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Post by Skilly on Apr 9, 2022 20:43:04 GMT -5
Gallagher should never be carrying the puck on the PP ..go to the net and stay there
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Post by jkr on Apr 9, 2022 21:03:19 GMT -5
Is it just me or does Tavares not look like an 11 million dollar player?
He had a great 1st season but in the subsequent 3 seasons ( including this one) he is less than a PPG player in each of those seasons. This year he has been through a 14 game goalless streak and is a -7. IMO he's just not worth it and his salary handcuffs the Leafs ( That's a good thing).
Anyway, kudos to the guys for making the game competitive after a bad 1st period.
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Post by folatre on Apr 9, 2022 22:51:10 GMT -5
Tavares is still effective offensively and defensively in his own way. But the reality is, from a production perspective, he lives on power play cookies. He is not really able to drive anything.
The refs made some really soft calls tonight, generally against Montreal though not exclusively.
Montembeault came in cold off the bench and did more than one could realistically ask against a stacked offensive team who gets multiple power plays each period.
I would reunite Anderson with Suzuki and Caufield because he was creating all kinds of problems for opponents when St. Louis first put that line together. Pitlick does not lay the body on the forecheck and he is kind of soft along the boards (evidenced by his silly dangle and back pass that led directly to a goal).
Yeah, I think that an abundance of data would suggest that Gallagher is ill-suited to carrying and handling the puck on the power play. For me his only role on the power play is net front on the second wave. Having him on the right half wall with the man advantage is perplexing. Montreal, going forward into next season and beyond, really needs to fix the power play. Marty St. Louis has fixed many things but unfortunately the power play is still terrible.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 10, 2022 8:00:35 GMT -5
Tavares is still effective offensively and defensively in his own way. But the reality is, from a production perspective, he lives on power play cookies. He is not really able to drive anything. The refs made some really soft calls tonight, generally against Montreal though not exclusively. Montembeault came in cold off the bench and did more than one could realistically ask against a stacked offensive team who gets multiple power plays each period. I would reunite Anderson with Suzuki and Caufield because he was creating all kinds of problems for opponents when St. Louis first put that line together. Pitlick does not lay the body on the forecheck and he is kind of soft along the boards (evidenced by his silly dangle and back pass that led directly to a goal). Yeah, I think that an abundance of data would suggest that Gallagher is ill-suited to carrying and handling the puck on the power play. For me his only role on the power play is net front on the second wave. Having him on the right half wall with the man advantage is perplexing. Montreal, going forward into next season and beyond, really needs to fix the power play. Marty St. Louis has fixed many things but unfortunately the power play is still terrible. MSL said he wants bGal to change the way he plays... I dont think he can take the abuse in front of the net anymore... and to try and miche him they have to make him productive |
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Post by jkr on Apr 10, 2022 9:08:47 GMT -5
Tavares is still effective offensively and defensively in his own way. But the reality is, from a production perspective, he lives on power play cookies. He is not really able to drive anything. The refs made some really soft calls tonight, generally against Montreal though not exclusively. Montembeault came in cold off the bench and did more than one could realistically ask against a stacked offensive team who gets multiple power plays each period. I would reunite Anderson with Suzuki and Caufield because he was creating all kinds of problems for opponents when St. Louis first put that line together. Pitlick does not lay the body on the forecheck and he is kind of soft along the boards (evidenced by his silly dangle and back pass that led directly to a goal). Yeah, I think that an abundance of data would suggest that Gallagher is ill-suited to carrying and handling the puck on the power play. For me his only role on the power play is net front on the second wave. Having him on the right half wall with the man advantage is perplexing. Montreal, going forward into next season and beyond, really needs to fix the power play. Marty St. Louis has fixed many things but unfortunately the power play is still terrible. MSL said he wants bGal to change the way he plays... I dont think he can take the abuse in front of the net anymore... and to try and miche him they have to make him productive His career was made as a net crasher but he also used to have the ability to score from some distance. Those goals off the rush from inside the face off circle just aren't there anymore. His shot seems to have disappeared as his injuries have mounted. He has to be close to the net to score. A lot of people could see that except Bergevin of course who has saddled the team with another immovable contract. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 10, 2022 10:28:29 GMT -5
MSL said he wants bGal to change the way he plays... I dont think he can take the abuse in front of the net anymore... and to try and miche him they have to make him productive His career was made as a net crasher but he also used to have the ability to score from some distance. Those goals off the rush from inside the face off circle just aren't there anymore. His shot seems to have disappeared as his injuries have mounted. He has to be close to the net to score. A lot of people could see that except Bergevin of course who has saddled the team with another immovable contract. I lost count of how many times bGal has gotten a puck to the hand along with the million slashes, its no wonder he can't shoot anymore |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 10, 2022 10:57:30 GMT -5
His career was made as a net crasher but he also used to have the ability to score from some distance. Those goals off the rush from inside the face off circle just aren't there anymore. His shot seems to have disappeared as his injuries have mounted. He has to be close to the net to score. A lot of people could see that except Bergevin of course who has saddled the team with another immovable contract. I lost count of how many times bGal has gotten a puck to the hand along with the million slashes, its no wonder he can't shoot anymore People were too concerned about trying to anoint him the next captain to notice ... they should have traded him 2 seasons ago to get max value return. |
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 10, 2022 11:23:23 GMT -5
Tavares is still effective offensively and defensively in his own way. But the reality is, from a production perspective, he lives on power play cookies. He is not really able to drive anything. The refs made some really soft calls tonight, generally against Montreal though not exclusively. Montembeault came in cold off the bench and did more than one could realistically ask against a stacked offensive team who gets multiple power plays each period. I would reunite Anderson with Suzuki and Caufield because he was creating all kinds of problems for opponents when St. Louis first put that line together. Pitlick does not lay the body on the forecheck and he is kind of soft along the boards (evidenced by his silly dangle and back pass that led directly to a goal). Yeah, I think that an abundance of data would suggest that Gallagher is ill-suited to carrying and handling the puck on the power play. For me his only role on the power play is net front on the second wave. Having him on the right half wall with the man advantage is perplexing. Montreal, going forward into next season and beyond, really needs to fix the power play. Marty St. Louis has fixed many things but unfortunately the power play is still terrible. I've said many times that the Leafs downfall is JT's contract. He is a 2nd line centre. He is not a #1 on a contender. You can't pay him $11 million - that's among the highest in the league. He never was one of the best in the league. He's worth about $7, and getting older. Gally and Hoff should not be carrying the puck on the PP. Pitlick is not smart and I don't think he'll learn. He's got some talent but I don't believe he adds to Suze and Cole - more often disrupts. Anderson is a better fit as he brings a different dimension to the line with his size and speed. Pitlick would be more useful on the on the second line. I feel for Gally as he is half the player he was. His shot is the least of his problems. His skating looks slow and clumsy - seems to be scrambling to keep up with the play. Love his heart but his glory days are over and that contract is a killer. He was way underpaid for a long time and now he's way overpaid for what is going to be a very very long time. |
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 10, 2022 11:32:18 GMT -5
It was a good night: we lost yet gave the Leaf fans some fits. It would have been a momentary sense of joy had we scored on that last PP and then won in OT. But we gotta lose for the future - "Just lose baby!"
Speaking of having fits, I was having fits with Habs inability to clear the zone when they had clear possession and Matthew's line was out there. It's not complicated: get the puck the f%ck out. If you're playing the possession game that's fine except when Matthews is out there. What ever line is on has to know to get the puck out. Let them start over and gain the zone. Man that was frustrating.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 10, 2022 14:15:45 GMT -5
I lost count of how many times bGal has gotten a puck to the hand along with the million slashes, its no wonder he can't shoot anymore People were too concerned about trying to anoint him the next captain to notice ... they should have traded him 2 seasons ago to get max value return. There were several guys they could have traded 2 seasons ago. We could have been looking at an upcoming juggernaut. |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 10, 2022 15:45:02 GMT -5
People were too concerned about trying to anoint him the next captain to notice ... they should have traded him 2 seasons ago to get max value return. There were several guys they could have traded 2 seasons ago. We could have been looking at an upcoming juggernaut. I’ve been on the trade Gallagher (BC convinced me) and trade Price wagon for quite a while |
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Post by PTH on Apr 10, 2022 19:04:21 GMT -5
There were several guys they could have traded 2 seasons ago. We could have been looking at an upcoming juggernaut. I’ve been on the trade Gallagher (BC convinced me) and trade Price wagon for quite a while I wanted to trade Petry years ago, for Gallagher, I was unsure about moving him, but the contract he signed was silly from the start. Same for Price's extension. I was worried early that Berg would give big contracts to defensive D, but it turns out he gave big contracts to guys who played well under his regime, even if their future expected performance wasn't worth the money being given. |
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Post by PTH on Apr 10, 2022 19:07:02 GMT -5
Tavares is still effective offensively and defensively in his own way. But the reality is, from a production perspective, he lives on power play cookies. He is not really able to drive anything. ... I've said many times that the Leafs downfall is JT's contract. He is a 2nd line centre. He is not a #1 on a contender. You can't pay him $11 million - that's among the highest in the league. He never was one of the best in the league. He's worth about $7, and getting older. .... I've actually suggested Price (once healthy) for JT - we'd get a 2nd top 6 center, and would get out from Price's contract, and Toronto could hope to get a playoff run or two out of it. And if Price is LTIRetired, Toronto is a cap team anyways so it wouldn't hurt too much. If we draft a winger this year, it makes even more sense. If we draft Wright, then perhaps not. |
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Post by folatre on Apr 10, 2022 20:32:50 GMT -5
Tavares is the captain and has a full NMC, so I imagine he would not agree to leave a contending team in his hometown to play for a rebuilding team.
If Price is willing to waive his NMC at all, I would imagine the move would take him out West to a contender and Montreal would have to eat serious money.
Bergevin was willing to accept crazy term for vets he believed in (Price, Weber, Gallagher), but I believe that was a reflection of his old school values (i.e. you reward people around you for what they have accomplished).
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 10, 2022 23:59:39 GMT -5
Would seem one cannot support the opposing team while at a Leafs home game regardless of one's age. ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl-young-canadiens-fan-asked-to-leave-leafs-game-after-suzuki-gifts-him-a-stick-003324364.htmlAt first I thought this was an April fools story. But no, it is the real thing at a Leafs game. Let's assume the stick may be seen as a weapon (won't go into the miniature sticks they sell at the souvenir stores which could do a lot more damage in close quarters than a 5 foot stick), could the kid not be allowed to leave it somewhere to pick up after the game? And as if the kid would have been told to leave if he had been given a stick but Marner or Matthews. And then apparently the Leafs, recognizing how outrageous their treatment of the kid was, they may invite him to one of the Leafs remaining games. HELLO! The kid doesn't want to see Canada's most pathetic team, going on 7 decades now. He wants to see the Habs and Nick! There's another kid that will hate all things Leafs. Welcome to the club kid! |
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Post by PTH on Apr 11, 2022 0:48:54 GMT -5
Tavares is the captain and has a full NMC, so I imagine he would not agree to leave a contending team in his hometown to play for a rebuilding team. I know, though sometimes players are willing to let themselves get moved once they know their team doesn't want them anymore. And hey, a guys gotta dream - and I'd love to see a Suzuki-Caufield top line, and a 2nd line with Tavares and Slafkovsky. Talk about a rebuild on the fly. I really, really hope we don't retain on Price, since that leaves us taking a lot of risk - if he LTIRetires, then the money is still used up, whereas the acquiring team at least gets LTIR cap relief. I'd thinking we're far better off getting an equally bad contract in return, and try and get by with that player. Vlasic ? Tavares ? I don't know, but someone we can field until a buyout is tolerable. Yup, and I think he didn't realize the extent to which Covid would change contracts for the medium term. A lot of summer 2020 contracts seemed not to take Covid into account. Petry's, for example, was reasonable for pre-Covid times, but made no sense for the new reality. |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 11, 2022 1:00:55 GMT -5
I've said many times that the Leafs downfall is JT's contract. He is a 2nd line centre. He is not a #1 on a contender. You can't pay him $11 million - that's among the highest in the league. He never was one of the best in the league. He's worth about $7, and getting older.
I've got a slightly different take on Tavares and on the Leafs (just for some fun discussion). JT is not the player he was, but he is still an elite scorer and it is not a coincidence that the Leafs (despite momentum carrying them to a 3-1 lead) lost to the Habs after he was concussed and all the scoring pressure fell on Matthews.
If I was Dubas (I fantasize making that kind of money), knowing the CAP headache I was creating by signing Tavares, I'd have put Matthews on the block. That would leave you with JT as the #1 centre, Nazim Kadri at #2, a scorer in Nylander, an elite all around player in Marner and the Haul you would get for Matthews. You'd have teams lining up to give you an A++ defense prospect, an A+ centre prospect, an A Goalie prospect and 2 or 3 first round picks. CAP problem solved, you'd have a team with very few holes in it. You'd lose a media darling and a guy who never seems to win anything but personal trophies.
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 11, 2022 1:05:37 GMT -5
Trading Carey would never benefit us unless you found a GM that was mindless, and that ain't going to happen - Milbury was fired.
Best case scenarios for Carey and the Habs are: 1) he regains his game and can play at a top level for another few years (not betting on this one as it seems he is both physically and mentally unwell); or 2) he is unable to play or not at a NHL level which means a demotion which he won't accept and he retires gracefully, or goes on LTIR with his buddy from BC Shea, and they can go fishing while continuing to rake in the big bucks.
I'm betting on the latter.
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 11, 2022 1:14:53 GMT -5
I've said many times that the Leafs downfall is JT's contract. He is a 2nd line centre. He is not a #1 on a contender. You can't pay him $11 million - that's among the highest in the league. He never was one of the best in the league. He's worth about $7, and getting older. I've got a slightly different take on Tavares and on the Leafs (just for some fun discussion). JT is not the player he was, but he is still an elite scorer and it is not a coincidence that the Leafs (despite momentum carrying them to a 3-1 lead) lost to the Habs after he was concussed and all the scoring pressure fell on Matthews.
If I was Dubas (I fantasize making that kind of money), knowing the CAP headache I was creating by signing Tavares, I'd have put Matthews on the block. That would leave you with JT as the #1 centre, Nazim Kadri at #2, a scorer in Nylander, an elite all around player in Marner and the Haul you would get for Matthews. You'd have teams lining up to give you an A++ defense prospect, an A+ centre prospect, an A Goalie prospect and 2 or 3 first round picks. CAP problem solved, you'd have a team with very few holes in it. You'd lose a media darling and a guy who never seems to win anything but personal trophies.
Not quite sure how Kadri comes back to the Leafs. He's a FA in a few months and will be looking for north of $8 million. And at 31, he ain't worth that long term. But Dubas may be stupid enough. Leafs can't afford that. Why your plan for Matthews may happen in a year or so is Matthews is a FA in 2 years time. I'm betting he wants a US city to play in and Dubas will have to trade him. |
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Post by PTH on Apr 11, 2022 3:11:26 GMT -5
Trading Carey would never benefit us unless you found a GM that was mindless, and that ain't going to happen - Milbury was fired. Best case scenarios for Carey and the Habs are: 1) he regains his game and can play at a top level for another few years (not betting on this one as it seems he is both physically and mentally unwell); or 2) he is unable to play or not at a NHL level which means a demotion which he won't accept and he retires gracefully, or goes on LTIR with his buddy from BC Shea, and they can go fishing while continuing to rake in the big bucks. I'm betting on the latter. Frankly, I'm thinking he'll be in and out of the lineup until some big injury takes him out permanently. I'm not so worried about that final injury, it's the yo-yo in and out of the lineup that'll be hell for the next couple of seasons. Allen can take over as #1 for short bursts, but who's the backup ? Primeau might get a shot, but if he's not ready, do we dare get someone who is, to only give them a dozen games (max) before Carey's back? So we'll have a lot of instability in goal for a while, and the upside of having a gamer for the playoffs isn't worth much to a rebuilding team. Right now I wish Seattle had taken Carey and we could be looking at the future with more options open and not a huge uncertainty that won't resolve anytime soon. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 11, 2022 7:54:55 GMT -5
Would seem one cannot support the opposing team while at a Leafs home game regardless of one's age. ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl-young-canadiens-fan-asked-to-leave-leafs-game-after-suzuki-gifts-him-a-stick-003324364.htmlAt first I thought this was an April fools story. But no, it is the real thing at a Leafs game. Let's assume the stick may be seen as a weapon (won't go into the miniature sticks they sell at the souvenir stores which could do a lot more damage in close quarters than a 5 foot stick), could the kid not be allowed to leave it somewhere to pick up after the game? And as if the kid would have been told to leave if he had been given a stick but Marner or Matthews. And then apparently the Leafs, recognizing how outrageous their treatment of the kid was, they may invite him to one of the Leafs remaining games. HELLO! The kid doesn't want to see Canada's most pathetic team, going on 7 decades now. He wants to see the Habs and Nick! There's another kid that will hate all things Leafs. Welcome to the club kid! I'll bet if the stick was from pimp stache or princess Marner the kid would have been allowed to bash a habs fan over head repeatedly Funny this story isn't on TSN or Saperlipopettenet The Habs needs to jump on this and invite the kid, all expenses paid to the owners box. Put it up on the big screen... |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 11, 2022 9:23:28 GMT -5
Bad look for MLSE. It is buzzing in twitterverse.
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Post by jkr on Apr 11, 2022 13:18:58 GMT -5
Couldn't they have just taken the stick for safe keeping and let him pick it up after the game. Way to go MLSE, bully a grade school kid out of your building. Morons.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 11, 2022 16:41:36 GMT -5
I've got a slightly different take on Tavares and on the Leafs (just for some fun discussion). JT is not the player he was, but he is still an elite scorer and it is not a coincidence that the Leafs (despite momentum carrying them to a 3-1 lead) lost to the Habs after he was concussed and all the scoring pressure fell on Matthews.
If I was Dubas (I fantasize making that kind of money), knowing the CAP headache I was creating by signing Tavares, I'd have put Matthews on the block. That would leave you with JT as the #1 centre, Nazim Kadri at #2, a scorer in Nylander, an elite all around player in Marner and the Haul you would get for Matthews. You'd have teams lining up to give you an A++ defense prospect, an A+ centre prospect, an A Goalie prospect and 2 or 3 first round picks. CAP problem solved, you'd have a team with very few holes in it. You'd lose a media darling and a guy who never seems to win anything but personal trophies.
Not quite sure how Kadri comes back to the Leafs. He's a FA in a few months and will be looking for north of $8 million. And at 31, he ain't worth that long term. But Dubas may be stupid enough. Leafs can't afford that. Why your plan for Matthews may happen in a year or so is Matthews is a FA in 2 years time. I'm betting he wants a US city to play in and Dubas will have to trade him. The scenario I painted was for the summer of 2018, when Dubas signed Tavares. Kadri was still a Leaf at the time. |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 11, 2022 16:43:37 GMT -5
Right now I wish Seattle had taken Carey and we could be looking at the future with more options open and not a huge uncertainty that won't resolve anytime soon. Many of us agree, but Seattle thought this through and didn't like that contract. Along with the question marks over his durability, they made the right decision. |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 11, 2022 20:05:09 GMT -5
Right now I wish Seattle had taken Carey and we could be looking at the future with more options open and not a huge uncertainty that won't resolve anytime soon. Many of us agree, but Seattle thought this through and didn't like that contract. Along with the question marks over his durability, they made the right decision. I'm still waiting for everything to be explained |
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Post by PTH on Apr 11, 2022 22:49:31 GMT -5
Many of us agree, but Seattle thought this through and didn't like that contract. Along with the question marks over his durability, they made the right decision. I'm still waiting for everything to be explained I suspect we'll never know for sure. I'm just assuming he got addicted to pain killers, and beating that while also recovering from surgery (from the hip that initially caused the need for painkillers) was quite a battle. And for the rest of his contract, we just can't be sure if Carey will be able to stay healthy. That will be cap hell to manage. |
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 12, 2022 0:52:34 GMT -5
Would seem one cannot support the opposing team while at a Leafs home game regardless of one's age. ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl-young-canadiens-fan-asked-to-leave-leafs-game-after-suzuki-gifts-him-a-stick-003324364.htmlAt first I thought this was an April fools story. But no, it is the real thing at a Leafs game. Let's assume the stick may be seen as a weapon (won't go into the miniature sticks they sell at the souvenir stores which could do a lot more damage in close quarters than a 5 foot stick), could the kid not be allowed to leave it somewhere to pick up after the game? And as if the kid would have been told to leave if he had been given a stick but Marner or Matthews. And then apparently the Leafs, recognizing how outrageous their treatment of the kid was, they may invite him to one of the Leafs remaining games. HELLO! The kid doesn't want to see Canada's most pathetic team, going on 7 decades now. He wants to see the Habs and Nick! There's another kid that will hate all things Leafs. Welcome to the club kid! I'll bet if the stick was from pimp stache or princess Marner the kid would have been allowed to bash a habs fan over head repeatedly Funny this story isn't on TSN or Saperlipopettenet The Habs needs to jump on this and invite the kid, all expenses paid to the owners box. Put it up on the big screen... WD, you should be part of the Habs marketing team - if not the director. Habs have arranged for kid to attend this Saturday's game against the Caps. If they introduce him, the crowd will go nuts. When I get the gm job I will get me people to call your people! The leafs PR says kid was offered a safe place to keep the stick until the game ended. Kid said I ain't releasing the stick to anyone and decided to leave the game. Gotta love the kid's spunk. Then again, kid probably feared he'd see Marner using the stick late in the 3rd period  |
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 12, 2022 7:16:34 GMT -5
I'll bet if the stick was from pimp stache or princess Marner the kid would have been allowed to bash a habs fan over head repeatedly Funny this story isn't on TSN or Saperlipopettenet The Habs needs to jump on this and invite the kid, all expenses paid to the owners box. Put it up on the big screen... WD, you should be part of the Habs marketing team - if not the director. Habs have arranged for kid to attend this Saturday's game against the Caps. If they introduce him, the crowd will go nuts. When I get the gm job I will get me people to call your people! The leafs PR says kid was offered a safe place to keep the stick until the game ended. Kid said I ain't releasing the stick to anyone and decided to leave the game. Gotta love the kid's spunk. Then again, kid probably feared he'd see Marner using the stick late in the 3rd period lol... I messaged Slick Nick on IG, right after my post above, and sent him the link to the story and what I wrote above. Glad to see this happen. |
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Post by jkr on Apr 12, 2022 7:35:22 GMT -5
I'll bet if the stick was from pimp stache or princess Marner the kid would have been allowed to bash a habs fan over head repeatedly Funny this story isn't on TSN or Saperlipopettenet The Habs needs to jump on this and invite the kid, all expenses paid to the owners box. Put it up on the big screen... WD, you should be part of the Habs marketing team - if not the director. Habs have arranged for kid to attend this Saturday's game against the Caps. If they introduce him, the crowd will go nuts. When I get the gm job I will get me people to call your people! The leafs PR says kid was offered a safe place to keep the stick until the game ended. Kid said I ain't releasing the stick to anyone and decided to leave the game. Gotta love the kid's spunk. Then again, kid probably feared he'd see Marner using the stick late in the 3rd period If the Leafs PR spin is true than its not as bad a look for them. I van understand their reluctance to let people have sticks while watching a game. |
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