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Post by folatre on Sept 2, 2020 12:46:34 GMT -5
I guess that answers the question about whether management trusts Lindgren or Demchenko.
The seventh rounders are irrelevant (St. Louis gets Montreal's in 2020, Montreal gets theirs in 2022), so basically it is Allen signed for one season at $4.35 million for Washington's third round pick.
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Post by drkcloud on Sept 2, 2020 13:29:36 GMT -5
Way too much capspace to use on a backup goalie. Should have waited for UFA period to open.
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 2, 2020 13:31:52 GMT -5
I guess that answers the question about whether management trusts Lindgren or Demchenko. The seventh rounders are irrelevant (St. Louis gets Montreal's in 2020, Montreal gets theirs in 2022), so basically it is Allen signed for one season at $4.35 million for Washington's third round pick. Need time to think about this one. Good in a way. Needed quality backup. Be interesting see outcome Allen working with Waite. But 4.3 million with many goalies in free agency? The pick was a freeby from Kovalchuk trade. Also says we no intention being in on Dunn or Pietrangelo. Doubt we big players in free agency. Also get negative vibe about return on Domi
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Post by BadCompany on Sept 2, 2020 14:13:11 GMT -5
Way too much capspace to use on a backup goalie. Should have waited for UFA period to open. The problem with waiting for UFA is that any good goalie is going to want term, or dollars, or both. How much money do you think we could save? Is Corey Crawford going to come here for one year, at $1.5 million? Probably not. And we don’t want to stretch it out when it comes to term, because we’ve got Primeau coming, probably sooner rather than later. So the ideal situation was a one year contract. Maybe we could sign a UFA for one year, at less than $3 million, but as the saying goes, you get what you pay for. Sure, we may save a couple of million against the cap (which we may not even need), but then we end up with Kinkaid or Niemi as our backup. Allen may not work out here, but as far as gambles go we’re not hoping that somebody can rebound (haha) from a bad year. We’re hoping he can continue to play like he did last year.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 2, 2020 14:14:50 GMT -5
Allen is, IMO, an answer to our back up goalie deficiency. That's certainly a reaction to the criticism about that position. But, it is a solution. We can be fairly sure that Price will not play 50+ games next year so he should be fresh for the playoffs. We also have $15MM in CAP space tied up in goaltending. . But that's just for one year. I have very high hopes for Primeau. In fact, I think he'll be ready to take over after next season, but that's just me and we'll have great insurance in Price. The goaltending may become an issue in the future. After next season (starting in 2021/22), Price will have 5 seasons left at $10.5MM and Primeau will likely be ready to be the No. 1 (yes, I'm projecting and could be wrong). That's 5 years where $10.5MM of your CAP space is eaten up by a guy playing 40 games max and likely less. That's going to eat into making the team competitive. A trade where we're eating some salary seems inevitable, so say it will be 5 years or less at $5MM of a CAP hit for nothing in return. Still going to be a challenge. Primeau's emergence as a potential starting goalie, while being a good thing, has complicated the goaltending picture. Ok, that;s for another day. Goal situation for next year is good. What else can Berg do to fix the depth on defense and improve scoring and size up front?
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 2, 2020 16:39:20 GMT -5
Allen is, IMO, an answer to our back up goalie deficiency. That's certainly a reaction to the criticism about that position. But, it is a solution. We can be fairly sure that Price will not play 50+ games next year so he should be fresh for the playoffs. We also have $15MM in CAP space tied up in goaltending. . But that's just for one year. I have very high hopes for Primeau. In fact, I think he'll be ready to take over after next season, but that's just me and we'll have great insurance in Price. The goaltending may become an issue in the future. After next season (starting in 2021/22), Price will have 5 seasons left at $10.5MM and Primeau will likely be ready to be the No. 1 (yes, I'm projecting and could be wrong). That's 5 years where $10.5MM of your CAP space is eaten up by a guy playing 40 games max and likely less. That's going to eat into making the team competitive. A trade where we're eating some salary seems inevitable, so say it will be 5 years or less at $5MM of a CAP hit for nothing in return. Still going to be a challenge. Primeau's emergence as a potential starting goalie, while being a good thing, has complicated the goaltending picture. Ok, that;s for another day. Goal situation for next year is good. What else can Berg do to fix the depth on defense and improve scoring and size up front? Carey's last few years his pay in real dollars is 7.5... that gives a floor team 3 mill in cap advantage
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Post by Skilly on Oct 8, 2020 18:33:41 GMT -5
This $4.35 million contract is likely now preventing any chance at Taylor Hall .... unless we manage to dump Paul Byron
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 8, 2020 18:58:07 GMT -5
This $4.35 million contract is likely now preventing any chance at Taylor Hall .... unless we manage to dump Paul Byron With the cap we have after the Anderson deal and byron(3.4) we would have 9.1 in cap space... tatar(4.8) or Drouin(5.5) would have to go instead of Byron, for it to work imo.
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Post by Anardil1 on Oct 9, 2020 19:05:01 GMT -5
This $4.35 million contract is likely now preventing any chance at Taylor Hall .... unless we manage to dump Paul Byron You don't actually believe that Hall is seriously considering signing with the Habs, do you? He is more than likely using the Habs as a bargaining chip to raise offers before signing elsewhere. Same SH*T Different Year.
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Post by Skilly on Oct 10, 2020 6:06:13 GMT -5
Possibly, but all sources seem to have the teams whittled down to three ... Nashville, Columbus, and Montreal.
What I find funny about the three teams, is that all sources also say Hall would be happy with a short term deal on a team that’s in “win-now” mode.
Those three teams are at pretty much the same spot on that trajectory too. Not sure I’d say it’s win now for either of them
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Post by GNick99 on Oct 10, 2020 6:24:51 GMT -5
Way too much capspace to use on a backup goalie. Should have waited for UFA period to open. I don't know why he jumped on Allen so quick with so many UFA goalies headed to market. Then paid full blown retail.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 10, 2020 8:41:13 GMT -5
Not sure how Lundquist was playing but for 1.5 mill would he have made a good back up?
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Post by BadCompany on Oct 10, 2020 12:52:06 GMT -5
Not sure how Lundquist was playing but for 1.5 mill would he have made a good back up? They had no idea Lundqvist was going to be bought out and even less of an idea that he would sign in Montreal. Maybe they could have guessed it, but that would have been a huge gamble. Just about every other goalie is signing for multiple years. Given our UFA situation next year it would be much better to go with Primeau and his $881,000 cap hit instead of somebody making $3-4 million.
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Post by UberCranky on Oct 10, 2020 13:07:46 GMT -5
Between term and desire to play as #1, not as many goaltenders as ot looks.
No goaltender who thinks he is #1 and has Primeau in the wings is going to sign with Montreal.
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Post by Skilly on Oct 10, 2020 13:58:29 GMT -5
Not sure how Lundquist was playing but for 1.5 mill would he have made a good back up? They had no idea Lundqvist was going to be bought out and even less of an idea that he would sign in Montreal. Maybe they could have guessed it, but that would have been a huge gamble. Just about every other goalie is signing for multiple years. Given our UFA situation next year it would be much better to go with Primeau and his $881,000 cap hit instead of somebody making $3-4 million. I personally would have went with Primeau
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Post by folatre on Oct 10, 2020 17:22:19 GMT -5
Hockey is debatable. For me I would not want Primeau, even if he had full trust of Bergevin and Julien, starting fewer than 35 games in 2020-21 because of of where he is at in his developmental trajectory (21 years old). And the only way to get a solid work load is to play in Laval.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 10, 2020 17:41:29 GMT -5
No debate from me there, folatre. Primeau needs to play a lot next year, even if its against poorer shooters than he'll see in the NHL. He needs the sheer volume to perfect his basics. But just one year of that. The Allen signing fits well in that regard. Allen's contract doesn't bother me either because I can't see Bergevin doing anything else this year that would require CAP space. He's satisfied with his team.
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Post by Skilly on Oct 11, 2020 9:04:55 GMT -5
Hockey is debatable. For me I would not want Primeau, even if he had full trust of Bergevin and Julien, starting fewer than 35 games in 2020-21 because of of where he is at in his developmental trajectory (21 years old). And the only way to get a solid work load is to play in Laval. I don’t get the argument People say Price needs to play 50 games ...ok...Primeau plays 32 NHL games. Isn’t that what they asked for? People concerned Primeau doesn’t have success at the NHL level as a 21 yr old? So ...we get a high draft pick. Is that what people want? Where is the downside with using Primeau, not signing Allen, and having 8 million to get a forward?
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 11, 2020 12:24:41 GMT -5
Not sure how Lundquist was playing but for 1.5 mill would he have made a good back up? They had no idea Lundqvist was going to be bought out and even less of an idea that he would sign in Montreal. Maybe they could have guessed it, but that would have been a huge gamble. Just about every other goalie is signing for multiple years. Given our UFA situation next year it would be much better to go with Primeau and his $881,000 cap hit instead of somebody making $3-4 million. Exactly. They have np idea!
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