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Post by PTH on Aug 4, 2020 4:10:25 GMT -5
However, at his point in time, I think it looks rather clear that no GM in the league would prefer Drouin on his roster over Sergachev and it really is not even close. Yeah, though in fairness, Sergachev was an unknown quantity at the time of the trade, a lot of highly rated prospects have flamed out. The Bolts took some risk there, to me the problem is mostly Drouin's play going downhill rather than Sergachev working out particularly well. If Drouin was scoring 25 and getting 60 points while helping one of the top lines perform, we could just focus on that. But when Drouin's most noticeable plays were his turnovers, and his non-mistakes were meat and potato dump-ins that Weise can do just as well, it's hard to have positive thoughts for him...
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Post by Skilly on Aug 4, 2020 5:46:38 GMT -5
Bergevin saw the great French hope... he's turned into the great French hopeless... just sad we gave up a top pair left D for that waste of talent... The warning signs were there and many posters on this very board pointed them out. I didn’t mind the deal at the time but it’s not my job to do due diligence for the Habs. The team badly needed scoring and Bergevin chose Drouin over Radulov. Not directly of course But when contract time came up there’s no way Berg’s expectations for JD didn’t factor in. It’s especially strange since MB is such a good judge of character. 😇 The Drouin deal, at the time was ok. It was the first (and only?) time MB went out of his way to make a trade for offensive potential that we needed. But, we needed to add to the roster. Not resigning Radulov made that a terrible trade. We didn’t add to the offence. Which was the point of the Drouin trade. Acquiring Drouin somehow made Radulov expendable, and that was the wrong way of thinking , while leaving 8 million on the books
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Post by jkr on Aug 4, 2020 6:56:58 GMT -5
Bergevin saw the great French hope... he's turned into the great French hopeless... just sad we gave up a top pair left D for that waste of talent... The warning signs were there and many posters on this very board pointed them out. I didn’t mind the deal at the time but it’s not my job to do due diligence for the Habs. The team badly needed scoring and Bergevin chose Drouin over Radulov. Not directly of course But when contract time came up there’s no way Berg’s expectations for JD didn’t factor in. It’s especially strange since MB is such a good judge of character. 😇 You mention character & that is why I didn't like this trade. I still can't get past the fact that went sent to the minors by TB, he bailed. He refused to report & put himself ahead of his team.its just another bad call to add to Bergevin's list.
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 4, 2020 7:36:13 GMT -5
The warning signs were there and many posters on this very board pointed them out. I didn’t mind the deal at the time but it’s not my job to do due diligence for the Habs. The team badly needed scoring and Bergevin chose Drouin over Radulov. Not directly of course But when contract time came up there’s no way Berg’s expectations for JD didn’t factor in. It’s especially strange since MB is such a good judge of character. 😇 You mention character & that is why I didn't like this trade. I still can't get past the fact that went sent to the minors by TB, he bailed. He refused to report & put himself ahead of his team.its just another bad call to add to Bergevin's list. True, MB values character above all else, that's why he picks up lesser players because of the Character factor. When Drouin did not report to the minors, that sent up red flags to all GMs in the league... But MB could look past that because Drouin ticked all the boxes for him.
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 4, 2020 7:40:16 GMT -5
However, at his point in time, I think it looks rather clear that no GM in the league would prefer Drouin on his roster over Sergachev and it really is not even close. Yeah, though in fairness, Sergachev was an unknown quantity at the time of the trade, a lot of highly rated prospects have flamed out. The Bolts took some risk there, to me the problem is mostly Drouin's play going downhill rather than Sergachev working out particularly well. If Drouin was scoring 25 and getting 60 points while helping one of the top lines perform, we could just focus on that. But when Drouin's most noticeable plays were his turnovers, and his non-mistakes were meat and potato dump-ins that Weise can do just as well, it's hard to have positive thoughts for him... The Bolts got rid of a problem child and they got a highly touted prospect that their coaching staff could work with and bring along slowly because they had the horses on D to be able to do that. They took no risk at all because at a minimum they got cap relief when they needed it most... Yzerman owned MB on that trade imo...
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Post by UberCranky on Aug 4, 2020 8:00:56 GMT -5
Yeah, though in fairness, Sergachev was an unknown quantity at the time of the trade, a lot of highly rated prospects have flamed out. The Bolts took some risk there, to me the problem is mostly Drouin's play going downhill rather than Sergachev working out particularly well. If Drouin was scoring 25 and getting 60 points while helping one of the top lines perform, we could just focus on that. But when Drouin's most noticeable plays were his turnovers, and his non-mistakes were meat and potato dump-ins that Weise can do just as well, it's hard to have positive thoughts for him... The Bolts got rid of a problem child and they got a highly touted prospect that their coaching staff could work with and bring along slowly because they had the horses on D to be able to do that. They took no risk at all because at a minimum they got cap relief when they needed it most... Yzerman owned MB on that trade imo... That trade was classic. Yzerman played Bbinz for all he was worth. Meanwhile....we have to live with the consequences.
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Post by franko on Aug 4, 2020 9:13:02 GMT -5
You mention character & that is why I didn't like this trade. I still can't get past the fact that went sent to the minors by TB, he bailed. He refused to report & put himself ahead of his team.its just another bad call to add to Bergevin's list. True, MB values character above all else, that's why he picks up lesser players because of the Character factor. When Drouin did not report to the minors, that sent up red flags to all GMs in the league... But MB could look past that because Drouin ticked all the boxes for him. would not reporting to the minors NOT tick the "character" box?
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 4, 2020 9:33:05 GMT -5
And Berg threw in a conditional second rounder that only came back to the Habs since Sergachev was good enough to play at least 42 games with Tampa that next season on a stacked defensive roster.
Yzerman got such much needed cap room, moved a guy with some character question marks within the organization, got a stud young prospect and almost a second round pick.
Berg downgraded from Radulov to Drouin instead of having both (as Skilly mentioned) and he also gutted his left side D by trading away Sergachev, not resigning Markov (if you want loyalty, buy a dog), and losing Emelin in the expansion draft. He then signed Alzner to that big deal to fill in part of the huge hole.
Since then the Habs have often struggled to score and have had a massive void on LD. That one trade and all those dominoes was an epic fail for Berg. He has done much better with other moves, but he does not get a pass for that huge pile of steaming mess that he created and is still wearing.
Back to the game: I guess rumours of us getting for the play-ins the “good” Drouin that played so well to start the season are grossly exaggerated. As others have mentioned, what is going on between those ears? He was talking a good talk in phase 2 and 3.
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 4, 2020 10:05:33 GMT -5
True, MB values character above all else, that's why he picks up lesser players because of the Character factor. When Drouin did not report to the minors, that sent up red flags to all GMs in the league... But MB could look past that because Drouin ticked all the boxes for him. would not reporting to the minors NOT tick the "character" box? True, but there were other more important boxes...
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 4, 2020 10:36:49 GMT -5
And Berg threw in a conditional second rounder that only came back to the Habs since Sergachev was good enough to play at least 42 games with Tampa that next season on a stacked defensive roster. Yzerman got such much needed cap room, moved a guy with some character question marks within the organization, got a stud young prospect and almost a second round pick. Berg downgraded from Radulov to Drouin instead of having both (as Skilly mentioned) and he also gutted his left side D by trading away Sergachev, not resigning Markov (if you want loyalty, buy a dog), and losing Emelin in the expansion draft. He then signed Alzner to that big deal to fill in part of the huge hole. Since then the Habs have often struggled to score and have had a massive void on LD. That one trade and all those dominoes was an epic fail for Berg. He has done much better with other moves, but he does not get a pass for that huge pile of steaming mess that he created and is still wearing. Back to the game: I guess rumours of us getting for the play-ins the “good” Drouin that played so well to start the season are grossly exaggerated. As others have mentioned, what is going on between those ears? He was talking a good talk in phase 2 and 3. I screamed about giving cap space away for free at the time.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 4, 2020 10:42:08 GMT -5
Yeah, though in fairness, Sergachev was an unknown quantity at the time of the trade, a lot of highly rated prospects have flamed out. The Bolts took some risk there, to me the problem is mostly Drouin's play going downhill rather than Sergachev working out particularly well. If Drouin was scoring 25 and getting 60 points while helping one of the top lines perform, we could just focus on that. But when Drouin's most noticeable plays were his turnovers, and his non-mistakes were meat and potato dump-ins that Weise can do just as well, it's hard to have positive thoughts for him... The Bolts got rid of a problem child and they got a highly touted prospect that their coaching staff could work with and bring along slowly because they had the horses on D to be able to do that. They took no risk at all because at a minimum they got cap relief when they needed it most... Yzerman owned MB on that trade imo... I initially liked the trade because it proved to me that Marc Bergevin gave up something big to get something big in return ... what I didn't like about the trade was that Tampa already proved they could win without Jonathan Drouin, so Steve Yzerman basically moved a spare part out and brought in the one player they were missing; a young, blue-chip defensive stud ... yet, the trade has proven two things, IMHO ... a. While Drouin looked the best he ever has coming out of the blocks this season, he still needs elite teammates in order to be an elite winger, and b. Mikhail Sergachev is developing into the type of d-man Yzerman thought he'd be getting in the trade; a future anchor for the Tampa blue line corps. Cheers.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 4, 2020 13:40:33 GMT -5
Yeah, though in fairness, Sergachev was an unknown quantity at the time of the trade, a lot of highly rated prospects have flamed out. The Bolts took some risk there, to me the problem is mostly Drouin's play going downhill rather than Sergachev working out particularly well. If Drouin was scoring 25 and getting 60 points while helping one of the top lines perform, we could just focus on that. But when Drouin's most noticeable plays were his turnovers, and his non-mistakes were meat and potato dump-ins that Weise can do just as well, it's hard to have positive thoughts for him... The Bolts got rid of a problem child and they got a highly touted prospect that their coaching staff could work with and bring along slowly because they had the horses on D to be able to do that. They took no risk at all because at a minimum they got cap relief when they needed it most... Yzerman owned MB on that trade imo... That's one of the things that galled me the most. Yzerman was under CAP pressure and Berg helped him out, for nothing in return. Remember too, that he threw in a 2nd rounder just in case Sergachev wasn't working out. Bergie should have picked up Tampa's 1st rounder in addition to Drouin. That's the cost of CAP relief.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 4, 2020 13:42:44 GMT -5
I guess rumours of us getting for the play-ins the “good” Drouin that played so well to start the season are grossly exaggerated. As others have mentioned, what is going on between those ears? He was talking a good talk in phase 2 and 3. With this organization, you take what they say and throw it in the dumpster. You just wait until their actions talk because that's the truth. Naturally that's true of most things, but especially for these guys. When Gainey was GM, even if he didn't say much, you could take what he said to the Bank. With these guys you buy puts on what they say.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 4, 2020 13:49:45 GMT -5
However, at his point in time, I think it looks rather clear that no GM in the league would prefer Drouin on his roster over Sergachev and it really is not even close. Yeah, though in fairness, Sergachev was an unknown quantity at the time of the trade, a lot of highly rated prospects have flamed out. The Bolts took some risk there, to me the problem is mostly Drouin's play going downhill rather than Sergachev working out particularly well. If Drouin was scoring 25 and getting 60 points while helping one of the top lines perform, we could just focus on that. But when Drouin's most noticeable plays were his turnovers, and his non-mistakes were meat and potato dump-ins that Weise can do just as well, it's hard to have positive thoughts for him... True nothing was proven at the time, but there were serious concerns about Drouin's character and Yzerman is not exactly an idiot, so more care should have been paid to that. But...when someone who hasn't gotten laid in years sees who they've been lusting for, their reasoning tends to go out the window. Adding to that is the fact Sergachev played a high demand, low supply position and Drouin doesn't. I'm not saying I saw all this at the time, but these concerns were all brought up by others and were legitimate red flags. I started getting worried when it took all of 20 minutes for Berg to sign JD to a new contract. Someone was obviously infatuated.
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