looking kookier every day.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 27, 2020 3:36:48 GMT -5
For all the thoughts on tanking you couldn't have a much worse season than Detroit and they don't get a top 3 pick. They still get a really good player at #4, but that has to hurt Yup. And too bad Sens...not. A big phew for what could have made our division terrible to play against very quickly.
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Post by jkr on Jun 27, 2020 5:40:49 GMT -5
Well, isn’t that just screwed up. The odds were that the Habs place holder spot won the lottery, but alas, it could end up a top team. Ninth still gets us a shot at perhaps Holtz or Sanderson. Nice. First gets us some Lafreniere kid. But 7/8th says he goes to a team that does not deserve such a talent. Especially if there are lots of play-in upsets. Way to go NHL. I still can't figure out why they went with this fiasco. It defeats the purpose of the draft lottery, for bad teams to get better. Why were placeholders even involved? It was a also dumb TV. You watch it for half hour & there's no winner.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 27, 2020 5:48:24 GMT -5
Hate having to wait until end of September to see if we draft #1
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Post by jkr on Jun 27, 2020 7:06:23 GMT -5
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Post by Skilly on Jun 27, 2020 7:21:32 GMT -5
This was so obviously rigged it’s not funny, ... The NHL basically joins the realm of the WWE. But even the WWE draws the balls in front of a live audience
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 27, 2020 7:49:55 GMT -5
This was so obviously rigged it’s not funny, ... The NHL basically joins the realm of the WWE. But even the WWE draws the balls in front of a live audience I stopped watching WWF/WWE years ago but it has more entertainment value than the lottery, IMHO ... Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 27, 2020 8:22:19 GMT -5
I liked the interview and I agree with Brian Burke insomuch as, the lottery should only include the bottom-5 teams ... Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 27, 2020 8:33:56 GMT -5
Well if you're the NHL this is definitely the best way to maintain interest in your league during a shutdown. TBH, BC, I had intentions of watching the lottery but I only remembered it was on when I came by it while surfing through the channels ... Cheers.
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Post by folatre on Jun 27, 2020 10:20:40 GMT -5
Well, at this point, between the pandemic and the players not liking the economic answers on the table, I would say there is a solid 30-40 percent chance that the 2019-20 season never resumes.
In this event, the eight teams in Phase 2 of the Lottery will be: Montreal, Chicago, Arizona, Minnesota, Winnipeg, Calgary, New York Rangers, and Vancouver.
So if the season is cancelled, Lafreniere would have a 50 percent chance of staying home in Canada. Also, the odds of him playing in the Eastern Conference are rather small (25 percent).
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 27, 2020 11:48:48 GMT -5
Folatre, that is the one good thing about this lottery. If we don’t get Laf, he likely ends up out of our division. Prior to last night’s reality show, there were HUGE odds that we would see him a lot on the opposing bench.
For the record, I did not bother to watch.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 27, 2020 13:09:50 GMT -5
Well, isn’t that just screwed up. The odds were that the Habs place holder spot won the lottery, but alas, it could end up a top team. Ninth still gets us a shot at perhaps Holtz or Sanderson. Nice. First gets us some Lafreniere kid. But 7/8th says he goes to a team that does not deserve such a talent. Especially if there are lots of play-in upsets. Way to go NHL. I still can't figure out why they went with this fiasco. It defeats the purpose of the draft lottery, for bad teams to get better. Why were placeholders even involved? It was a also dumb TV. You watch it for half hour & there's no winner. That is the key point, no? If you believe that actions speak louder than words, then this process was obviously not meant to benefit bad teams. I have absolutely no doubt the NHL doesn't give a $hit about bad teams. What they want are ratings and fan adulation and loyalty. Tyrants have done this throughout history....throw the peons a bone to entertain them and they won't question why the wealth remains unequal. A draft lottery is good television, especially at this time (I taped it and then erased it without watching after I found out the results and analysis from writers). It's not wealth specifically in this case, but if your favourite team is one of the bad ones, you should be ticked off. Detroit should have first pick. Period.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 27, 2020 13:50:12 GMT -5
I liked the interview and I agree with Brian Burke insomuch as, the lottery should only include the bottom-5 teams ... Cheers. I must admit that I am torn on this subject. I don't mind a lottery. We should not be rewarding incompetence or making an incentive for teams to fail. I felt that way until I lost faith in Molson as an owner and Bergevin as a GM. The people of Montreal are suffering under Molson's greed and Bergevins incompetence. A lottery is a disincentive to tanking while still providing weak teams a path to improvement. Habs fans must financially motivate management to change. If not we get what we deserve.
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Post by Anardil1 on Jun 27, 2020 14:13:10 GMT -5
This is where, if I was more capable with computers and such, I would post the MEME from Dumb & Dumber:
'So you're saying there's still a chance' and photoshop Bergevin and Timmins' faces over Carrey and Daniels.
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Post by habsorbed on Jun 27, 2020 14:36:02 GMT -5
This was so obviously rigged it’s not funny, ... The NHL basically joins the realm of the WWE. But even the WWE draws the balls in front of a live audience It is hard to believe that this outcome was not preordained by Bettman and Co. If they had hired a marketing expert (maybe they did) to advise of a draft lottery process that would garner the most attention and hype around the league for not only the two lotteries but the play-ins as well, this is exactly what the expert would have recommended. Two lotteries certainly causes much more buzz on two separate occasions during the summer. And now 16 cities and their fan base will be talking NHL and Lafreniere at water coolers and summer bbqs for the next few months. And with play-ins (if they occur) in the dead of summer a lot more people will be watching given it is not about the Cup for most of the teams, it will now be about getting Lafreniere. Heck, I may even watch the Leaf games and root for the Leafs so they don't get their 12.5% chance. It was a bizarre if not perverse model to adopt which led me to start this thread pointing out the heresy of it all. And now it has unfolded exactly how Bettman would want, creating all sorts of hype and attention - damn the notion of using the draft to help weaker teams progress. And for both the model to be developed and the actual lottery to unfold behind close doors can't help but leave one suspicious. And of course if Bettman was prepared to implement this scam and have it unfold as it has, it is hard to believe the plan doesn't have a destination predetermined for Lafreniere. Let's hope that for some reason Bettman wants Lafreniere in Mtl. Is it possible Molson and MB may be rewarded for picking up John Scott?
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Post by habsorbed on Jun 27, 2020 14:39:37 GMT -5
One thing that I haven't seen in anything I've read is what happens with this lottery process if the season does not resume - which i believe is likely given the current Covid situation. I suppose the League could declare that all 16 of the play-in teams would be involved in the 2nd lottery. Which would reduce Habs odds to about 6% which ironically was about what we were looking at had there been no pause and the season had been played out. But to think the Pens and the Leafs would also have a 6% chance at Lafreniere is absurd. Welcome to Bettman's NHL! Yeah, no one really knows what happens if a placeholder wins one of the lotteries in Phase 1 and then the 2019-20 season never resumes. I doubt the league would allow Phase 2 to have 16 teams in it because that is casting the net too wide and includes teams who had excellent seasons such as Pittsburgh and a team like Dallas could turn around and say the Penguins had a better record than us so if there are no Playoffs then we deserve a place in the lottery more than they do. A second option for Phase 2 would be to have the next worst eight teams (by points percentage) take part – Montreal, Chicago, Arizona, Minnesota, Winnipeg, New York Rangers, Calgary, and Vancouver – and give them equal odds in the Phase 2 lottery. A third option would be not to bother with Phase 2 and simply award the pick to the placeholder that actually struck gold. For instance if the Placeholder called “Team A” wins, Montreal takes the pick because Team A’s probabilities were those associated with the eighth worst team in the league and Montreal was the eighth worst team in the league. Similarly, if the placeholder called “Team D” wins, Minnesota takes the pick because Team D’s probabilities were associated with the eleventh worst team in the league and Minnesota was the eleventh worst team in the league. If the season is cancelled, I think the third option is actually the fairest one. However, unless behind closed doors, Bettman and Daly have already informed GMs that this is how such an eventuality gets settled, then they would have a war on their hands. If I had to guess, I would bet that the league would opt for the second option because it would be the most aligned with the league's two phase design. However, I really do not feel this is particularly fair because teams like the Canucks and the Rangers really had solid seasons compared to the s***fest campaigns that Montreal and Chicago subjected their fans to. So it looks like the league is going with your option 2 if the play-ins never happen. It's interesting that in everything I read before the lottery it was never set out what would happen with no play-ins. You'd think it would have been in writing and out there for everyone, owners, teams, media and fans to know before yesterday. And now we are told it will be the worst eight teams eligible for the play-ins and each will have an equal chance in the second lottery. The reason i would like to see what was adopted by the league (actual wording) is that if it is not clearly set out, I believe there is a strong argument that while the worst 8 play-in teams should be part of the second lottery, their respective chances should not be equal but based on there point percentage at the time of the pause - traditional approach. This would put the Habs in a great position! Can anyone explain to me why the Habs with a 500 record should be given the same odds as Calgary, Winn,and Vancouver who were all 9 games over 500?
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