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Post by CentreHice on Aug 6, 2020 22:21:29 GMT -5
Conflicted. Apt term, BC.
The playoffs have always been free of "It's better if my team loses" elements such as better lottery odds/draft position.
I don't know if other methods were proposed...but therein lies the conflict.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 7, 2020 0:44:56 GMT -5
More proof that bad goaltending kills. Murray has not been good enough and the the Petry goal was a bad one. Great shot, but an NHL goalie should not let that in. Adequate goaltending is a must. Niemi in 2010 is proof positive. No one will ever say he was a good goalie (ups and downs) but he didn't kill the Hawks that year and the talent they had and the depth looked after the rest.
Jarry has to start the next game. Please, Mike.
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Post by Skilly on Aug 7, 2020 5:40:14 GMT -5
We all are. I don't remember any other time in my lifetime were losing was prefferable to winning. My nightmare is we win and then get swept. The Bolts are just too much for us. So what if we won one series, getting swept will set our swagger back down to baby crawl. The reason we are doing well with the Pigeons is that we match up physically and speed wise. Then shutting down their superstars is not the nog3htmare i thought it would be. Pleae forgive me Hockey Gods... ...GO SID GO My nightmare is we lose, end up drafting 9th, and the guy doesn't play for 3 years and ends up a bust (Conversely, we draft number 1 and are disappointed as well ) all the while Philly is #1 seed, Toronto beats Tampa, Isles beat Boston ...and the path to the Conference Finals became a whole lots easier from the #8 seed
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Post by Boston_Habs on Aug 7, 2020 7:16:59 GMT -5
I’m not conflicted at all.
There will be no ill effects from losing this series. None.
And our chances at winning the Cup are far less than 12.5%, IMO
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Post by CentreHice on Aug 7, 2020 7:40:02 GMT -5
I’m not conflicted at all. There will be no ill effects from losing this series. None. And our chances at winning the Cup are far less than 12.5%, IMO While true, it still goes against the grain to cheer against one's team in the playoffs which have never--in my memory--had ramifications for the future re: lottery odds and drafting position. In terms of percentages, the playoffs have always been "100% go for it" with "0% penalty" for winning a series. The league created the conflict by placing an incentive to lose in the show. Par for the bizarro course, I guess.
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Post by BadCompany on Aug 7, 2020 9:00:29 GMT -5
We all are. I don't remember any other time in my lifetime were losing was prefferable to winning. My nightmare is we win and then get swept. The Bolts are just too much for us. So what if we won one series, getting swept will set our swagger back down to baby crawl. The reason we are doing well with the Pigeons is that we match up physically and speed wise. Then shutting down their superstars is not the nog3htmare i thought it would be. Pleae forgive me Hockey Gods... ...GO SID GO My nightmare is we lose, end up drafting 9th, and the guy doesn't play for 3 years and ends up a bust (Conversely, we draft number 1 and are disappointed as well ) all the while Philly is #1 seed, Toronto beats Tampa, Isles beat Boston ...and the path to the Conference Finals became a whole lots easier from the #8 seed We all are. I don't remember any other time in my lifetime were losing was prefferable to winning. My nightmare is we win and then get swept. The Bolts are just too much for us. So what if we won one series, getting swept will set our swagger back down to baby crawl. The reason we are doing well with the Pigeons is that we match up physically and speed wise. Then shutting down their superstars is not the nog3htmare i thought it would be. Pleae forgive me Hockey Gods... ...GO SID GO My nightmare is we lose, end up drafting 9th, and the guy doesn't play for 3 years and ends up a bust (Conversely, we draft number 1 and are disappointed as well ) all the while Philly is #1 seed, Toronto beats Tampa, Isles beat Boston ...and the path to the Conference Finals became a whole lots easier from the #8 seed You guys don't have scary enough dreams. We get blown out in the next two games, Toronto loses to Columbus yet still wins the lottery, Boston wins the Cup.
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Post by franko on Aug 7, 2020 10:18:42 GMT -5
You guys don't have scary enough dreams. We get blown out in the next two games, Toronto loses to Columbus yet still wins the lottery, Boston wins the Cup. thank you so much for bringing up such a painful subject. While you're at it, why don't you give me a nice paper cut and pour lemon juice on it?
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Post by Boston_Habs on Aug 7, 2020 13:31:02 GMT -5
My nightmare is we win the series and Pittsburgh wins the lottery because wouldn't that just be our luck?
BTW. Vegas has the Habs at 100-1 odds to win the Cup. Again, the rational mind tells me this is simple. Take the 12.5% shot to get a franchise player over the 1% shot to win a title. Playoff experience is nice and all but nobody cares or remembers who even loses in the Finals, much less in the 1st or 2nd round.
And it's not like this is the "knocking on the door" year, with a team clearly on the rise and just in need of some playoff experience to toughen them up. That's not us. There are some nice pieces emerging but still way too many holes and weaknesses to consider ourselves a legit team-on-the-rise.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 7, 2020 13:43:07 GMT -5
Besides, this play-in thing is playoff hockey anyway, so the kids have gotten experience. Done. Satisfied. Put a tick mark on that box and move on to the Lafreniere lottery.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 7, 2020 13:43:46 GMT -5
You guys don't have scary enough dreams. We get blown out in the next two games, Toronto loses to Columbus yet still wins the lottery, Boston wins the Cup. thank you so much for bringing up such a painful subject. While you're at it, why don't you give me a nice paper cut and pour lemon juice on it? Rubbing alcohol for real pain, you wuss.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 7, 2020 13:51:29 GMT -5
I’m not conflicted at all. There will be no ill effects from losing this series. None. And our chances at winning the Cup are far less than 12.5%, IMO While true, it still goes against the grain to cheer against one's team in the playoffs which have never--in my memory--had ramifications for the future re: lottery odds and drafting position. In terms of percentages, the playoffs have always been "100% go for it" with "0% penalty" for winning a series. The league created the conflict by placing an incentive to lose in the show. Par for the bizarro course, I guess. Unless you have some mystical powers, our hoping or not hoping for a team has zero effect. Lafleur did not tie up the Boston game because there was 1 more Hab fan than Bruin fans wishing for a win. I like seeing Suzuki and Kotka making great plays and I cheer them like crazy. But I cheer even more if the Pens win and we improve our team that much more for the 2022/23 season and the coming decade. I'm really tired of these mediocre and worse teams. I can especially identify because I'm a big Raptors fan and winning the title last year was thrilling and amazingly satisfying. Astounding the critics by continuing to win this year despite losing a top 3 NBA player is almost as satisfying. The cool thing is I fully expect the Raps to win it again. I see the improvement in a few key players, the continued high standards of the older vets and the commitment of the players to play hard and I fully expect to win every game. If they lose, it's just a bad shooting night that happens now and then. It's not quite at the level of the 76-78 Habs but I love the confidence. With today's Habs, I'm just happy to not be embarrassed.
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Post by CentreHice on Aug 7, 2020 15:36:22 GMT -5
No mystical fan powers? Come on! Next you'll be saying the hockey gods don't exist...nor do...[GASP]...the Forum ghosts! That said, I'm open to Skilly's jinx.
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Post by Skilly on Aug 7, 2020 16:00:22 GMT -5
What does Vegas know ? The Blues were 250:1 odds last year
I say that facetiously, but we always clamour about the need to win to develop a winning culture and environment for the young players and to win to attract UFAs .... losing gets us a chance at #1 (doesn’t guarantee it), but winning? Winning begets winning
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Post by PTH on Aug 7, 2020 20:06:45 GMT -5
... but we always clamour about the need to win to develop a winning culture and environment for the young players and to win to attract UFAs .... losing gets us a chance at #1 (doesn’t guarantee it), but winning? Winning begets winning Agree 2000%.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 7, 2020 20:26:50 GMT -5
What does Vegas know ? The Blues were 250:1 odds last year I say that facetiously, but we always clamour about the need to win to develop a winning culture and environment for the young players and to win to attract UFAs .... losing gets us a chance at #1 (doesn’t guarantee it), but winning? Winning begets winning Well said, man ... Cheers.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 8, 2020 0:44:12 GMT -5
What does Vegas know ? The Blues were 250:1 odds last year I say that facetiously, but we always clamour about the need to win to develop a winning culture and environment for the young players and to win to attract UFAs .... losing gets us a chance at #1 (doesn’t guarantee it), but winning? Winning begets winning The Toronto Raptors were a winning organization for several years. Quite a good one. Yet never good enough to get past the second round, until Masai Ujiri rolled the dice to get an elite player. They immediately won the ultimate prize. Yes, winning is important, but it's the result of doing a lot of things right. Winning a good percentage of games by itself doesn't win championships. The Blues are another example. They tried for years, with winning records, but until they got O'Reilly and until Binnington came along, they were perpetual bridesmaids. Winning one best of 5 series injects confidence into a team, at least until they run into a better, equally hard working and sacrificing team with more talent. Winning this play in has cost us in talent and while it's worth celebrating, it's also a step back.
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Post by Skilly on Aug 8, 2020 7:02:34 GMT -5
It ain’t a step back until we lose
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Post by seventeen on Aug 8, 2020 12:40:21 GMT -5
It ain’t a step back until we lose Comin up.
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