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Suzuki
Aug 19, 2020 23:58:37 GMT -5
Post by UberCranky on Aug 19, 2020 23:58:37 GMT -5
I don't want to jinx the kid, but I'm staring to get elite vibes coming through....
I'm wondering if we are looking at a 100 point superstar. His vision is elite, his shot major league and his desire is pro, his skating is fluid and while no outright speedster, very agile, top it off he has the hard packed 205 pound frame so....
..what is his top end?
Comparison?
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Suzuki
Aug 20, 2020 0:27:21 GMT -5
Post by habsorbed on Aug 20, 2020 0:27:21 GMT -5
I don't want to jinx the kid, but I'm staring to get elite vibes coming through.... I'm wondering if we are looking at a 100 point superstar. His vision is elite, his shot major league and his desire is pro, his skating is fluid and while no outright speedster, very agile, top it off he has the hard packed 205 pound frame so.... ..what is his top end? Comparison? You left out hockey IQ off the charts and defensive skills way beyond his years. As I said in other thread, Habs best forward since Saku and likely better.
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Suzuki
Aug 20, 2020 8:38:14 GMT -5
Post by Willie Dog on Aug 20, 2020 8:38:14 GMT -5
I don't want to jinx the kid, but I'm staring to get elite vibes coming through.... I'm wondering if we are looking at a 100 point superstar. His vision is elite, his shot major league and his desire is pro, his skating is fluid and while no outright speedster, very agile, top it off he has the hard packed 205 pound frame so.... ..what is his top end? Comparison? You left out hockey IQ off the charts and defensive skills way beyond his years. As I said in other thread, Habs best forward since Saku and likely better. The kid has "IT". he has the tools and the toolbox... if he had higher caliber wingers, he could hit 100 points, but he has to drag along 3rd liners along with him. Given our coaches tendency to pick favourites, Suze will be #1 in a couple of years, but I think if KK keeps going like this, we`ll have a 1a and a 1b... pretty freakin`good... Just have to get 4 wingers for them
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Suzuki
Aug 20, 2020 9:22:06 GMT -5
Post by BadCompany on Aug 20, 2020 9:22:06 GMT -5
Everyone is going to get mad at me for saying this, but stylistically he reminds me of Mike Ribeiro. Not the biggest guy, not the fastest guy, not the strongest guy, doesn't have the hardest shot, doesn't have the greatest moves, but he's just oh so smart. Ribeiro, let's not forget, had seasons of 83 and 78 points, during a dead-puck era. That 83 point season put him 13th in the league, despite having missed 6 games. That year he outscored Martin St. Louis, Dany Heatley, Eric Staal, Ryan Getzlaf, Mats Sundin, and a host of other superstars. Ribeiro was a really good player.
Now can Suzuki be better than that? It certainly looks promising, though I would be quite happy with a center who puts up 70+ points every year. I'm not sure he'll ever get much over a point-per-game (save for posterity), but if he AND Kotkaniemi are at that level then we will be in very good shape.
Pacioretty for Suzuki, Tatar, and (eventually) Mattias Norlinder and Jacob Leguerrier... not a bad deal.
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Suzuki
Aug 20, 2020 9:43:33 GMT -5
Post by frozone on Aug 20, 2020 9:43:33 GMT -5
Everyone is going to get mad at me for saying this, but stylistically he reminds me of Mike Ribeiro. Not the biggest guy, not the fastest guy, not the strongest guy, doesn't have the hardest shot, doesn't have the greatest moves, but he's just oh so smart. Ribeiro, let's not forget, had seasons of 83 and 78 points, during a dead-puck era. That 83 point season put him 13th in the league, despite having missed 6 games. That year he outscored Martin St. Louis, Dany Heatley, Eric Staal, Ryan Getzlaf, Mats Sundin, and a host of other superstars. Ribeiro was a really good player. Now can Suzuki be better than that? It certainly looks promising, though I would be quite happy with a center who puts up 70+ points every year. I'm not sure he'll ever get much over a point-per-game (save for posterity), but if he AND Kotkaniemi are at that level then we will be in very good shape. Pacioretty for Suzuki, Tatar, and (eventually) Mattias Norlinder and Jacob Leguerrier... not a bad deal. Interesting, I wouldn't have thought of Ribeiro. I like the comparison in particular for Suzuki's production and general craftiness, but I don't have fond memories of Ribeiro's defense. Stylistically, Suzuki reminds me more of Yzerman. Humble yet with a knack for big game moments. They can both beat goalies with their shot alone, and they even skate similarly imo (and that's over the entire 200 ft to boot).
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Suzuki
Aug 20, 2020 10:28:49 GMT -5
Post by folatre on Aug 20, 2020 10:28:49 GMT -5
Koivu was plenty fast until he injured his knee. I like the comparisons to Ribeiro and Yzerman.
I can see Giroux as well -- not big but sturdy, not a burner, composure and smarts, great handle, big threat shooting the puck even if pass-first mentality.
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Suzuki
Aug 20, 2020 10:57:19 GMT -5
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 20, 2020 10:57:19 GMT -5
I don't want to jinx the kid, but I'm staring to get elite vibes coming through.... I'm wondering if we are looking at a 100 point superstar. His vision is elite, his shot major league and his desire is pro, his skating is fluid and while no outright speedster, very agile, top it off he has the hard packed 205 pound frame so.... ..what is his top end? Comparison? reminds me of Koivu. Before his first knee injury against the Hawks. Not the Koivu after all the injuries
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Suzuki
Aug 20, 2020 12:24:54 GMT -5
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Post by UberCranky on Aug 20, 2020 12:24:54 GMT -5
I don't see the Koivu comparison. Suzuki is craftier with the puck and Koivu was way, WAY tougher and nastier. Koivu had almost as many penalty minutes as points and he showed leadership from minute one.
In fact, overall, i would say Kk is closer to the Koivu mold...and much bigger.
The Ribiero comparison...ouch. NO. Suzuki is faster, has a full 200 ft game, tougher and goes to the dirty areas. Then there is the character issue that is simply embarresing to even compare the two.
I'm not sure who would be the current comparison. We haven't had an real all around center for so long that had a full toolbox that I'm doing a bit of headscratching.
I keep thinking....Crosby lite?
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Suzuki
Aug 20, 2020 12:45:40 GMT -5
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Post by UberCranky on Aug 20, 2020 12:45:40 GMT -5
I'm not sure he'll ever get much over a point-per-game (save for posterity), Little Black Book: ENTRY: Aug 20, 2020 BC said "I'm not sure he'll ever get much over a point-per-game". Easy fodder for 15 years.
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Suzuki
Aug 20, 2020 13:01:56 GMT -5
Post by jkr on Aug 20, 2020 13:01:56 GMT -5
I'm not sure he'll ever get much over a point-per-game (save for posterity), Little Black Book: ENTRY: Aug 20, 2020 BC said "I'm not sure he'll ever get much over a point-per-game". Easy fodder for 15 years. Should we remind BC of the Patrick Traverse prediction?
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Suzuki
Aug 20, 2020 13:07:30 GMT -5
Post by UberCranky on Aug 20, 2020 13:07:30 GMT -5
Little Black Book: ENTRY: Aug 20, 2020 BC said "I'm not sure he'll ever get much over a point-per-game". Easy fodder for 15 years. Should we remind BC of the Patrick Traverse prediction? Shhhh....we must be better man then mention Patrick Traverse. Because Patrck Traverse was always an AHLer. Patrick Traverse was never going to be a NHLer. In fact Patrick Traverse was lucky to get a cup of coffee in the NHL. Shhhh.....don't mention his name.
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Suzuki
Aug 20, 2020 13:13:58 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 20, 2020 13:13:58 GMT -5
I don't see the Koivu comparison. Suzuki is craftier with the puck and Koivu was way, WAY tougher and nastier. Koivu had almost as many penalty minutes as points and he showed leadership from minute one. In fact, overall, i would say Kk is closer to the Koivu mold...and much bigger. The Ribiero comparison...ouch. NO. Suzuki is faster, has a full 200 ft game, tougher and goes to the dirty areas. Then there is the character issue that is simply embarresing to even compare the two. I'm not sure who would be the current comparison. We haven't had an real all around center for so long that had a full toolbox that I'm doing a bit of headscratching. I keep thinking....Crosby lite? Crafty... Koivu on the penalty shot/break away was the king of crafty...
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Suzuki
Aug 20, 2020 17:29:46 GMT -5
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Post by PTH on Aug 20, 2020 17:29:46 GMT -5
I don't see the Koivu comparison. Suzuki is craftier with the puck and Koivu was way, WAY tougher and nastier. Koivu had almost as many penalty minutes as points and he showed leadership from minute one. In fact, overall, i would say Kk is closer to the Koivu mold...and much bigger. The Ribiero comparison...ouch. NO. Suzuki is faster, has a full 200 ft game, tougher and goes to the dirty areas. Then there is the character issue that is simply embarresing to even compare the two. I'm not sure who would be the current comparison. We haven't had an real all around center for so long that had a full toolbox that I'm doing a bit of headscratching. I keep thinking....Crosby lite? Crafty... Koivu on the penalty shot/break away was the king of crafty... I see Paul Kariya in him
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Suzuki
Aug 22, 2020 17:19:51 GMT -5
Post by Anardil1 on Aug 22, 2020 17:19:51 GMT -5
I heard a talking head this week on TSN 690 say that in his opinion Suzuki has Brayden Point potential. I personally see a bit of Plekanec when I see Suzuki play, only higher hockey IQ, higher offensive potential, and sneakily dirty, like Pleky. The biggest difference between the two is that Nick has a much better shot.
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Suzuki
Aug 23, 2020 11:13:13 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 23, 2020 11:13:13 GMT -5
I heard a talking head this week on TSN 690 say that in his opinion Suzuki has Brayden Point potential. I personally see a bit of Plekanec when I see Suzuki play, only higher hockey IQ, higher offensive potential, and sneakily dirty, like Pleky. The biggest difference between the two is that Nick has a much better shot. Maybe another Patrice Bergeron ... dunno ... Cheers.
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Suzuki
Aug 23, 2020 11:35:11 GMT -5
Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 23, 2020 11:35:11 GMT -5
I like Suzuki, very much, but to anoint him at this point in his career is premature. We always forecast our kids progressing but reality is what it is and will be. Marcel Dionne became a superstar immediately while Lafleur toiled for years, peaked and and slowed. Prediction is an imperfect science.
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Suzuki
Aug 23, 2020 11:54:58 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 23, 2020 11:54:58 GMT -5
I like Suzuki, very much, but to anoint him at this point in his career is premature. We always forecast our kids progressing but reality is what it is and will be. Marcel Dionne became a superstar immediately while Lafleur toiled for years, peaked and and slowed. Prediction is an imperfect science. It's one of the least-negative threads we have on the boards and the participants look like they're having fun with it ... I respect your opinion, but I really don't see anything wrong with the thread, to be honest ... Cheers.
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Suzuki
Aug 23, 2020 13:38:34 GMT -5
Post by seventeen on Aug 23, 2020 13:38:34 GMT -5
Bergeron is probably a pretty good comparison, Dis. Patrice is a tiny bit more physical, but both are smart players who compete hard.
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Suzuki
Aug 23, 2020 16:45:01 GMT -5
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Post by Boston_Habs on Aug 23, 2020 16:45:01 GMT -5
He has the game and the confidence is growing.
I think the bar for Suzuki next year should be around the 70 point level, 25 goals, 45 assists. Where Domi was last year.
Eventually though we need that horse, someone who can get you 40 goals and 90-100 points. That’s a lot to expect from Suzuki but that’s the kind of production you see from guys like Marchand, Gaudreau. It would be great if Nick’s upside was more like that.
We’ll see
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Suzuki
Aug 23, 2020 18:05:00 GMT -5
Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 23, 2020 18:05:00 GMT -5
I like Suzuki, very much, but to anoint him at this point in his career is premature. We always forecast our kids progressing but reality is what it is and will be. Marcel Dionne became a superstar immediately while Lafleur toiled for years, peaked and and slowed. Prediction is an imperfect science. It's one of the least-negative threads we have on the boards and the participants look like they're having fun with it ... I respect your opinion, but I really don't see anything wrong with the thread, to be honest ... Cheers. It’s fun to dream of future greatness after 8 years all the first round draft picks that held great promise are gone. That does not give me confidence. Hopefully since Suzuki wasn’t one of our picks he will turn out great. To do so he needs another two years of great progress and improvement. He may do it but isn’t a lock for greatness. Hopefully not a Corey Locke either. Some recent first rounders are still here And may workout. As I repeat ad infinitude Bergevin has started with a very good team and turned it into a terrible team. His only accomplishments were to make his team improve after horrendous years and almost achieve mediocrity.
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Suzuki
Aug 23, 2020 18:48:30 GMT -5
Post by folatre on Aug 23, 2020 18:48:30 GMT -5
Suzuiki is going to be good one.
No matter the tough economic landscape, Bergevin needs to be careful to leave enough cap space to get Suzuki locked up to something in the 6-8 year range after his ELC. It would be folly to have to bridge Suzuki (and perhaps Kotkaniemi for that matter) because management threw too many dollars at the 30+ year old segment of the roster.
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Suzuki
Aug 23, 2020 18:56:54 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 23, 2020 18:56:54 GMT -5
It's one of the least-negative threads we have on the boards and the participants look like they're having fun with it ... I respect your opinion, but I really don't see anything wrong with the thread, to be honest ... Cheers. Hopefully not a Corey Locke either. As I repeat ad infinitude Bergevin has started with a very good team and turned it into a terrible team. His only accomplishments were to make his team improve after horrendous years and almost achieve mediocrity. So, even a thread that's dedicated to comparing a Nick Suzuki to 'some other player' is now about Marc Bergevin's incompetence ... I honestly do not get that connection at all, buds ... Cheers.
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Suzuki
Aug 24, 2020 7:51:15 GMT -5
Post by Skilly on Aug 24, 2020 7:51:15 GMT -5
I don't usually do comparables … but what the heck
I see Martin St. Louis. Except at center. St. Louis didn't explode onto the NHL stage. But once he found it, well that was it, he never let "it" go. And the puck just seemed to follow him around everywhere. I'm not saying Suzuki will be winning Art Ross trophies. Just that the puck always seems to find him, and you think he has had a bad game only to discover that he had a point or two when you check the boxscores. I was never on the "Nick Suzuki" bandwagon when we made the trade. I just hope Suzuki found "it" this playoffs, and never lets "it" go.
If you want a Hab comparison. I don't think you will get a better comparison that he Ribeiro one. You take away that one on ice flopping around incident, and you can not deny, that for about 2 seasons, Ribeiro was elite. But then he lost "it"
I've wracked my brain and the only other comparison I can think of with a Hab connection, is AHL Yanic Perreault. Not NHL Yanic. But AHL Yanic was something to behold. Now if Suzuki can start winning faceoffs like NHL Yanic .. giddyup!!
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Suzuki
Aug 24, 2020 8:40:08 GMT -5
Post by folatre on Aug 24, 2020 8:40:08 GMT -5
Skating, granted, is only one aspect of a hockey player's profile. But Suzuki is not the burner St. Louis was (Marty beat d-men wide regularly), but thankfully he is far more fluid than Ribeiro was with those choppy strides.
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Suzuki
Aug 25, 2020 12:20:10 GMT -5
Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 25, 2020 12:20:10 GMT -5
I like Suzuki, very much, but to anoint him at this point in his career is premature. We always forecast our kids progressing but reality is what it is and will be. Marcel Dionne became a superstar immediately while Lafleur toiled for years, peaked and and slowed. Prediction is an imperfect science. It's one of the least-negative threads we have on the boards and the participants look like they're having fun with it ... I respect your opinion, but I really don't see anything wrong with the thread, to be honest ... Cheers. Certainly don’t think Suzuki is bad. He might be our smartest offensive player. That says a lot more about our lineup than about Suzuki. We didn’t predict KK’s slump, Poehling dropoff from 4 goals a game to less than 4 goals a year. I’m just saying that we have rose colored glasses where our players and prospects are concerned. Caufield might turn into Martin St. Louis or maybe Louis Leblanc. There are no certainties. I really like Suzuki and hope he makes it. Wouldn’t mind adding his kid brother too but they aren’t the second coming.
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Suzuki
Aug 25, 2020 12:28:52 GMT -5
Post by Willie Dog on Aug 25, 2020 12:28:52 GMT -5
Should we remind BC of the Patrick Traverse prediction? Shhhh....we must be better man then mention Patrick Traverse. Because Patrck Traverse was always an AHLer. Patrick Traverse was never going to be a NHLer. In fact Patrick Traverse was lucky to get a cup of coffee in the NHL. Shhhh.....don't mention his name. Is that like Voldemort
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Suzuki
Aug 25, 2020 14:24:38 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 25, 2020 14:24:38 GMT -5
It's one of the least-negative threads we have on the boards and the participants look like they're having fun with it ... I respect your opinion, but I really don't see anything wrong with the thread, to be honest ... Cheers. We didn’t predict KK’s slump It's only one tournament, but I saw Jesperi Kotkaniemi grow as a player ... sending him to Laval was the best thing for the kid, and to expect more of what we saw from him in the tournament next year, is not an unreasonable expectation ... Probably one of the reasons he's still in Laval ... we'll see if he makes the team next year ... if he doesn't then there'll be a reason for it ... Possibly here and there, but in comparison to earlier years, it's nowhere near as frequent as it once was ... given how long many of our members have been here, and given the average age of our community, I would not suggest that "we", as a collective, have rose-coloured glasses on ... I've also read a lot of criticizm on our prospects, too, if anything, I find our prospect discussions to be a lot more balanced than they were years ago ... all of this is to say is that the members should be commended for keeping the boards as active as it's been with objective hockey talk, more so given that there was no hockey being played during the plague ... Yeah, I know where you're coming from here ... I suggested to Andrew Zadarnowski that I didn't know if Cole Caufield would turn out to be a (scoring dynamo) or another Alfie Turcotte, but he convinced me that Caufield has a lot more upside than Turcotte did ... as for Poehling, in some games he reminded me of Ryan Kessler (glasses on), but he looks more like Lars Eller (glasses off) in other games I've seen ... if he turns out like Eller, I'll be okay with it ... as far as Nick Suzuki is concerned, there's been a lot of positive discussion surrounding him and rightly so ... while he isn't the "Second Coming" he is probably the best prospect we've had in the organization for what seems like, years-decades-forever ... even the media has lauded him for his play and even they're convinced that Suzuki is one of the best young players in the league right now ... all this is to say that, while we may have some rose-coloured glasses comments here and there on our boards, overall we're nowhere near other blogs when it comes to overvaluing our prospects, and I dare say, we also lack the drama that goes with that ... to validate this all I need do is read over our prospects boards, which contain some of the best evaluations (complementary and critical, mind you) that I've seen outside of the media ... and, no, I'm not wearing my rose-coloured glasses now ... keep well, buds ... Cheers.
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Suzuki
Aug 25, 2020 16:49:31 GMT -5
Post by seventeen on Aug 25, 2020 16:49:31 GMT -5
Our prospect pool is certainly better than it has been for a long time, but that's often a factor of having enough picks and good picks. It was pretty good in 2008 after we drafted Pacioretty, McDonagh and Subban in 2007. Unfortunately, in 2008 we only had 5 picks, with the earliest being #56, then 2009 was one of the worst draft years ever and we plucked Louis Leblanc, and followed that up in 2010 with only 5 more picks with the earliest after Tinordi at 22 being 113th. How we snuck Gallagher out at #147 was a miracle or great luck. We actually had 7 picks in 2011, but once again, after Beaulieu at #17 we didn't pick again until #97 in Round 4. GAuthier did manage to stock up a few picks for 2013, but just our luck that they were all after #16 and it was slim pickings after that.
This year we have 2 extra 2nd round picks and that's good. I'm not as impressed with 14 picks overall because most of those are in dart territory. Maybe we'll get another Gallagher, but more likely it will be another John Westin.
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Suzuki
Nov 28, 2020 17:35:55 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 28, 2020 17:35:55 GMT -5
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Suzuki
Nov 28, 2020 23:28:22 GMT -5
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 28, 2020 23:28:22 GMT -5
Suzuki trade could go down as the greatest trade in Habs history. Or one of the top 2 or 3. If Norlinder is as good as NWT and others are saying in prospect thread. Plus we got Tatar.
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