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Post by seventeen on Aug 3, 2020 12:53:31 GMT -5
My point since Suzuki made the team, is and will always be that Danault should not stunt the development of the future first and second line centers. And we can argue about the pros and cons of Danault’s potential, but his potential is no where near what Suzuki and Kotkaniemi ‘s potential is. It’s time for this team to hand the reigns over. Let them grow. Julien obviously feels differently. He's giving Suzuki lots of ice time and its warranted, but he also, despite glowing cheap talk, kept KK to 13 minutes. I think that the strategy of trying to work with Domi (or pandering if you want to use a different word) is affecting KK's ice time. The obvious solution is in Bergevin's hands. Domi needs to be traded for defensive help. We have centers (KK, Suzuki, Danault, Evans) and we have a number of wingers coming up. Could be the timing is just not right, it not being off-season yet, but if Domi is still a Hab when next season starts, I'll be disappointed. (I'm sure curbing my disappointment is a number 1 priority with Bergevin )
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Post by PTH on Aug 3, 2020 13:32:21 GMT -5
Mike, while I watch the games I always want the Habs to win. But thinking about it objectively during an intermission or after the game, this organization needs high end difference makers more than it needs a playoff cameo in a bubble. If Montreal upsets Pittsburgh, I just do not see the horses to slug it out against Tampa or Washington or whoever in the round of 16. I suppose, in fairness, Price could be the wildcard because when he plays like he did Saturday night then the Habs would have a chance. However, since Price hit age 30, he just does not seem capable of playing lights out night after night after night like he did back in his dominating prime. I'm the same, though I also think there are two upsides to winning: -player development. It's accelerated in a playoff atmosphere, and if we make it to the 3d round, say, then guys like Fleury are sure to have gotten some games in at a high level. But right now, Mete, Suzuki and Kotkaniemi are taking quantum leaps forward, and this kind of focus can even help guys like Armia, Lehkonen, Domi and Drouin take that next step. I just wish guys like Evans and Poehling were out there, too, but even just being in the arena and seeing what needs to be done to succeed will help them out. If a guy like Lindgren gets the tail end of a loss, just 20 minutes of ice time can help him for the future. -Prestige and visibility across the league. When you win, players take note. Free agents will consider coming, current players don't see the place as a losing team to be left, but a winning program to stick with, etc. We can look at it all on an asset by asset basis, but players seem to only see results, sometimes from afar. I'd love to go back and look at 2011 or so, and see whether the 2010 run had an impact on FAs, and I'm willing to bet it did. At worst, players on the team can decide this is a team to stick with, and with a bunch of FAs coming up (Petry, Gallagher, Tatar and Danault come to mind), it can be good to have them see Montreal as an upcoming team that they should stick with. There's a reason winning teams keep on winning, part of it is of course having a core of elite players, and we all see that part of it and want that elite core, but there's also the winning begets winning, which is why successful teams can stay successful even after stars leave, but losing teams can take forever to leave the cellar. Buffalo is still a bottom dweller, Edmonton needed to get McDavid to get anywhere, etc.
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Post by PTH on Aug 3, 2020 13:35:04 GMT -5
Who is more likely to get 70 points WITH decent line mates Danault, Kotkaniemi or Suzuki? Danault is #3 when you use that argument. In fact, Danault has played with 70 point wingers and couldn’t garner said points That would make him a 3rd line center on this team. Danault was also only 23 when he played with those guys. And as we have seen, he's a late bloomer. It happens. If you want to flip it, both Tatar and Gallagher had career years with Danault as their center... I think in the medium team, it's going to be Suzuki-Danault-Kotkaniemi. Suzuki can generate offense, Danault has a strong 2-way game, and Kotkaniemi will need a season or two to grow into his body still, but can be a solid 3d line that other teams have to take into account even if the elite talent isn't there. But clearly, if Domi wants to be a center, he's going to need to outplay one of those guys, and I don't see that happening.
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Post by PTH on Aug 3, 2020 13:38:26 GMT -5
... Could be the timing is just not right, it not being off-season yet, but if Domi is still a Hab when next season starts, I'll be disappointed. Well, I think we might want to sign Domi to a reasonable contract and see what happens next season, guys like Suzuki and Kotkaniemi might take a step back, as well, so moving a center when we finally have depth at the position shouldn't be rushed, even though he's not likely to be a Hab in 3 years assuming normal development from the pair of projected top 2 centers. Berg did a good job signing Galch to a tradable contract and now he needs to do the same for Domi.
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Post by UberCranky on Aug 3, 2020 14:29:33 GMT -5
Does anyone think we have a realistic chance of winning the cup? Or being finalist?
I don't.
Common sense..would I trade one series win for a high chance at a franchise player or high probability top 4 or top 6? Of course not.
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Post by Skilly on Aug 3, 2020 14:40:37 GMT -5
My point since Suzuki made the team, is and will always be that Danault should not stunt the development of the future first and second line centers. And we can argue about the pros and cons of Danault’s potential, but his potential is no where near what Suzuki and Kotkaniemi ‘s potential is. It’s time for this team to hand the reigns over. Let them grow. Julien obviously feels differently. He's giving Suzuki lots of ice time and its warranted, but he also, despite glowing cheap talk, kept KK to 13 minutes. I think that the strategy of trying to work with Domi (or pandering if you want to use a different word) is affecting KK's ice time. The obvious solution is in Bergevin's hands. Domi needs to be traded for defensive help. We have centers (KK, Suzuki, Danault, Evans) and we have a number of wingers coming up. Could be the timing is just not right, it not being off-season yet, but if Domi is still a Hab when next season starts, I'll be disappointed. (I'm sure curbing my disappointment is a number 1 priority with Bergevin ) As long as we have guys like Armia on the second line, we can’t trade Domi
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Post by jkr on Aug 3, 2020 14:41:19 GMT -5
Does anyone think we have a realistic chance of winning the cup? Or being finalist? I don't. Common sense..would I trade one series win for a high chance at a franchise player or high probability top 4 or top 6? Of course not. Agreed. While some playoff success might bring valuable experience, in the long term this team badly needs talent. I think most people around the league see this team for what it is, a squad that was going to miss the playoffs again and whose best players are on the wrong side of 30. Price & Weber will be 33 and 35 in 2 weeks. Petry will be 33 by the end of the calendar year. I just don't feel that when you look at the talent level & the age of their top players, Montreal would be a desirable location for UFAs either.
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Post by folatre on Aug 3, 2020 14:44:15 GMT -5
Bergevin is supposedly around the team literally all the time unlike a lot of GMs (e.g. Rutherford) who tends to keep their distance, so he should know whether Domi is willing to play wing. I like Domi. There are a bunch of small forwards I would prefer to ship out before him.
I doubt Bergevin wants a guy who put up 72 points last year to go to arbitration because the number dictated could be one year at an AAV higher than the one you could get if you figure out something with Brisson. And Domi is two years away from UFA status so it does not make much sense for the club to offer a short-term deal. I continue to think something like four years could suit both sides if the Habs are willing to get to a number like 22 or 23 million.
Given his age, skill, and toughness I am sure there are plenty of clubs around the league interested in him provided he is signed. I thought the rumour coming out of Buffalo was interesting (Domi for the 8th overall pick) though not convincing unless management sees the real fruits of the retool being a little further away than they have generally signaled.
I would hate something like Domi for Gostisbehere. I would like something like Domi for Fowler but I doubt Anaheim would see Domi on Fowler's level one for one; plus, Fowler basically has a no movement clause and I doubt he withdraws it to play in Montreal. It will not be the classic wheeling and dealing on the draft floor, but Bergevin could make a move (and not necessarily Domi) before or on draft weekend.
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Post by UberCranky on Aug 3, 2020 15:44:58 GMT -5
Domi...and Drouin are the reason i don't think we have a chance in the post season.
If...repeat...IF those two were playing like 70 point forwards, AND Jesus Price does his Jesus miracles, i could dream of a 93 repeat, but neither of them are showing signs of putting the team on their shoulders.
Tatar is about the only one i have come to expect 100% game in and game out.
I would trade both of them for a top tier, let's say 6-8th prospect.
I just don't get either of them Full tool belts...and they carry them around their knees, gansta style.
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Post by PTH on Aug 3, 2020 15:48:29 GMT -5
Petry will be 33 by the end of the calendar year. . Don't look now but apparently Petry will be resigned this summer (Pierre Lebrun quoted by danslescoulisses)
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Post by PTH on Aug 3, 2020 15:50:41 GMT -5
As long as we have guys like Armia on the second line, we can’t trade Domi Unless we're moving Domi for a pure winger, of course...
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Post by UberCranky on Aug 3, 2020 16:03:24 GMT -5
Petry will be 33 by the end of the calendar year. . Don't look now but apparently Petry will be resigned this summer (Pierre Lebrun quoted by danslescoulisses) One of those....."no choice". Without him, i would argue we have the worse defense in the league.
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 3, 2020 16:27:23 GMT -5
Like Domi a lit but I'd trade him to Buffalo for their 8th overall, we get knocked out by Pitt, even if we dont get the 1st, we get the 9th, so 8 and 9 in a deep draft... could be difference makes for over a decade...
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Post by seventeen on Aug 3, 2020 19:42:15 GMT -5
If Pens win. They’re leading in this game but not playing as hard as they should. Their defenseman skated back at 90% instead of all out, Armia beat him to the puck and nearly set up Byron. If Pittsburgh let’s Montreal outwork them they won’t win.
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Post by UberCranky on Aug 3, 2020 19:43:02 GMT -5
Drouin is a black hole where plays go to die...
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Post by seventeen on Aug 3, 2020 19:50:27 GMT -5
Drouin is a black hole where plays go to die... Sergachev was +1 today vs Washington, played 21 minutes, 2 less than Hedman and McDonagh. Just sayin’.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 3, 2020 19:54:01 GMT -5
I don’t think Pittsburgh recognizes the position they’re in. Habs clearly want this game more than the Pens.
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Post by UberCranky on Aug 3, 2020 19:55:37 GMT -5
Is poehling that worse then weisse? Because weisse is adding nothing
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Post by UberCranky on Aug 3, 2020 19:57:56 GMT -5
C'mon...drouin can't even make a 10 foot pass. Good grief....
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Post by UberCranky on Aug 3, 2020 20:01:10 GMT -5
This series is going to separate the man from the boi toys.
So far, Drouin is ducking his way into top spot on the Boi Toy wagon.
Kulak is trying to cement his way into top 4.
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Post by folatre on Aug 3, 2020 20:07:56 GMT -5
Playing from behind is playing with fire because if a Canadien d-man pinches and fails or all three forwards get caught below the dots, danger will be coming back in the other direction. Price had better continue to be really good or trouble is probably right around the corner tonight.
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 3, 2020 20:25:17 GMT -5
They cant make a pass to save their lives
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 3, 2020 20:27:14 GMT -5
Another PP.
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 3, 2020 20:28:40 GMT -5
I looked up black hole in the dictionary and Drouin's picture was there...
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 3, 2020 20:29:28 GMT -5
Someone needs to lose their job over this pp futility...
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Post by UberCranky on Aug 3, 2020 20:33:17 GMT -5
Seriously...drouin is starting to make me wonder if there is something wrong with him.
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Post by Skilly on Aug 3, 2020 20:34:04 GMT -5
A full 1:20 of that PP was inside Pitts zone ...along the boards trying to gain possession!! And they won the face-off!
Whoever is involved in coaching the PP, needs to be shown the door. There is no fluidity , they are hoping for a broken pkay instead of making a pass.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 3, 2020 20:36:30 GMT -5
Wow, Carey keeping it 1-0 .
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Post by Skilly on Aug 3, 2020 20:37:04 GMT -5
Price keeping it close
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Post by UberCranky on Aug 3, 2020 20:39:58 GMT -5
So far...other then price....we look like what we are. Pffffft....
The only upside....I don't card either way.
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