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Post by Skilly on Sept 7, 2022 15:22:51 GMT -5
And there you go
Price is placed on off season LTIR to get us under the cap.
A lot of us said this would turn into an anchor contract.
We are in for one Halek of a season đ
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Post by folatre on Sept 7, 2022 21:11:43 GMT -5
Did a doctor recently examine Price's knee? Or did the relevant medical authorities in the league office recently conclude reviewing his file?
It sounds as though Byron has not skated this summer and thus seems very likely to start the season on LTIR. However, I still believe something will have to happen to one of the three skilled low-energy vet wingers (Dadonov, Drouin, and Hoffman). I would have a hard time imagining Martin St. Louis prefers all three in the lineup simultaneously. It would be kind of humbling, but I foresee one healthy veteran winger getting familiar with the AHL a la James Neal.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Sept 7, 2022 23:30:10 GMT -5
Did a doctor recently examine Price's knee? Or did the relevant medical authorities in the league office recently conclude reviewing his file? It sounds as though Byron has not skated this summer and thus seems very likely to start the season on LTIR. However, I still believe something will have to happen to one of the three skilled low-energy vet wingers (Dadonov, Drouin, and Hoffman). I would have a hard time imagining Martin St. Louis prefers all three in the lineup simultaneously. It would be kind of humbling, but I foresee one healthy veteran winger getting familiar with the AHL a la James Neal. Hughes said today they have no new medical information on Price and he has not talked to his doctors. They wonât do a full medical until the start of camp. If the league wanted to challenge and make a fuss, this could get fun. I too expect Byron starts on the LTIR. |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 8, 2022 13:39:19 GMT -5
Did a doctor recently examine Price's knee? Or did the relevant medical authorities in the league office recently conclude reviewing his file? It sounds as though Byron has not skated this summer and thus seems very likely to start the season on LTIR. However, I still believe something will have to happen to one of the three skilled low-energy vet wingers (Dadonov, Drouin, and Hoffman). I would have a hard time imagining Martin St. Louis prefers all three in the lineup simultaneously. It would be kind of humbling, but I foresee one healthy veteran winger getting familiar with the AHL a la James Neal. Hughes said today they have no new medical information on Price and he has not talked to his doctors. They wonât do a full medical until the start of camp. If the league wanted to challenge and make a fuss, this could get fun. I too expect Byron starts on the LTIR. I read something yesterday where Hughes was quoted as saying CLEARLY that Carey's knee has not improved, is likely not to improve and there is no surgical procedure that can help. It seemed to be a firm statement that, barring a miracle, he is not going to play pro hockey again. I believe it was a reliable source. |
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Post by Cranky on Sept 8, 2022 14:32:08 GMT -5
Did a doctor recently examine Price's knee? Or did the relevant medical authorities in the league office recently conclude reviewing his file? It sounds as though Byron has not skated this summer and thus seems very likely to start the season on LTIR. However, I still believe something will have to happen to one of the three skilled low-energy vet wingers (Dadonov, Drouin, and Hoffman). I would have a hard time imagining Martin St. Louis prefers all three in the lineup simultaneously. It would be kind of humbling, but I foresee one healthy veteran winger getting familiar with the AHL a la James Neal. Hughes said today they have no new medical information on Price and he has not talked to his doctors. They wonât do a full medical until the start of camp. If the league wanted to challenge and make a fuss, this could get fun. I too expect Byron starts on the LTIR. The league allowed it to the point where Tampa abused it enough to win a cup. Too late now. Particularly if they go after Price who has a big name. On the other hand, they need to clamp down because it has become a retirement joke. They can do that after we abuse it. |
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Post by Skilly on Sept 8, 2022 15:49:44 GMT -5
Hughes said today they have no new medical information on Price and he has not talked to his doctors. They wonât do a full medical until the start of camp. If the league wanted to challenge and make a fuss, this could get fun. I too expect Byron starts on the LTIR. I read something yesterday where Hughes was quoted as saying CLEARLY that Carey's knee has not improved, is likely not to improve and there is no surgical procedure that can help. It seemed to be a firm statement that, barring a miracle, he is not going to play pro hockey again. I believe it was a reliable source. I read a report this week that says Price is not expected to play a single game in 2022-23 |
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Post by folatre on Sept 8, 2022 16:59:39 GMT -5
It is a shame to not conclude a great career on one's own terms, but basically Price seems to be done.
Price was great value on his ELC and incredible value on the six year deal that followed it. And while it is not the player's fault regarding injuries and the ill-advised term/AAV on this final contract, there is no denying Price delivered very poor value for $84 million. Assuming there are no miracles and he is done, Price will have started only 152 regular seasons (where he was largely average) and 32 playoff games (where he was very good) over the life of a eight year contract.
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Post by Tankdriver on Sept 8, 2022 17:56:47 GMT -5
I think the Price situation has taught us that you don't drop big money long term on a goalie. Back when he signed, I thought 8.5 was the right number. With the way the league handles goalies now, in a platoon scenario you need 50-32 split. So a goalie around 5.5-6 and a 3-3.5 backup.
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Post by Cranky on Sept 8, 2022 19:47:18 GMT -5
It is a shame to not conclude a great career on one's own terms, but basically Price seems to be done. Price was great value on his ELC and incredible value on the six year deal that followed it. And while it is not the player's fault regarding injuries and the ill-advised term/AAV on this final contract, there is no denying Price delivered very poor value for $84 million. Assuming there are no miracles and he is done, Price will have started only 152 regular seasons (where he was largely average) and 32 playoff games (where he was very good) over the life of a eight year contract. I have a LOT of suspicion on that 8 year contract in terms of...what was he on to hide the pain? He never did disclose his addiction but I'll bet the outhouse it was painkillers. Any good GM would of dug deeper into what Price was doing. Blood test would reveal everything..but are they required? To me, for 84 million bucks, you better believe i want to know what the player is doing. Lots of red flags on this...but it will be swept under the rug and everybody will move on. |
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Post by jkr on Sept 8, 2022 20:08:35 GMT -5
Price wouldn't be the first pro athlete with a pain killer problem and he certainly will not be the last.
Why does it matter now?
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 8, 2022 21:05:26 GMT -5
Price was THE main reason to tune in during the Berg regime. Otherwise, it would have been a decade of 2015-16s.
I watched nearly every game, and I can only imagine the results without #31 stealing points galore.
Can't get any worse...hopefully HuGo knows what they're doing...but it'll be a few years before we find out.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 8, 2022 23:28:39 GMT -5
It is a shame to not conclude a great career on one's own terms, but basically Price seems to be done. Price was great value on his ELC and incredible value on the six year deal that followed it. And while it is not the player's fault regarding injuries and the ill-advised term/AAV on this final contract, there is no denying Price delivered very poor value for $84 million. Assuming there are no miracles and he is done, Price will have started only 152 regular seasons (where he was largely average) and 32 playoff games (where he was very good) over the life of a eight year contract. I have a LOT of suspicion on that 8 year contract in terms of...what was he on to hide the pain? He never did disclose his addiction but I'll bet the outhouse it was painkillers. Any good GM would of dug deeper into what Price was doing. Blood test would reveal everything..but are they required? To me, for 84 million bucks, you better believe i want to know what the player is doing. Lots of red flags on this...but it will be swept under the rug and everybody will move on. It's pretty simple really. Bergevin was a pathetic GM. The only thing that was saving his butt was Price. It's quite natural to ensure the only thing keeping you (Bergie) alive continues to be around to save your butt. Ergo the blank cheque on an 8 year contract. It was just another case of Bergevin being a really stupid GM, but one who was barely smart enough to know his job depended on one guy. The truly unfortunate thing is that Molson didn't recognize Berg's incompetence and duplicity (another 5 year plan...really?) in time. Truly the worst GM the franchise has ever had. He sets a new standard. Houle should rest easy. |
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Post by Skilly on Sept 9, 2022 7:24:11 GMT -5
Price wouldn't be the first pro athlete with a pain killer problem and he certainly will not be the last. Why does it matter now? I was a huge Price fan, (I still like the guy) but lost a huge amount of respect for him in 2014. I once posted way back then (and again last year) that I thought he was on painkillers. I still think there is evidence that may suggest this issue didnât just pop up last year. So why do I always point to 2014? In February of 2014, Price played on the Olympic team. He got injured during one of the pre-Olympic practices. It was not disclosed until after the Olympics. Price played in the Olympics with this injury. It was simply reported as a âlower body injuryâ Upon return to the NHL, the Habs put Price on injured reserve. Price missed 8 games that March. The team went 4-4 in his absence. But did he come back too early? I know I was livid back then that he risked the season for the Habs by playing with an injury in the Olympics. All seemed well. He came back. He was playing lights out. We got to the Stanley Cup semi-Finals when âŚ. Chris Kreider happened. Price hasnât been the same since. Was it his leg that was injured in the Olympics? Was it properly healed enough to not only play in the Olympics but then play in the NHL playoffs? He already demonstrated he will play with an injury, so did he come back to not get the Skilly-flack (ie. He is a Hab goalie, not a Team Canada goalie. So he should not have played those Olympics). Was his knee the issue when Kreider crashed into him? Was it painkillers that got him through those Olympics and playoffs? This is why it matters to me. Iâve commented on his playing style changes over the years. And IMO they all point back to 2014, when he put personal glory over the team that pays him. |
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 9, 2022 11:53:57 GMT -5
After the Kreider hit, Price came back and had his Hart-Vezina-Jennings-Lindsay season in 2014-15.
So, either he'd recovered....OR...painkillers had been covering something that would recur the next season--2015-16.
He started strong, missed a few games, returned, then was done after 2 periods on Nov. 25...10-2-0, .934. The team was 17-4-2 at that point. We finished at .500.
From espn's game recap.
Coach Michel Therrien said the 2015 NHL MVP and Vezina Trophy winner was sidelined by the same lower-body injury that kept him out for eight games earlier this month. This was his third game back.
"The medical staff was really comfortable and Carey was really comfortable to come back," Therrien said. "If we had any doubt, for sure, we would not take that risk. That's all we can say about it. He tweaked it again tonight. That's why we don't want to take any chance. It's still early in the season, so it's important for us when he plays, he's got to make sure he is healthy." Nope, he was done.
2016-17. Another solid year. 62 GP. 37-20-5, .923. Habs were 1st in the Atlantic with the 2nd fewest GA in the league. It seemed he was back.
2017-18. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome was disclosed in January as the reason for his slow start. And another "lower body injury".
From Stu Cowan in the Gazette, Jan. 23, 2018.
âI was always tired,â Price told TVA Sports. âA guy who eats well and sleeps well like me isnât supposed to be tired like I was.â
A guy like Price also isnât supposed to start the season with a 3-7-1 record and an .877 save percentage. Price then suffered a lower-body injury on Nov. 2 that sidelined him for 10 games.
It's likely been the same knee every time...and if not...then both knees have been affected.
Inconsistency ever since 2016-17, with flashes of brilliance in the two Covid playoffs.
Painkiller addiction? I agree with jkr....he's neither the first nor the last.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 9, 2022 13:43:14 GMT -5
I think the Price situation has taught us that you don't drop big money long term on a goalie. Back when he signed, I thought 8.5 was the right number. With the way the league handles goalies now, in a platoon scenario you need 50-32 split. So a goalie around 5.5-6 and a 3-3.5 backup. The other lesson is to pay players appropriately and we can see that happening more and more with 22-23 year old players being give long term contracts at good money. You not only pay them properly for their productive years, but you don't end up with Pacioretty, Price and Gallagher situations where the team has profited early and now the player feels he needs to make up for a lot of money left on the table on his earlier contract. Suzuki is an example where he is being rewarded without yet having achieved what is expected, though I suspect that was more to retain a centre after losing Kotkaniemi. This strategy means taking on risk because what if Suzuki doesn't earn that money and you've got that 8 years of overpaying to deal with? It's still easier to move a Suzuki than an older Gallagher, for example. Anyway, I have no doubts about Suzuki, it's just a hypothetical example. I also believe Gally will bounce back this year. |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 9, 2022 13:49:44 GMT -5
Price wouldn't be the first pro athlete with a pain killer problem and he certainly will not be the last. Why does it matter now? I was a huge Price fan, (I still like the guy) but lost a huge amount of respect for him in 2014. I once posted way back then (and again last year) that I thought he was on painkillers. I still think there is evidence that may suggest this issue didnât just pop up last year. So why do I always point to 2014? In February of 2014, Price played on the Olympic team. He got injured during one of the pre-Olympic practices. It was not disclosed until after the Olympics. Price played in the Olympics with this injury. It was simply reported as a âlower body injuryâ Upon return to the NHL, the Habs put Price on injured reserve. Price missed 8 games that March. The team went 4-4 in his absence. But did he come back too early? I know I was livid back then that he risked the season for the Habs by playing with an injury in the Olympics. All seemed well. He came back. He was playing lights out. We got to the Stanley Cup semi-Finals when âŚ. Chris Kreider happened. Price hasnât been the same since. Was it his leg that was injured in the Olympics? Was it properly healed enough to not only play in the Olympics but then play in the NHL playoffs? He already demonstrated he will play with an injury, so did he come back to not get the Skilly-flack (ie. He is a Hab goalie, not a Team Canada goalie. So he should not have played those Olympics). Was his knee the issue when Kreider crashed into him? Was it painkillers that got him through those Olympics and playoffs? This is why it matters to me. Iâve commented on his playing style changes over the years. And IMO they all point back to 2014, when he put personal glory over the team that pays him. The other side of that argument is that Price valued his country over his team, no? IIRC, that Team Canada (which was put together with input from Marc Bergevin) was a low scoring, defensive team. They needed the best goaltending and got it. You are right in that Price wasn't the same after the Kreider hit. Who knew that one instance would affect the team that much? It really was tragic, on many levels. |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 9, 2022 13:52:38 GMT -5
After the Kreider hit, Price came back and had his Hart-Vezina-Jennings-Lindsay season in 2014-15. So, either he'd recovered....OR....painkillers were covering something that would explode early the next season: 2015-16. I don't know what happened....again, he'd been playing very well (10-2-0, .934). He started the season, missed a few games, returned, and was done on Nov. 25. The team plummeted. I'd say it's from that point that he's never been the same. But it's likely just a combo of everything. Same leg/knee? I don't know....but he was arguably at his very best between the Kreider hit in 2013-14 and whatever happened early in 2015-16. There may have been damage done that caused ligaments or meniscus to wear down faster than it would have. |
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 9, 2022 14:18:04 GMT -5
After the Kreider hit, Price came back and had his Hart-Vezina-Jennings-Lindsay season in 2014-15. So, either he'd recovered....OR....painkillers were covering something that would explode early the next season: 2015-16. I don't know what happened....again, he'd been playing very well (10-2-0, .934). He started the season, missed a few games, returned, and was done on Nov. 25. The team plummeted. I'd say it's from that point that he's never been the same. But it's likely just a combo of everything. Same leg/knee? I don't know....but he was arguably at his very best between the Kreider hit in 2013-14 and whatever happened early in 2015-16. There may have been damage done that caused ligaments or meniscus to wear down faster than it would have. I did some more digging on his injury history....I edited my post above. I'd forgotten about the 2017-18 "lower body injury" along with the Chronic Fatigue excuse. Pure retro-speculation, but the CFS could very well have been residual effects from painkillers. "Syndrome" sounds better than "addiction". |
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Post by Skilly on Sept 9, 2022 14:28:45 GMT -5
After the Kreider hit, Price came back and had his Hart-Vezina-Jennings-Lindsay season in 2014-15. So, either he'd recovered....OR...painkillers had been covering something that would recur the next season--2015-16. He started strong, missed a few games, returned, then was done after 2 periods on Nov. 25...10-2-0, .934. The team was 17-4-2 at that point. We finished at .500. From espn's game recap. Coach Michel Therrien said the 2015 NHL MVP and Vezina Trophy winner was sidelined by the same lower-body injury that kept him out for eight games earlier this month. This was his third game back.
"The medical staff was really comfortable and Carey was really comfortable to come back," Therrien said. "If we had any doubt, for sure, we would not take that risk. That's all we can say about it. He tweaked it again tonight. That's why we don't want to take any chance. It's still early in the season, so it's important for us when he plays, he's got to make sure he is healthy." Nope, he was done. 2016-17. Another solid year. 62 GP. 37-20-5, .923. Habs were 1st in the Atlantic with the 2nd fewest GA in the league. It seemed he was back. 2017-18. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome was disclosed in January as the reason for his slow start. And another "lower body injury". From Stu Cowan in the Gazette, Jan. 23, 2018. âI was always tired,â Price told TVA Sports. âA guy who eats well and sleeps well like me isnât supposed to be tired like I was.â
A guy like Price also isnât supposed to start the season with a 3-7-1 record and an .877 save percentage. Price then suffered a lower-body injury on Nov. 2 that sidelined him for 10 games. It's likely been the same knee every time...and if not...then both knees have been affected. Inconsistency ever since 2016-17, with flashes of brilliance in the two Covid playoffs. Painkiller addiction? I agree with jkr....he's neither the first nor the last. Painkillers mask pain. They donât protect the body part I agree, he is not the first, nor the last. But it should be disclosed to the team and monitored by a Health professional. By not doing so, you end up with a 10.5 million anchor His highs and lows since 2014 are why I think he may have been on them since 2014. Who knows? Maybe he took something after his Vezina year in an attempt to sustain that quality of play. Maybe he is on nothing at all. But 2014 is when this all started. |
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Post by Skilly on Sept 9, 2022 14:30:06 GMT -5
I was a huge Price fan, (I still like the guy) but lost a huge amount of respect for him in 2014. I once posted way back then (and again last year) that I thought he was on painkillers. I still think there is evidence that may suggest this issue didnât just pop up last year. So why do I always point to 2014? In February of 2014, Price played on the Olympic team. He got injured during one of the pre-Olympic practices. It was not disclosed until after the Olympics. Price played in the Olympics with this injury. It was simply reported as a âlower body injuryâ Upon return to the NHL, the Habs put Price on injured reserve. Price missed 8 games that March. The team went 4-4 in his absence. But did he come back too early? I know I was livid back then that he risked the season for the Habs by playing with an injury in the Olympics. All seemed well. He came back. He was playing lights out. We got to the Stanley Cup semi-Finals when âŚ. Chris Kreider happened. Price hasnât been the same since. Was it his leg that was injured in the Olympics? Was it properly healed enough to not only play in the Olympics but then play in the NHL playoffs? He already demonstrated he will play with an injury, so did he come back to not get the Skilly-flack (ie. He is a Hab goalie, not a Team Canada goalie. So he should not have played those Olympics). Was his knee the issue when Kreider crashed into him? Was it painkillers that got him through those Olympics and playoffs? This is why it matters to me. Iâve commented on his playing style changes over the years. And IMO they all point back to 2014, when he put personal glory over the team that pays him. The other side of that argument is that Price valued his country over his team, no? IIRC, that Team Canada (which was put together with input from Marc Bergevin) was a low scoring, defensive team. They needed the best goaltending and got it. You are right in that Price wasn't the same after the Kreider hit. Who knew that one instance would affect the team that much? It really was tragic, on many levels. How much was his country paying him to stay healthy and look after his body? |
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Post by Cranky on Sept 9, 2022 15:01:32 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if Price chose to take painkillers, it matters that Mr Stupid GM did not have a handle on what Price was doing BEFORE commiting 84 million on him.
It's part of the job description to know what is going on with your product. From "spies" to "innocent" conversations, there is no such thing as "suprised" g.managers. Just uninformed or stupid ones.
As for Price....
For me, last year was the breaking point with Price. This "inner deamons" and "mental illness" was just a big fat pile of bullpucks to hide his addiction problem.
The why was obvious, but the subsequent bs was uneccesarry and self serving.
He spun a careful PR story and sold it to protect HIS reputation and then hung us to his "comeback".
He's done. His body can't take it and broken. Fine. LTIR and go live large on those 120 million. Spare us any more spin and yarns.
Moving on...
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Post by seventeen on Sept 9, 2022 16:28:43 GMT -5
The other side of that argument is that Price valued his country over his team, no? IIRC, that Team Canada (which was put together with input from Marc Bergevin) was a low scoring, defensive team. They needed the best goaltending and got it. You are right in that Price wasn't the same after the Kreider hit. Who knew that one instance would affect the team that much? It really was tragic, on many levels. How much was his country paying him to stay healthy and look after his body? Money is irrelevant in those circumstances. No one plays for any real money in the Olympics, but there's always a Standing Room Only line of players waiting to sign up. From all countries. |
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Post by Skilly on Sept 9, 2022 20:11:48 GMT -5
How much was his country paying him to stay healthy and look after his body? Money is irrelevant in those circumstances. No one plays for any real money in the Olympics, but there's always a Standing Room Only line of players waiting to sign up. From all countries. Your priority is always with the team that pays you If not, forfeit the money and go play in the Olympics without insurance |
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