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Post by mikeg on Feb 26, 2022 13:09:14 GMT -5
Finally a Skills coach - this is the guy the Leafs had who worked with some of their young talent, was with the Rangers before that (surprise) Chicago Steele and Umass. It's a good hire I think, or at least it's a start at moving away from teams built on someone's gut to teams built on data and coaching. |
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 26, 2022 13:32:32 GMT -5
"Sources say this is a great get"  Other than Matthews, and maybe Marner, both natural talents, who exactly have the Leafs developed well? Happy to have a skills coach but enuf of the hype from Engels. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 26, 2022 14:01:16 GMT -5
I am a huge fan of what the Chicago Steel do in terms of player development. They are as progressive as you get in terms of a junior hockey team. The fact that he has been part of that organization is a big plus in my books.
I don’t expect this is the last hire in this area by any means, so this is a very good start to beef up an area most of us have been bemoaning this team for ignoring for so long.
When you look at a number of prospects that could benefit from greater access to a skating coach, this is a very good step towards Hughes’ goal of preparing individual development plans for each prospect and player and giving them the resources to help implement it.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 26, 2022 17:56:45 GMT -5
"Sources say this is a great get" Other than Matthews, and maybe Marner, both natural talents, who exactly have the Leafs developed well? Happy to have a skills coach but enuf of the hype from Engels. Nylander, Hyman, Bunting, Reilly … |
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Post by jkr on Feb 26, 2022 20:51:30 GMT -5
"Sources say this is a great get" Other than Matthews, and maybe Marner, both natural talents, who exactly have the Leafs developed well? Happy to have a skills coach but enuf of the hype from Engels. Nylander, Hyman, Bunting, Reilly … I'll give you an argument about Bunting. He's 26 and until this season , he's spent his career in the Arizona organization. I would also argue that a lot of his success has to do with playing along side Marner and Matthews. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 4, 2022 14:43:09 GMT -5
Done deal. The start of a player development unit.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 4, 2022 14:47:50 GMT -5
Here is a great video that shows him in action working with kids up to pros.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 5, 2022 11:13:59 GMT -5
Nylander, Hyman, Bunting, Reilly … I'll give you an argument about Bunting. He's 26 and until this season , he's spent his career in the Arizona organization. I would also argue that a lot of his success has to do with playing along side Marner and Matthews. Soooo you are saying he is developing better IN Toronto’s system … from bust to first liner |
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Post by jkr on Mar 6, 2022 11:54:41 GMT -5
I'll give you an argument about Bunting. He's 26 and until this season , he's spent his career in the Arizona organization. I would also argue that a lot of his success has to do with playing along side Marner and Matthews. Soooo you are saying he is developing better IN Toronto’s system … from bust to first liner He's 26 and had 26 games of NHL experience. I'm saying he is benefitting greatly from playing with Marner and Matthews as most guys would. David Kampf was also born in 1995. He's a bottom 6 forward with the Leafs now. I wonder how he would fare on the top line for a couple of weeks. We've all seen this before. Average guys get on a line with stars and they produce. I won't be sold on Bunting until I see at least another season like this. |
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Post by folatre on Mar 6, 2022 22:20:39 GMT -5
This entire movement to focus on specific and continual skill related development for players at all stages of their career within the organization is simply something that Bergevin had absolutely no notion of or belief in. I am sure that he is not the only old-school hockey exec behind the times but it is kind of sad how a non-cap controlled dimension like this one was not only not exploited by the Canadien but is was literally almost entirely ignored during the 10 years of Bergevin's tenure.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 7, 2022 2:27:51 GMT -5
His list of failures keeps growing. We knew he was conservative, but wow.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 7, 2022 7:38:29 GMT -5
This entire movement to focus on specific and continual skill related development for players at all stages of their career within the organization is simply something that Bergevin had absolutely no notion of or belief in. I am sure that he is not the only old-school hockey exec behind the times but it is kind of sad how a non-cap controlled dimension like this one was not only not exploited by the Canadien but is was literally almost entirely ignored during the 10 years of Bergevin's tenure. Maybe berg felt if he saved Molson money it would make his failures more acceptable |
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Post by habsorbed on Mar 7, 2022 10:47:25 GMT -5
This entire movement to focus on specific and continual skill related development for players at all stages of their career within the organization is simply something that Bergevin had absolutely no notion of or belief in. I am sure that he is not the only old-school hockey exec behind the times but it is kind of sad how a non-cap controlled dimension like this one was not only not exploited by the Canadien but is was literally almost entirely ignored during the 10 years of Bergevin's tenure. Maybe berg felt if he saved Molson money it would make his failures more acceptable Or it helped MB's ego to believe that his ridiculous salary for never doing anything was because he was gifted in so many areas that he could do it all himself. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 7, 2022 12:07:31 GMT -5
Maybe berg felt if he saved Molson money it would make his failures more acceptable Or it helped MB's ego to believe that his ridiculous salary for never doing anything was because he was gifted in so many areas that he could do it all himself. I like your explanation better than mine 👍 |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 7, 2022 22:20:38 GMT -5
Soooo you are saying he is developing better IN Toronto’s system … from bust to first liner He's 26 and had 26 games of NHL experience. I'm saying he is benefitting greatly from playing with Marner and Matthews as most guys would. David Kampf was also born in 1995. He's a bottom 6 forward with the Leafs now. I wonder how he would fare on the top line for a couple of weeks. We've all seen this before. Average guys get on a line with stars and they produce. I won't be sold on Bunting until I see at least another season like this. So Kotkaniemi could have developed from some first line or second line time? Fact is, they put the kid in a position to succeed, and he did ....that's development 101. Bunting in Montreal would be on the fourth line , and we all know it |
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Post by jkr on Mar 8, 2022 8:21:24 GMT -5
He's 26 and had 26 games of NHL experience. I'm saying he is benefitting greatly from playing with Marner and Matthews as most guys would. David Kampf was also born in 1995. He's a bottom 6 forward with the Leafs now. I wonder how he would fare on the top line for a couple of weeks. We've all seen this before. Average guys get on a line with stars and they produce. I won't be sold on Bunting until I see at least another season like this. So Kotkaniemi could have developed from some first line or second line time? Fact is, they put the kid in a position to succeed, and he did ....that's development 101. Bunting in Montreal would be on the fourth line , and we all know it Not sure why we are arguing about this. Of course JK should have been put on a top line. Why else would you draft him at #3? I wasn't vocal about it but I've never agreed with the way he was handled and the offer sheet was inevitable. What I am saying about Bunting is that I am not sold yet. Yes, part of it is my anti Leafs bias. I hate to admit when things work well for them.  |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 8, 2022 18:28:55 GMT -5
Bunting is another one of those tweeners. Barely over a ppg in his final juniour year which is usually a pretty good barometer of where you'll end up in the NHL and top line forward was not it. Usually around .8 ppg in the AHL, or Hudon territory (worse, actually). But he's scoring at the same rate, except in the NHL, alongside 2 natural prolific scorers. Go figger.
Hyman continues to score at a .72 ppg rate (with McDavid) but at least he put up good numbers in juniour A and at Michigan NCAA. Hyman's a much better player than Bunting, IMO and my final take is that Bunting's quite replaceable. If he wanted more money, I'd tell him to fill his boots and check out Blair McDonald
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 11, 2022 8:51:36 GMT -5
The Habs’ Marc Dumont did this right as the lottery draft was finishing up. It provides some real insight into how Adam Nicholas is approaching development plans with players. It truly is a step in the right direction, especially with all these promising youngsters set to join the club and be a critical part of the rebuild. You can skip through the first few minutes of Marc getting excited about the lottery if you just want to hear Adam Nicolas.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 13, 2022 18:30:07 GMT -5
This entire movement to focus on specific and continual skill related development for players at all stages of their career within the organization is simply something that Bergevin had absolutely no notion of or belief in. I am sure that he is not the only old-school hockey exec behind the times but it is kind of sad how a non-cap controlled dimension like this one was not only not exploited by the Canadien but is was literally almost entirely ignored during the 10 years of Bergevin's tenure. I could be a skills coach for Matthews and McDavid, a speed coach for Bolt and Secretariat, a skills coach for Woods (never mind). Certain players can identify a need for edge work, speed work, skating style, shot, puck control or correct deficiencies in positional play or 200' play. Bergevin added many extra coaches to not coach. |
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Other than Matthews, and maybe Marner, both natural talents, who exactly have the Leafs developed well?
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