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Post by habsorbed on Sept 11, 2022 13:07:09 GMT -5
I'm going with the favourite Suze. Sure he's young, but he's the prototype Yzerman/Sakic player and they both became captains in their early 20s.
And I'm still trying to figure out why Nick was on the stage at the draft if he is not going to be the next captain.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 11, 2022 14:07:19 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of your best player being your captain, though there are examples where you simply can't avoid that (Beliveau). I don't know who the true leader is on the team...(Gally? Edmundson? Byron? Suzuki? Evans?), but I go with having that guy as the captain. Having said that, I think the captaincy is overblown. He has the responsibility to represent the team in off ice activities which is a distraction. The true leader steps up anyway, whether he's got a C on his jersey or not and the team follows.
I say pick the best looking guy so the team image improves. That's only half cheekiness.
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Post by folatre on Sept 11, 2022 14:55:25 GMT -5
Gorton and Hughes are a new management team. This is a new era. With all due respect to Gallagher and setting aside the fall off in his play, he is closely identified with the former regime and frankly naming him captain would not be a forward-looking move.
For me Suzuki is the guy.
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Post by Skilly on Sept 12, 2022 8:37:28 GMT -5
Suzuki was named captain
Gallagher and Edmundson are assistants
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Post by folatre on Sept 12, 2022 8:57:40 GMT -5
That makes sense. There are quite a number of young captains in the league these days.
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Post by frozone on Sept 12, 2022 9:06:32 GMT -5
I don't mind it, and I do think that Suzuki absolutely deserves a letter. But I don't believe Nick is the leader of the locker room.
Will he hold people accountable? Will he stand up for his teammates when they're getting bullied on the ice? Will he inject passion into his teammates when they need it? I obviously don't think these responsibilities will all fall on Nick, but we know what the media is like when the team is experiencing hard times. It did not go well when Pacioretty had to handle such adversity, so I just hope that Nick has the tools and the support to manage this.
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Post by Skilly on Sept 12, 2022 12:34:29 GMT -5
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Seems they just took half of Gallagher (1)and half of Edmundson (4) and made a captain 🤫😂
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Post by folatre on Sept 12, 2022 13:45:06 GMT -5
I am not saying being the captain of the Canadien is not a big job or that it does not weigh on some guys. But Pacioretty assumed the captaincy in totally different set of circumstances and I think those had a lot to do with why his tenure was not a happy one.
First, Montreal was coming off a trip to the Conference Final and Bergevin (and Therrien) believed the team was built to contend. And my recollection was that both of those men were hyper-obsessed with the guys playing the game 'the right way.' So when the team strayed away from that defensive, collective tenacity approach to hockey, they got in Pacioretty's ear a lot about him needing to send slackers and individualists a message. It is harder and more pressure packed to become the new captain on a team in win-now mode, which in reality was seeing its window closing while no one in management would admit as much.
Second, there was a star player (Subban) about the same age as Pacioretty and probably half the fanbase (and I would imagine a good portion of the dressing room) perceived that Subban had the chops (high level of play, personality) to take on the role. So Pacioretty got saddled with the added burden from that whole situation and it probably only got worse when Subban got traded and a guy (Weber) who everyone knew Bergevin wanted to be the team's captain was suddenly sitting on the other side of the room.
Last, Pacioretty's contract year (2017-18) was a bad one on the ice for him. He was not producing and apparently he told Bergevin the team was not going to progress unless the organization goes out and acquires high end centres.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 12, 2022 13:52:09 GMT -5
Last, Pacioretty's contract year (2017-18) was a bad one on the ice for him. He was not producing and apparently he told Bergevin the team was not going to progress unless the organization goes out and acquires high end centres. Interesting, folatre. Is that information (that Pacioretty was telling Bergevin how to do his job, something only millions of fans were aware of, except MB) credible? I hadn't heard that before, and if so, it increases my respect for Pacioretty, which was never bad to start with. Working for a guy who's not capable is a real struggle. |
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Post by folatre on Sept 12, 2022 17:15:55 GMT -5
It was reported in French and English that a few conversations (including the exit interview) between Pacioretty and Bergevin were tense during 2017-18. Maybe it was speculation but I certainly believe it could have been a leak (Alan Walsh or a reporter Bergevin was close to) was the source.
I had no problem with Pacioretty the player or the person. He was incredibly productive on the contract he signed. And he certainly seems like a nice decent guy. But he was dealt a tough hand in terms of his three year captaincy coinciding with management overrating the Habs' roster, a popular player/personality being traded, and ultimately the wheels falling off for Pacioretty and the team during his final season.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 13, 2022 11:57:19 GMT -5
It was another case of Bergie and his buds blaming someone else for their own failings. Repeat, rinse.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 19, 2022 10:09:55 GMT -5
... didn't want to start a new thread for this one ...
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Post by seventeen on Oct 19, 2022 13:12:23 GMT -5
Just to show how crazy some people are (and with a platform like Twitter available, spreading their disease to the world), there have been suggestions that the Habs were too quick to name a captain and should have waited so Kaiden Guhle could be a candidate. This is a kid who has played 4 games and while he has been a captain almost everywhere he has played, has not yet earned the opportunity in Montreal. There are so many short sighted people out there who want everything and want it now. Without having to go through all that distasteful work that would be involved in earning something. Sigh.
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