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Post by Anardil1 on Aug 22, 2020 17:32:20 GMT -5
Steve Yzerman has two young d-men in his lineup that are on ELCs and will probably be part of his plan moving forward; Mikhail Sergachev, LD, 22 years old, and Erik Cernak, RD, 23 years old ... if the Habs were to tender an offer sheet to either, I suspect they'd have a better chance at landing Cernak ... of the two, I can see Yzerman wanting to keep Sergachev as heir-apparent to Victor Hedman ... he'd have to do some juggling with the cap space, but at the same time, he'd probably have an easier time of matching an offer sheet on Cernak than he would on Sergachev ... as far as those draft picks go, it wouldn't surprise if we were to learn that Marc Bergevin, Trevor Timmins and Shayne Churla are working on a draft strategy that doesn't include drafting 14 players ... that might come across as waiting for "The Great Pumpkin" again (thanks, Phil), but I'm expecting Bergevin to either improve the team's drafting position or land a bonafide (insert whatever he's looking for here) ... we'll see, I guess ... Cheers. Sergachev and Cernak play for the Red Wings now!!! . . . . . . . Brisebois is the one making roster decisions in Tampa now...
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 22, 2020 17:42:08 GMT -5
Steve Yzerman has two young d-men in his lineup that are on ELCs and will probably be part of his plan moving forward; Mikhail Sergachev, LD, 22 years old, and Erik Cernak, RD, 23 years old ... if the Habs were to tender an offer sheet to either, I suspect they'd have a better chance at landing Cernak ... of the two, I can see Yzerman wanting to keep Sergachev as heir-apparent to Victor Hedman ... he'd have to do some juggling with the cap space, but at the same time, he'd probably have an easier time of matching an offer sheet on Cernak than he would on Sergachev ... as far as those draft picks go, it wouldn't surprise if we were to learn that Marc Bergevin, Trevor Timmins and Shayne Churla are working on a draft strategy that doesn't include drafting 14 players ... that might come across as waiting for "The Great Pumpkin" again (thanks, Phil), but I'm expecting Bergevin to either improve the team's drafting position or land a bonafide (insert whatever he's looking for here) ... we'll see, I guess ... Cheers. Sergachev and Cernak play for the Red Wings now!!! . . . . . . . Brisebois is the one making roster decisions in Tampa now... Hah! Thanks, buds, I totally forgot that ... good to see you checking in, by the way ... Cheers.
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 23, 2020 12:38:32 GMT -5
I do not question the body of work of Gallagher's career, but the post-season makes me wonder about what lengths Montreal should go to re-sign him. He will be 29 when his next contract kicks in and frankly I consider 7 x 7 to be bad business for the club considering age, injuries, peak productivity (54 points), and playoff productivity (11 goals in 49 games). Depends on what Gallagher wants. He was injured in playoffs. I would go 5x5. Any more be asking around for trade partner next February.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 23, 2020 13:31:34 GMT -5
I really like the NBA agreement, where the maximumm contract length is 5 years. That's long enough (especially at the salaries paid in the NBA) for players to set themselves up for life, but it's no so long that a bad contract kills a team for an eternity. Frankly, I would try as much as possible (allowing for exceptions like McDavid) to keep my contracts to 5 years max.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 23, 2020 13:35:17 GMT -5
I do not question the body of work of Gallagher's career, but the post-season makes me wonder about what lengths Montreal should go to re-sign him. He will be 29 when his next contract kicks in and frankly I consider 7 x 7 to be bad business for the club considering age, injuries, peak productivity (54 points), and playoff productivity (11 goals in 49 games). Depends on what Gallagher wants. He was injured in playoffs. I would go 5x5. Any more be asking around for trade partner next February. I know BC has been trying to trade Gallagher for some time now but I would offer a 7 year contract to him. I equate him in a way to Brian Gionta. Gallagher plays a game that's much harder on the body, but I think he proved this year that his leadership is essential to the team. I think they were 5-7 when he was missing from the lineup. It may be my opinion alone, but I think he's more important to the team than Weber as far as leadership goes. I was ready to make him captain the year the team voted Patches in, even if he was young. I think you give him the 7 years and replace some other expensive vets.
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 23, 2020 15:08:19 GMT -5
I really like the NBA agreement, where the maximumm contract length is 5 years. That's long enough (especially at the salaries paid in the NBA) for players to set themselves up for life, but it's no so long that a bad contract kills a team for an eternity. Frankly, I would try as much as possible (allowing for exceptions like McDavid) to keep my contracts to 5 years max. I agree with 5 year max except 1 franchise player designation... and the franchise player should not be included in the cap
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 23, 2020 18:13:16 GMT -5
Sergachev and Cernak play for the Red Wings now!!! . . . . . . . Brisebois is the one making roster decisions in Tampa now... Hah! Thanks, buds, I totally forgot that ... good to see you checking in, by the way ... Cheers. Why do I not have confidence that Bergevin will outwit Yzerman or Brisebois, two inexperienced lightweights who haven’t been As successful in their careers.
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 24, 2020 6:22:25 GMT -5
Hah! Thanks, buds, I totally forgot that ... good to see you checking in, by the way ... Cheers. Why do I not have confidence that Bergevin will outwit Yzerman or Brisebois, two inexperienced lightweights who haven’t been As successful in their careers. I would probably avoid them. Aim for teams where covid hit them hard.
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Post by Tankdriver on Aug 24, 2020 8:17:50 GMT -5
I think Florida is the place to go...Another disappointing season, looking to cut salary. I know Hoffman and Dandonov are UFA's and should help relieve that cap crunch but man Huburdeau would look good in red, white and blue.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 24, 2020 8:42:32 GMT -5
Gally’s deal will play a big part in this team’s architecture. We all heard how Berg, Muller, Weber and Price talked about Gally...heart and soul, leader, etc. I cannot see Berg moving him and he also likes to thrown money and term at guys he likes. If we were worried about Shaw’s durability based on his concussion history and style of play (and we were right this season and return to play for sure), then Gally’s durability has to be a red flag. On the other hand, his 30 goals, his leadership through the way he plays, and his persona would leave a massive void in the lineup.
I also think that Petry continues to show how important mobility and puck movement are with defenders right now. There is a huge drop off after Petry on the right side as Juulsen, Fleury and Brook all have ways to go. We see that Weber is still a horse and can eat huge minutes, but he is going to continue to slow down over long seasons and more hard minutes. And he was never a puck mover. I know Petry would get us a really good return, but Berg needs to keep this team competitive. We may not have truly earned our way into the playoffs this season with our dismal regular season performance, but the team did serve up 10 games of a really good taster of post season play for fans and media alike. The expectation for next season can only be more of the same, not a step back to missing out of the playoffs for yet another one of Berg’s years as GM. If Berg is selling that the future is bright, then a season with a gutted lineup for more rebuilding probably would mean his head.
Domi and Tatar, on the other hand, are likely going to be in play if it gets the right return. The challenge will be replacing their regular season offence if you move them, because the team needs to add offensive weapons rather than subtract them.
I just wonder what was on the table with all those trade deadline talks between Berg and both Colorado and Minny. Do they resurrect this off season? Heck, technically he and Minny can talk and make a deal now. Berg does love his summer “hockey deals”, so I do expect something to happen before all our pending free agents are up for renewal.
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 24, 2020 8:43:57 GMT -5
I think Florida is the place to go...Another disappointing season, looking to cut salary. I know Hoffman and Dandonov are UFA's and should help relieve that cap crunch but man Huburdeau would look good in red, white and blue. Yeah, Huberdeau be great fit with either Suzuki or KK. I am not saying it will happen but would not surprise me if they traded Domi for another first. to take a shot at a scorer like Quinn. I have a hunch. Many connecting dots there. Take the extra cap money from trading Domi and sign a Hall. Not as many bidders this off season as usual. Maybe door opens up a star UFA signs here. No inside info just my gut feeling. Quinn and Hall.
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Post by franko on Aug 24, 2020 10:31:50 GMT -5
I am not saying it will happen but would not surprise me if they traded Domi for another first. if we see that Domi just doesn't quite have it wouldn't other GMs? and if he isn't up to the job why would they give us their first? I guess our first and Domi to move up a couple of spots but if other teams are rebuilding wouldn't they avoid our guys so they can look to the future?
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Post by folatre on Aug 24, 2020 11:30:12 GMT -5
I am not saying it will happen but would not surprise me if they traded Domi for another first. if we see that Domi just doesn't quite have it wouldn't other GMs? and if he isn't up to the job why would they give us their first? I guess our first and Domi to move up a couple of spots but if other teams are rebuilding wouldn't they avoid our guys so they can look to the future? The rumour about Domi to Buffalo makes some degree of sense if one accepts two basic underlying assumptions. First, Kevyn Adams is under immense pressure to make the playoffs next season because basically the Pegulas (and Eichel) are fed up and will no longer allow the front office to work patiently and organically to make the team better. Second, Adams and Krueger see Domi as a legit second line centre who lost his way this season because of a revolving door of linemates, a coach that he does not get along with, and frustration over being in a contract year. However, those are two big IFs. And even if there is fire where there is smoke, there is no guarantee that Bergevin, himself a GM under immense pressure to make the playoffs next season, would want an attractive future oriented asset like the 8th overall pick because that kid is not playing in the NHL next season.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 24, 2020 13:12:50 GMT -5
if we see that Domi just doesn't quite have it wouldn't other GMs? and if he isn't up to the job why would they give us their first? I guess our first and Domi to move up a couple of spots but if other teams are rebuilding wouldn't they avoid our guys so they can look to the future? The rumour about Domi to Buffalo makes some degree of sense if one accepts two basic underlying assumptions. First, Kevyn Adams is under immense pressure to make the playoffs next season because basically the Pegulas (and Eichel) are fed up and will no longer allow the front office to work patiently and organically to make the team better. Second, Adams and Krueger see Domi as a legit second line centre who lost his way this season because of a revolving door of linemates, a coach that he does not get along with, and frustration over being in a contract year. However, those are two big IFs. And even if there is fire where there is smoke, there is no guarantee that Bergevin, himself a GM under immense pressure to make the playoffs next season, would want an attractive future oriented asset like the 8th overall pick because that kid is not playing in the NHL next season. I shouldn't be surprised but it's fascinating how one decision sets the path for an organization. My personal opinion (naturally) is that that one decision for the Habs happened way back when Subban was negotiating that first contract after his entry level. Bergevin's lack of faith in Subban resulted in a bridge contract instead of a long term, cheaper one, which led to the $9MM contract, where Molson had to step in, which pi$$ed off Bergevin big time, which led to his obsession with trading PK, which led to him getting Weber, which shortened the time frame for the team for winning, which is now influencing all kinds of decisions, including not trading off Tatar or others at the deadline in February, etc. etc. The branches start to go all over the place. And we still aren't in a definite win now (too many older key players) nor a win later (no elite defenseman, though at least the centre issue finally seems resolved) because of the lack of overall talent. It's still flying by the seat of the pants. So what does MB decide if he's offered the #8 pick for Domi? Me, Id do it in a heartbeat, but then I'd also trade Weber, Tatar and Drouin and reset my timeline for 2 years down the road. MB won't do that because he's in this quandary where he needs to win now and the #8 pick is not going to help him do that even if it's the best decision for the franchise. I have found his lack of judgment and planning so frustrating. You compare that to Colorado, with Joe Sakic taking over in 2013, a year after Berg. The team had some core pieces, Ryan O'Rielly (who had a reputation for hard bargaining), Matt Duchene and Landeskog, but it wasn't a very good team he inherited. The defense had Erik Johnson and Tyson Barrie but Ryan O'Byrne played 3/4 of that shortened 48 game season. Sakic's teams actually improved initially (having the pick for McKinnon helped) and had one decent season of 95 points, but mostly some really bad ones. They finished 2017 with 48 points. Forty eight points. Think about that. They took the route MB and Molson have never wanted to go. Besides McKinnon, they were able to get Rantanen at 10 and Makar at 4. Their drafting hasn't actually been good after the first round, but they hit on some great players with their earlier picks. And Sakic has been pretty good with trades. The Duchene deal was a cornerstone which got them Byram and Girard. Barrie for Kadri looks really good right now. Burakovsky for 2nd and 3rd round picks. Donskoi as a UFA. The O'Rielly deal wasn't great, but Zadorov is a pretty solid dman. The Avs have a team we'd kill for, and they're going to be good for another 5 years at least. They still have Newhook, Timmins and Byram coming! Some really good work there by Sakic, but a key part was the willingness to suck for 4-5 years to get those top picks who make a difference. His trades have been impactful. He's gotten guys who make a difference, instead of Drouins and Webers and Domis. We're being conned, guys. And its continuing. Sigh.
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Post by PTH on Aug 24, 2020 16:36:45 GMT -5
Max Domi just deleted links to Habs in his Instagram bio. Twitter abounds with rumors of an imminent move, possible for Gaudreau.
I wonder how many of those are based on the mistaken assumption that Gaudreau speaks French...
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Post by folatre on Aug 24, 2020 18:17:25 GMT -5
Gaudreau is an offensive force in comparison to Domi so I would happily accept that deal, though I am not quite sure why Calgary would.
However, in the event this happens, I certainly hope that it is merely the first step in remaking the winger group on the Habs roster. Because adding another super-small guy no matter how super-skilled is not addressing one of the glaring issues. So my thought process is great let's take Gaudreau and subtract a couple more small wingers.
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Post by jkr on Aug 24, 2020 18:50:18 GMT -5
Max Domi just deleted links to Habs in his Instagram bio. Twitter abounds with rumors of an imminent move, possible for Gaudreau. I wonder how many of those are based on the mistaken assumption that Gaudreau speaks French... Like Patrick Marleau.
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 26, 2020 5:57:16 GMT -5
Gally’s deal will play a big part in this team’s architecture. We all heard how Berg, Muller, Weber and Price talked about Gally...heart and soul, leader, etc. I cannot see Berg moving him and he also likes to thrown money and term at guys he likes. If we were worried about Shaw’s durability based on his concussion history and style of play (and we were right this season and return to play for sure), then Gally’s durability has to be a red flag. On the other hand, his 30 goals, his leadership through the way he plays, and his persona would leave a massive void in the lineup. I also think that Petry continues to show how important mobility and puck movement are with defenders right now. There is a huge drop off after Petry on the right side as Juulsen, Fleury and Brook all have ways to go. We see that Weber is still a horse and can eat huge minutes, but he is going to continue to slow down over long seasons and more hard minutes. And he was never a puck mover. I know Petry would get us a really good return, but Berg needs to keep this team competitive. We may not have truly earned our way into the playoffs this season with our dismal regular season performance, but the team did serve up 10 games of a really good taster of post season play for fans and media alike. The expectation for next season can only be more of the same, not a step back to missing out of the playoffs for yet another one of Berg’s years as GM. If Berg is selling that the future is bright, then a season with a gutted lineup for more rebuilding probably would mean his head. Domi and Tatar, on the other hand, are likely going to be in play if it gets the right return. The challenge will be replacing their regular season offence if you move them, because the team needs to add offensive weapons rather than subtract them. I just wonder what was on the table with all those trade deadline talks between Berg and both Colorado and Minny. Do they resurrect this off season? Heck, technically he and Minny can talk and make a deal now. Berg does love his summer “hockey deals”, so I do expect something to happen before all our pending free agents are up for renewal. Petry be 33 in couple of months. He relies on skating and mobility. If he loses half a step going to render him useless. Or shell of himself. Because he is not fundamentally sound defensively. Most before that happens is a year, maybe 2 if everything goes right. He is going to want long term contract. Last 3 or 4 years of his contract be Alzner like Plus, Petry will fetch big return.
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 28, 2020 17:59:50 GMT -5
I wouldn't trade Danault unless get real good return. Could keep him til trade deadline. Get 75% of a season out of him. Pageau return 1,2 3. Danault will fetch that.
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Post by folatre on Aug 28, 2020 21:08:29 GMT -5
I do not want to trade Danault. I hope long-term security (five year term) and fair annual compensation will convince him that the grass may not be greener in what promises to be a lean time for mid-range UFAs next summer.
Pageau agreed to a contract with the Islanders (in the pre-Covid world Lamoriello judged that Pageau was worth 6 years/$30 million), otherwise they would never have given Ottawa a first rounder and second rounder. The third rounder is a fantasy because the Islanders are not winning the Cup this year and thus that condition will not be triggered.
If Danault is conviced he is worth 5 x 6 or 6 x 5 or even 5 x 5, then Bergevin will not get more than a late first or a second and third because the club acquiring Danault will simply not be able to hammer out a contract with the player and thus he will be pure rental.
Dorion got a nice offer (a 1st and a 2nd) because no one knew the pandemic was coming and a flat cap would become the new norm.
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 29, 2020 8:28:11 GMT -5
I do not want to trade Danault. I hope long-term security (five year term) and fair annual compensation will convince him that the grass may not be greener in what promises to be a lean time for mid-range UFAs next summer. Pageau agreed to a contract with the Islanders (in the pre-Covid world Lamoriello judged that Pageau was worth 6 years/$30 million), otherwise they would never have given Ottawa a first rounder and second rounder. The third rounder is a fantasy because the Islanders are not winning the Cup this year and thus that condition will not be triggered. If Danault is conviced he is worth 5 x 6 or 6 x 5 or even 5 x 5, then Bergevin will not get more than a late first or a second and third because the club acquiring Danault will simply not be able to hammer out a contract with the player and thus he will be pure rental. Dorion got a nice offer (a 1st and a 2nd) because no one knew the pandemic was coming and a flat cap would become the new norm. Danault real good player. I put him above Kapanen who fetched equal or more than Pageau. Sounds like you are over rating Covid. Out of the 3, I would pick Danault as best player.
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Post by folatre on Aug 29, 2020 9:08:42 GMT -5
Having control over the player you are acquiring matters a great deal in my opinion. Lamoriello gave up a first and a second but got a player committed to the Islanders for six years.
I agree that Rutherford basically paid a first and a second (Hallander) for Kapanen. But Kapanen is under contract for two more seasons and four seasons away from being a UFA.
Lamoriello and Rutherford would never have paid prices like that for a rental player. If Bergevin is forced to trade Danault next spring as a rental, Montreal is not getting a first and a second.
I am not saying you are overrating Danault as a hockey player. I think you are underestimating the impact that club control over a player has on the trade value. And I think a lot of people are underestimating what a tough market it is going to be for mid-range UFAs in 2020 and 2021.
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Post by jkr on Aug 29, 2020 9:48:03 GMT -5
Having control over the player you are acquiring matters a great deal in my opinion. Lamoriello gave up a first and a second but got a player committed to the Islanders for six years. I agree that Rutherford basically paid a first and a second (Hallander) for Kapanen. But Kapanen is under contract for two more seasons and four seasons away from being a UFA. Lamoriello and Rutherford would never have paid prices like that for a rental player. If Bergevin is forced to trade Danault next spring as a rental, Montreal is not getting a first and a second. I am not saying you are overrating Danault as a hockey player. I think you are underestimating the impact that club control over a player has on the trade value. And I think a lot of people are underestimating what a tough market it is going to be for mid-range UFAs in 2020 and 2021. Thanks for that explanation about Kapanen. When I first reacted to that deal, as did some journalists, I only looked at the 1st rounder given up. I understand that cap space is an asset but I had never viewed club control in that way.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 29, 2020 13:03:31 GMT -5
Having control over the player you are acquiring matters a great deal in my opinion. Lamoriello gave up a first and a second but got a player committed to the Islanders for six years. I agree that Rutherford basically paid a first and a second (Hallander) for Kapanen. But Kapanen is under contract for two more seasons and four seasons away from being a UFA. Lamoriello and Rutherford would never have paid prices like that for a rental player. If Bergevin is forced to trade Danault next spring as a rental, Montreal is not getting a first and a second. I am not saying you are overrating Danault as a hockey player. I think you are underestimating the impact that club control over a player has on the trade value. And I think a lot of people are underestimating what a tough market it is going to be for mid-range UFAs in 2020 and 2021. Now, if Berg allows the intended club to negotiate a deal with Danault, then the price goes up as it did for Pageau. I 'd like that to happen, assuming Danault's price is too high for the Habs.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 30, 2020 9:02:27 GMT -5
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Post by folatre on Aug 30, 2020 17:28:07 GMT -5
Barzal is special. It would be amazing if his dad's wish came true. However, a club lucky enough to have a 23 year old first line centre is going to throw other guys overboard before they let their star go.
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Post by jkr on Aug 30, 2020 17:33:06 GMT -5
I like the dad's long term thinking. That's funny.
The 2015 draft was the year that the Bruins had 3 straight picks & chose Zboril, Debrusk & Senyshen. Only Debrusk has turned out.
The next 3 picks were Barzal, Connor & Chabot. Could you imagine Boston with say, Barzal & Chabot instead of Zboril & Senyshen. Whew, that was close.
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 31, 2020 7:16:15 GMT -5
I wouldn't even go there. RFA centers. Islanders in cap shape to match.
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 31, 2020 7:19:22 GMT -5
I think good backup goalie needed first. Instead of ton of money on a Bazral. Playoffs, and start of last season showed a rested Carey Price is still same as 2014 and 15 Carey Price. But when he plays too much wears down fast.
Somebody who can start 30-35 games without costing team a bunch of points.
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Post by PTH on Aug 31, 2020 19:41:40 GMT -5
Having control over the player you are acquiring matters a great deal in my opinion. Lamoriello gave up a first and a second but got a player committed to the Islanders for six years. I agree that Rutherford basically paid a first and a second (Hallander) for Kapanen. But Kapanen is under contract for two more seasons and four seasons away from being a UFA. Lamoriello and Rutherford would never have paid prices like that for a rental player. If Bergevin is forced to trade Danault next spring as a rental, Montreal is not getting a first and a second. I am not saying you are overrating Danault as a hockey player. I think you are underestimating the impact that club control over a player has on the trade value. And I think a lot of people are underestimating what a tough market it is going to be for mid-range UFAs in 2020 and 2021. Now, if Berg allows the intended club to negotiate a deal with Danault, then the price goes up as it did for Pageau. I 'd like that to happen, assuming Danault's price is too high for the Habs. There was a fascinating discussion on HF about relative value of contracts and team control. Someone was proposing Domi for a guy who is signed for 2 more years, and will then be a UFA. Some people valued having a guy actually signed, whereas others said that the acquiring team could sign Domi for up to 9 years if they so desired, without risking losing him as a UFA. It was interesting how both views could make sense. Imagine moving Domi and in summer 2022 the guy we acquired walks away and we get nothing.
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