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Post by madhabber on Jul 19, 2022 8:49:47 GMT -5
Maybe someone who is a little more knowledgeable on the NHL rules can pipe in here but I've got a scenario that I'd like to run by.
PDL signs a 1 game contract to play in Europe. Sweden, Finland, Slovak or Swiss league or even France, it doesn't matter. It's only 1 game, it could be 1 shift. Let's just make it the first game of the season in the league that starts first. Then as I understand it, he has until December to sign his qualifying offer from WPG. But since he has played in Europe this season, he has to be put through waivers. Who picks first starting the year. They pick in reverse order that they finished the previous season. MTL picks first and picks him up on waivers.
Could this work?
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Post by PTH on Jul 19, 2022 9:52:48 GMT -5
Maybe someone who is a little more knowledgeable on the NHL rules can pipe in here but I've got a scenario that I'd like to run by. PDL signs a 1 game contract to play in Europe. Sweden, Finland, Slovak or Swiss league or even France, it doesn't matter. It's only 1 game, it could be 1 shift. Let's just make it the first game of the season in the league that starts first. Then as I understand it, he has until December to sign his qualifying offer from WPG. But since he has played in Europe this season, he has to be put through waivers. Who picks first starting the year. They pick in reverse order that they finished the previous season. MTL picks first and picks him up on waivers. Could this work? The qualifying offer expires in the next few days, and Winnipeg won't extend it indefinitely. They wouldn't lose their asset for nothing if they can help it. |
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 19, 2022 9:59:09 GMT -5
My preference is to wait as I don't want to deal with Dub's contract in 2 years. But if we can sign him long term now then that alleviates that concern.
Solution for me is Jets allow Habs to negotiate with Dub and they reach an 8 year deal for $8 million, perhaps even less if Dub really wants to wear The Jersey. Habs then send Gally or Anderson, Dvo or Dach, and a 2nd round pick to Jets. And even throw in Drouin. Would that be doable?
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Post by madhabber on Jul 19, 2022 11:09:56 GMT -5
My preference is to wait as I don't want to deal with Dub's contract in 2 years. But if we can sign him long term now then that alleviates that concern. Solution for me is Jets allow Habs to negotiate with Dub and they reach an 8 year deal for $8 million, perhaps even less if Dub really wants to wear The Jersey. Habs then send Gally or Anderson, Dvo or Dach, and a 2nd round pick to Jets. And even throw in Drouin. Would that be doable? Thanks PTH. I was under the impression that the QO expired in early December. Oh well. I guess we'll have to listen to insane trade proposal on both sides for what will seem forever still. |
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Post by Habit on Jul 19, 2022 11:53:23 GMT -5
My preference is to wait as I don't want to deal with Dub's contract in 2 years. But if we can sign him long term now then that alleviates that concern. Solution for me is Jets allow Habs to negotiate with Dub and they reach an 8 year deal for $8 million, perhaps even less if Dub really wants to wear The Jersey. Habs then send Gally or Anderson, Dvo or Dach, and a 2nd round pick to Jets. And even throw in Drouin. Would that be doable? Thanks PTH. I was under the impression that the QO expired in early December. Oh well. I guess we'll have to listen to insane trade proposal on both sides for what will seem forever still. Maybe this will have it's own thread by then  . And it may challenge for the longest ( Dagenais in 2005 with 31 pages?) |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 19, 2022 13:14:23 GMT -5
Pierre Luc Dubois is no Dagenais.  |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 19, 2022 14:13:07 GMT -5
My preference is to wait as I don't want to deal with Dub's contract in 2 years. But if we can sign him long term now then that alleviates that concern. Solution for me is Jets allow Habs to negotiate with Dub and they reach an 8 year deal for $8 million, perhaps even less if Dub really wants to wear The Jersey. Habs then send Gally or Anderson, Dvo or Dach, and a 2nd round pick to Jets. And even throw in Drouin. Would that be doable? I we have to get Dubois, the I would prefer next year, let's make one more run at being a cellar dweller, see what we get and go from there... Also Dub will get endorsement offers like crazy in Quebec, he'll be the poster boy... and Hughes needs to use that if he ends up negotiating with PLD... |
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Post by jkr on Jul 19, 2022 14:44:07 GMT -5
Thanks PTH. I was under the impression that the QO expired in early December. Oh well. I guess we'll have to listen to insane trade proposal on both sides for what will seem forever still. Maybe this will have it's own thread by then . And it may challenge for the longest ( Dagenais in 2005 with 31 pages?) How long was the Dyment thread? |
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Post by Cranky on Jul 19, 2022 14:51:17 GMT -5
"And when you come to the Habs in two years, all grown up, I expect you to crush and destroy. Make Daddy Cranky proud of you!"  |
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Post by franko on Jul 19, 2022 16:49:38 GMT -5
Maybe this will have it's own thread by then . And it may challenge for the longest ( Dagenais in 2005 with 31 pages?) How long was the Dyment thread? 23 years |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 19, 2022 18:12:09 GMT -5
How long was the Dyment thread? 23 years Best... answer... ever... because its true |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 19, 2022 23:05:31 GMT -5
The really hard part as a Hab fan who is extremely tired of losing, is putting up with yet one more year with a top 10 finish, hopefully top 5. This is a very strong draft year at the top. We've put up with 5 extra years of Bergevin, which hurt considerably, but at least we got some reward out of it with Caufield, Guhle and Slafkovsky. Timmins pulled a couple of other rabbits out of hats with Josh Roy and Sean Farrell and if Lane Hutson pans out AND we can get a guy like Bedard or even a tier below that, we're off to the races. It's only one more year.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 22, 2022 21:04:08 GMT -5
The personality on this kid
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 22, 2022 22:34:06 GMT -5
I see Slaf is going with his lucky #20. Lots of spare parts have worn that number over the past few years for the Habs. But I always loved Pete who was about the same size as Slafs. Let's hope Slafs can break all of Pete's season point records - many times!  |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 23, 2022 0:23:09 GMT -5
At least he's a better skater than Petey was.
I'm just really happy he doesn't have an offensive lineman's number. 20 is good. Im trying to remember who else wore it. Phil Roberto? Mike Johnson. No real stars (sorry Mike, but none of the others could hold a Mike to you analyst wise). Richard Zednik.
Maybe 20 will hang from the rafters in 20 years time.
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 23, 2022 1:14:38 GMT -5
The personality on this kid The guy knows how to play it. He's smart, cute, funny, and confident. He and Cole will be a breath of fresh air. Will be interesting to see how they gel, on and off the ice. But right now, I'd love to go on a fishing trip with these two - could have a great time even if there were no beer.  |
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Post by Skilly on Jul 23, 2022 7:22:21 GMT -5
At least he's a better skater than Petey was. I'm just really happy he doesn't have an offensive lineman's number. 20 is good. Im trying to remember who else wore it. Phil Roberto? Mike Johnson. No real stars (sorry Mike, but none of the others could hold a Mike to you analyst wise). Richard Zednik. Maybe 20 will hang from the rafters in 20 years time. Jean Beliveau wore #20 in 1951, Ralph Backstrom wore it in 1957, Guy Carbonneau wore it in 1981 Other notables Kjell Dahlin - rookie scoring leader Valeri Bure Mark Hunter We had some one year short stinters Robert Lang Jyrkii Lumme Bryan Smolinski James Wisniewski PJ Stock - maybe #20 is the analyst number And don't forget The Purse Snatcher wore it too |
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Post by jkr on Jul 23, 2022 8:29:06 GMT -5
I see Slaf is going with his lucky #20. Lots of spare parts have worn that number over the past few years for the Habs. But I always loved Pete who was about the same size as Slafs. Let's hope Slafs can break all of Pete's season point records - many times! Didn't Wideman wear 20 last season? Did he agree to a change? Based on guys that aren't coming back I think that 6, 8, 13, 25, 26, 27 and 77 are available. If Niku doesnt return, then 15 is alao open. EDIT: just looked at Habs website. Wiseman is now wearing 6 and Matheson 8, Dach takes 77. |
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 23, 2022 10:36:11 GMT -5
I see Slaf is going with his lucky #20. Lots of spare parts have worn that number over the past few years for the Habs. But I always loved Pete who was about the same size as Slafs. Let's hope Slafs can break all of Pete's season point records - many times! Didn't Wideman wear 20 last season? Did he agree to a change? Based on guys that aren't coming back I think that 6, 8, 13, 25, 26, 27 and 77 are available. If Niku doesnt return, then 15 is alao open. EDIT: just looked at Habs website. Wiseman is now wearing 6 and Matheson 8, Dach takes 77. And I note 80 is still available for the big trade that's coming  |
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Post by Andrew on Jul 27, 2022 16:23:08 GMT -5
Some news from a couple of days ago regarding Slaf:
Too bad cause I was curious to see how he'd perform on that stage. It also got me wondering what the best development path is for him. Obviously he's physically ready for the NHL, but are there parts of his game that would benefit from refinement at a lower level of competition? What even are the options (AHL, CHL, Liiga?). Curious to know what others think.
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Post by HABsurd on Jul 27, 2022 16:37:28 GMT -5
I see Slaf is going with his lucky #20. Lots of spare parts have worn that number over the past few years for the Habs. But I always loved Pete who was about the same size as Slafs. Let's hope Slafs can break all of Pete's season point records - many times! Didn't Wideman wear 20 last season? Did he agree to a change? Based on guys that aren't coming back I think that 6, 8, 13, 25, 26, 27 and 77 are available. If Niku doesnt return, then 15 is alao open. EDIT: just looked at Habs website. Wiseman is now wearing 6 and Matheson 8, Dach takes 77. Wideman offered the number 20 as a welcoming gesture: www.nhl.com/canadiens/news/a-gift-from-chris-to-juraj/c-335096854 |
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Post by folatre on Jul 27, 2022 17:41:42 GMT -5
It is a nice gesture. It is also a sensible decision because in the absence of such a gesture the GM is probably telling him 'look Wides, give the equipment manager a call, you need to pick another number.'
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Post by Cranky on Jul 27, 2022 18:02:27 GMT -5
You people are so SOFT! I prefer to think that Hughes went Putin. While pouring a cup of tea for Wideman..."BEFORE you drink that cup of tea, consider giving our future your number from your kindness and your HEALTH" A forced smile can go a LONG way...  |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 27, 2022 18:10:42 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm thinking that during that discussion with Wideman, the matter of ice time was subtly inserted. "A number 6 is much more likely to get ice time than a 20. Six is so much more a defenseman's number".
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 28, 2022 0:16:29 GMT -5
At least he's a better skater than Petey was. I'm just really happy he doesn't have an offensive lineman's number. 20 is good. Im trying to remember who else wore it. Phil Roberto? Mike Johnson. No real stars (sorry Mike, but none of the others could hold a Mike to you analyst wise). Richard Zednik. Maybe 20 will hang from the rafters in 20 years time. Jean Beliveau wore #20 in 1951, Ralph Backstrom wore it in 1957, Guy Carbonneau wore it in 1981 Other notables Kjell Dahlin - rookie scoring leader Valeri Bure Mark Hunter We had some one year short stinters Robert Lang Jyrkii Lumme Bryan Smolinski James Wisniewski PJ Stock - maybe #20 is the analyst number And don't forget The Purse Snatcher wore it too Color me unimpressed. We went through a terrible (worst ever) season. We ended in last place. We hoped to get Wright for two years. We prayed to win the lottery. Suddenly as luck would have it we had #1 overall after winning a lottery. We picked a kid we knew little about on the basis of one tournaments statistics to go along with underwhelming regular season stats. Not saying he isn't any good, but he's not Wright and he's not a center. We are way over the cap limit with an underperforming Dach still to be signed. We have a load of injury prone Bergevin leftovers we can't give away and a questionable health 10.5 million dollar man with a 50 cent knee, substance abuse problem and a reputation earned years ago. At this point Drouin almost looks like he is a hope for a good season. Love Gallagher and hope to give him a car at center ice but have on expectation he will knock 4 years off his age. All this and the drop of the puck is still weeks away. Even is we get Pierre Luc, how do we pay for him. Please please prove me wrong. |
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Post by Skilly on Jul 28, 2022 7:00:41 GMT -5
Some news from a couple of days ago regarding Slaf: Too bad cause I was curious to see how he'd perform on that stage. It also got me wondering what the best development path is for him. Obviously he's physically ready for the NHL, but are there parts of his game that would benefit from refinement at a lower level of competition? What even are the options (AHL, CHL, Liiga?). Curious to know what others think. My thought is the same as always. If he shows in the pre-season games that he can play, then sending him back (to develop??) is plain dumb. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 28, 2022 14:12:28 GMT -5
I think the kid's got a job on the big team unless he plays himself out of it. The usual issue with any top 10 pick is "is he strong enough to handle the rigors of the season?". I don't think that's a concern with Slafkovsky. The 82 games might be a drain on him as he's not used to playing that much so he'd have to have his playing time managed a bit. He's a beast, so he won't get pushed around. It's better for guys like him to play with better players who aren't in the position of 'doing everything in their power to make the NHL", which can include injuring far better prospects than themselves. There's less respect in the minors than the NHL. It's also better to play with guys who can make and take passes and who can see plays developing.
If he's not ready, it will show itself in training camp.
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