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Post by habsorbed on Mar 16, 2022 23:41:21 GMT -5
According to Ben's interview with Engels, he'd be keen to come back: EE: If they come calling in the summer, will you pick up the phone? BC: Absolutely! I’ve loved my time in Montreal. Nothing but good things to say about the team and the city. It’s been everything I thought it would be. With all the highs and lows that come with being in a market like this, it fits my personality and I love it. I’d come back here in a heartbeat. While I appreciate Ben wasn't going to say anything different, I'd still like to think he's being sincere. Of course when Sabres offer $6 million and Habs only offer $5, we'll see where his heart is in relation to his wallet. If he returns, he can lead the Pain Brigade. Hopefully Xhejak and Guhle are learning'n'hurting from him and take over. Two years...that's it. But I see 6x6 in his future which is frankly too much. 5x5 for him and Kadri will fix my Viagra addiction for my male pattern balding... I hear you, but Kadri will be getting north of $7 and that's too rich for me, not to mention the term he will want. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 16, 2022 23:46:26 GMT -5
If he returns, he can lead the Pain Brigade. Hopefully Xhejak and Guhle are learning'n'hurting from him and take over. Two years...that's it. But I see 6x6 in his future which is frankly too much. 5x5 for him and Kadri will fix my Viagra addiction for my male pattern balding... I hear you, but Kadri will be getting north of $7 and that's too rich for me, not to mention the term he will want. ANYONE who pays Kadri or Chiarot anything much past 5 million will regret it. At 31, Kadri's season is so far off normal that there has to be speculation of some "help" with the pain and effort. |
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Post by Douper on Mar 17, 2022 5:47:24 GMT -5
About the NCAA worries, he is from the same junior program (the NTDP) as Caufield and Farrell. Those guys are tight. I don’t see an issue. His college team is also very strong. Good development place. He is a fun player to watch. Ohhhh don't get me started ... it's also the same program that gave us McCarron, Tinordi, Kristo .... It is concerning they are bringing players and management in with close ties to "Horton Hears a Hughes" ... and brining in undersized projects. Let's see what unfolds, I 'spose. Maybe Florida crashes and burns next year and we get more lottery balls . I like the idea that they are bringing in guys they know to start. If you think about it, if they know Ty personally and know he's a gamer, know he's going to be a good player in the organization then load it up. We need to load the cupboards. Build a foundation that you know and go from there. Thats how MB got Danault. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Mar 17, 2022 7:22:09 GMT -5
We have to remember that we've lost our director of scouting, a couple of assistant GM's and probably a few scouts the past year so I think at this time it is okay to trade for players that the Hughes and Gorton have seen personally in action.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 17, 2022 8:13:59 GMT -5
As for Horton knowing the kid, I think some writers and bloggers are making too big a deal about this. They are both hockey geeks. They have been intimately involved in hockey for a while, including the last few years when these kids have evolved. Of course they would know of him. They would also know of a ton of other prospects too. It was their jobs to do so. So what if their kids are around the same age, their day job would still would have exposed them to this generation of young prospects. And that is a good thing for this team. Certain writers make the “played with the sons” as the main reason for picking a player. Bah, these guys are hockey nerds and bring lots of intel to the table to add to what the Habs already have. They still have the bulk of scouts around.
Let’s look at the two kids involved in trades this deadline so far. Both 2020 picks. Heineman was picked just ahead of Myšák/Tuch. The Habs were interested in him then. He told a reporter after he was traded that he had lots of conversations with Habs reps leading up to the draft. He knew they had interest in him. That was pre Horton. And for Smilanic, the US NDTP is one of the most scouted junior teams around. They also play annually at the U18s, a massively scouted event in April pre-draft. The Habs picked his teammate Tuch from the exact same team. He also played very briefly with both Caufield and Farrell. The Habs existing scouting team no doubt has seen lots of him too.
Out of context, some lazy writers are just making links that imply personal knowledge drove their selection. The organization had books on both kids, and the wealth of knowledge that both Horton can add to that is only gravy and great for this team. That’s a great thing in my mind.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 17, 2022 8:18:38 GMT -5
A great Q&A between Engels and Chiarot from just after the trade. A huge thanks to Big Ben for what he brought for three years and how proudly he wore the jersey. As a side note on Engels, he is at his best when he lets the answers from his interviewees be the star of the article. I felt the same way with the great Q&A with Kent Hughes. Just sayin’. 😉
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 17, 2022 8:22:18 GMT -5
Read that last night, he has nothing but great things about the org and especially Luke Richardson
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Post by Skilly on Mar 17, 2022 11:17:46 GMT -5
Ohhhh don't get me started ... it's also the same program that gave us McCarron, Tinordi, Kristo .... It is concerning they are bringing players and management in with close ties to "Horton Hears a Hughes" ... and brining in undersized projects. Let's see what unfolds, I 'spose. Maybe Florida crashes and burns next year and we get more lottery balls . And the exact same junior program that recently developed Jack and Luke Hughes, Trevor Zegras, Jake Sanderson, Spencer Knight and Cole Caufield to name a few. There are dogs through the system, but some gems too. Let’s see where he ends up in a few years before we judge him based on where plays. Again. Every time this NCAA debate arises I have to reiterate this one very important point. Those guys were not drafted by Montreal. Without question other teams seem to find these little gems. Montreal doesn’t. Never. They never seem to develop properly in Montreal even when we get them from other teams. Now maybe the developing is going to improve. But until it does, I can’t help but look and see same ol same ol “the proverbial Minnesota HS first rounder to Montreal” that we use to joke about. It ain’t so funny anymore  |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 17, 2022 11:20:54 GMT -5
Ohhhh don't get me started ... it's also the same program that gave us McCarron, Tinordi, Kristo .... It is concerning they are bringing players and management in with close ties to "Horton Hears a Hughes" ... and brining in undersized projects. Let's see what unfolds, I 'spose. Maybe Florida crashes and burns next year and we get more lottery balls . I like the idea that they are bringing in guys they know to start. If you think about it, if they know Ty personally and know he's a gamer, know he's going to be a good player in the organization then load it up. We need to load the cupboards. Build a foundation that you know and go from there. Thats how MB got Danault. I hear ya. But …. that’s how MB got Danault!! Danault was a good pick up on the surface, but they hung on to him for about 2 seasons too long in my opinion. |
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Post by Andrew on Mar 17, 2022 11:43:10 GMT -5
Maybe Florida crashes and burns next year and we get more lottery balls . Unlikely, but there's always a chance. Has there ever been a team that followed a deep playoff run with a bottom five finish  ? 2023 is a good year to stockpile unprotected first rounders. |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 17, 2022 12:51:31 GMT -5
Maybe Florida crashes and burns next year and we get more lottery balls . Unlikely, but there's always a chance. Has there ever been a team that followed a deep playoff run with a bottom five finish ? 2023 is a good year to stockpile unprotected first rounders. The 2021 Montreal Canadiens |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 17, 2022 14:14:36 GMT -5
I hear you, but Kadri will be getting north of $7 and that's too rich for me, not to mention the term he will want. ANYONE who pays Kadri or Chiarot anything much past 5 million will regret it. Berg was ready to pay Lucic $6MM per. There are a ton of bad contracts throughout the league. There's always a GM who figures that guy is the missing piece so pay what you have to, even though as you say, it's silly to do so. There's always a weakest (in judgment) link to compete against. |
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Post by Douper on Mar 17, 2022 14:18:21 GMT -5
I like the idea that they are bringing in guys they know to start. If you think about it, if they know Ty personally and know he's a gamer, know he's going to be a good player in the organization then load it up. We need to load the cupboards. Build a foundation that you know and go from there. Thats how MB got Danault. I hear ya. But …. that’s how MB got Danault!! Danault was a good pick up on the surface, but they hung on to him for about 2 seasons too long in my opinion. and this is where we all hope this management team is better. Know when to be ruthless. we can only be loyal to Superstar players. we can't keep players longer than the expiry date. |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 17, 2022 14:27:03 GMT -5
And the exact same junior program that recently developed Jack and Luke Hughes, Trevor Zegras, Jake Sanderson, Spencer Knight and Cole Caufield to name a few. There are dogs through the system, but some gems too. Let’s see where he ends up in a few years before we judge him based on where plays. Again. Every time this NCAA debate arises I have to reiterate this one very important point. Those guys were not drafted by Montreal. Without question other teams seem to find these little gems. Montreal doesn’t. Never. They never seem to develop properly in Montreal even when we get them from other teams. Now maybe the developing is going to improve. But until it does, I can’t help but look and see same ol same ol “the proverbial Minnesota HS first rounder to Montreal” that we use to joke about. It ain’t so funny anymore The real problem as I see it, Skilly, is not the NCAA but the Habs management since Serge Savard was fired. Serge wasn't perfect but he was way the hell better than everyone who succeeded him. Scouting, development etc. all derive from management. Ours has been generally terrible. Caufield is a really good example. He is an NTDP guy, who spent 2 years in NCAA and showed well. He came to Montreal and during the Berg/Ducharme era looked like a bust. HuGo and St Louis take over and he's the second coming of Mike Bossy. I'm so ticked off at losing KK because I can imagine what Marty could have done with him. Whether it's crap or honey...they both flow downhill. |
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Post by habsorbed on Mar 21, 2022 0:22:41 GMT -5
Trying to asses the Chariot trade with the Giordano trade. they're both FAs at the end of the year so both rentals with the Leafs and Fla hoping to get the most out of their pick up these playoffs. I haven't seen Gio play much this year and realize he's 38 years old. But I would have thought he was more sought after than Chariot, after all Gio won the Norris only a few years ago. So Habs got a first for Ben. Leafs gave up 2 seconds for Gio. I sBen seen as a bette pick up? Are two seconds worth a first, particularly when the first is in the late 20s?
I know the leafs media lappies are currently working out the parade route, but how much will Giordano help them, or would Ben have helped them more?
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Post by Tankdriver on Mar 21, 2022 11:08:54 GMT -5
I think Chariot would of helped more but the Leafs didn't want to spend a first rounder this year after trading like the past 3 in a row. Once every good D was traded away Seattle didn't really have many other options to deal him to and got what they could from the Leafs.
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Post by folatre on Mar 21, 2022 11:18:51 GMT -5
I think the Habs deep run consolidated the perception that Chiarot is a big, mean d-man who handles hard minutes. Hockey is debatable, but I think Giordano no longer has the legs or physical strength to handle 21-22 minutes a night in high leverage situations.
Giordano probably would have been a perfect fit in Calgary, slotting in the third pair. But obviously the Flames already spent of a lot of capital on Toffoli and Jarnkrok, so maybe Treveling just felt like Giordano was a luxury he could do without.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 21, 2022 15:41:09 GMT -5
On TSN they showed Chiarot skating by himself on the 2nd ice pad at Brossard today, he'll join the Panthers when they come to town Thursday... doesnt give the media team much time to create something but I expect it to be well done.
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Post by habsorbed on Mar 21, 2022 16:00:14 GMT -5
On TSN they showed Chiarot skating by himself on the 2nd ice pad at Brossard today, he'll join the Panthers when they come to town Thursday... doesnt give the media team much time to create something but I expect it to be well done. They would have had almost a week which should be ample time. It's not as if there are a whole lot of hi-lites to choose from.  |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 21, 2022 16:15:38 GMT -5
On TSN they showed Chiarot skating by himself on the 2nd ice pad at Brossard today, he'll join the Panthers when they come to town Thursday... doesnt give the media team much time to create something but I expect it to be well done. They would have had almost a week which should be ample time. It's not as if there are a whole lot of hi-lites to choose from. Bwwwaaaahhhhh |
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