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Post by PTH on Feb 28, 2023 18:15:05 GMT -5
Leafs trade Sandin to Caps for Gustavsson and a first. Seems like an overpayment by Washington. Maybe Toronto had to take him to get the 1st. Didnt Dubas see him in the 2021 playoffs. EG was awful. EG is still a warm body on D for a playoff run. I'm just surprised Toronto didn't wait until after the playoffs to make this move. I guess they absolutely needed that cap space for Schenn. For the playoffs, Schenn + Gustafsson is better than Sandin. I guess. ---- I wonder it Toronto might have blown up its chemistry, though. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 28, 2023 18:15:31 GMT -5
Kane only went for a conditional 2nd & a 4th? For a guy of that quality who is on a hot streak that seems like a good deal for NY.
Toronto & TB, for instance, have spent high picks on guys of lesser quality.
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Post by folatre on Feb 28, 2023 18:21:59 GMT -5
Well, if by some miracle, Hughes manages to get someone to bite on Monahan, Montreal will be retaining 50 percent. Carolina is no doubt still in shopping mode so who knows.
Gustafsson is the epitome of a d-man who no sane team would utilize in the playoffs unless they lost multiple starters to injury. Schenn will make Toronto a little tougher to play against. I do not love Sandin but there is no disputing he can play in the NHL, even if it is nothing more than as a third pair/power play guy. So I can see why Washington might see him as a better asset than whoever they could have picked with the Bruins' first rounder.
Chicago got a pittance for Kane, but basically the legendary player with a NMC held all the cards.
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Post by jkr on Feb 28, 2023 18:22:47 GMT -5
Leafs trade Sandin to Caps for Gustavsson and a first. Seems like an overpayment by Washington. Maybe Toronto had to take him to get the 1st. Didnt Dubas see him in the 2021 playoffs. EG was awful. EG is still a warm body on D for a playoff run. I'm just surprised Toronto didn't wait until after the playoffs to make this move. I guess they absolutely needed that cap space for Schenn. For the playoffs, Schenn + Gustafsson is better than Sandin. I guess. ---- I wonder it Toronto might have blown up its chemistry, though. I had the same thought. For the most part, Toronto has been good defensively this year. And I dont understand why teams seemed so interested in Schenn. The guy is 33 and played for 8 teams if my count is right. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 28, 2023 18:29:20 GMT -5
Don't forget edmonton getting eklohm for barrie, shchaffer and a first.
Another spot Edmunson was rumored to go.
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Post by PTH on Feb 28, 2023 18:38:32 GMT -5
I suspect Edmundson not playing tonight was the final straw for the Ekholm deal.... Edmundson could've been plan B (also a way to get Nashville to lower the asking price), but if Edmundson isn't playing, why wait to get Ekholm ?
I think steady Eddie is going to be sticking around. Makes me wonder how we deal with 9 D signed for next season. 5 kids, 3 good veterans, and filler in Wideman. We can always send down Wideman, but that's still 8 D.
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Post by PTH on Feb 28, 2023 18:46:25 GMT -5
Kane only went for a conditional 2nd & a 4th? For a guy of that quality who is on a hot streak that seems like a good deal for NY. Toronto & TB, for instance, have spent high picks on guys of lesser quality. When the player has a NMC and can say "I only want to go to one team", the seller's don't have much leverage... |
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Post by folatre on Feb 28, 2023 18:51:58 GMT -5
I know Barrie puts up big points on the lethal Edmonton powr play. But in the Oilers games I watched this season, Barrie was actually pretty good 5v5. So basically I think Edmonton needs another d-man or else their weakness is still their weakness. Bouchard is brutal defensively. Broberg has nice size and mobility but he is a rookie and kind of soft in general. Desharnais is a physical specimen but he is a green rookie and should not play more than third pair minutes. Assuming Ekholm plays with Nurse, that could really help out Nurse who always seems to be trying to do too much. But the second pair of Ceci and Kulak is not exactly of the quality that most Stanley Cup contenders possess.
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 28, 2023 19:24:24 GMT -5
I know Barrie puts up big points on the lethal Edmonton powr play. But in the Oilers games I watched this season, Barrie was actually pretty good 5v5. So basically I think Edmonton needs another d-man or else their weakness is still their weakness. Bouchard is brutal defensively. Broberg has nice size and mobility but he is a rookie and kind of soft in general. Desharnais is a physical specimen but he is a green rookie and should not play more than third pair minutes. Assuming Ekholm plays with Nurse, that could really help out Nurse who always seems to be trying to do too much. But the second pair of Ceci and Kulak is not exactly of the quality that most Stanley Cup contenders possess. I agree. They need 1 more but I don't seeing them having the draft capital or more importantly the cap space. |
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Post by PTH on Feb 28, 2023 19:36:35 GMT -5
I know Barrie puts up big points on the lethal Edmonton powr play. But in the Oilers games I watched this season, Barrie was actually pretty good 5v5. So basically I think Edmonton needs another d-man or else their weakness is still their weakness. Bouchard is brutal defensively. Broberg has nice size and mobility but he is a rookie and kind of soft in general. Desharnais is a physical specimen but he is a green rookie and should not play more than third pair minutes. Assuming Ekholm plays with Nurse, that could really help out Nurse who always seems to be trying to do too much. But the second pair of Ceci and Kulak is not exactly of the quality that most Stanley Cup contenders possess. I think Nurse and Ekholm both play LD, so Ceci stays on the top pairing, which EDM fans.... don't like. |
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Post by Cranky on Feb 28, 2023 19:47:10 GMT -5
We can trade Edmy for Desharnais in case we don't have enough tougg guys on defense!
With Hutson coming in...
BTW...i was high on Dunn (and so was BC). He seems to have hit his stdide, at least based on stats. He could of been had for used pucks.
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Post by PTH on Feb 28, 2023 19:51:34 GMT -5
We can trade Edmy for Desharnais in case we don't have enough tougg guys on defense! With Hutson coming in... BTW...i was high on Dunn (and so was BC). He seems to have hit his stdide, at least based on stats. He could of been had for used pucks. Any news on BC ? Haven't seen him in a while... |
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Post by Andrew on Feb 28, 2023 20:20:17 GMT -5
Feels like the Oilers are just spinning their wheels. Ekholm add is exactly what they needed, but not if they subtract Barrie to get there.
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Post by jkr on Feb 28, 2023 20:59:43 GMT -5
That's the way I look at it & I find it typical of Holland's tenure. He needed to find a way to get it done without Barrie.
He's wasting the best years of McDavid with half baked moves in goal - Mike Smith- and on the blue line - Duncan Keith for example.
He's had enough time. He should move on.
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Post by Cranky on Feb 28, 2023 21:20:43 GMT -5
We can trade Edmy for Desharnais in case we don't have enough tougg guys on defense! With Hutson coming in... BTW...i was high on Dunn (and so was BC). He seems to have hit his stdide, at least based on stats. He could of been had for used pucks. Any news on BC ? Haven't seen him in a while... I followed him on the old twitter account, but that one went out the window when they wanted my phone number. Since then, about 6 months ago, I lost contact. |
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Post by Cranky on Feb 28, 2023 21:26:27 GMT -5
Elkhom is one of the best defensive defenseman in the league although I don't think that is enough to get them into the east top 3.
Anyone who thinks they can contend are blowing their brains out to get to the next level. Not done yet so let's see what happens.
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Post by habsorbed on Mar 1, 2023 2:30:39 GMT -5
I'm thinking Eddy is going to get us at least a 2nd rounder. Given his injury status, the pick may be conditional on him playing a certain amount of games in the playoffs. Even if he doesn't help the team in the playoffs this year, he does not have a bad cap hit for next year or the team can always trade him this summer or as a rental next year and get back what they gave up to the Habs.
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Post by jkr on Mar 1, 2023 8:05:28 GMT -5
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Post by habsorbed on Mar 1, 2023 10:57:20 GMT -5
What's really surprising is Kings giving up their first round pick. I'm only giving up a first if I'm getting a real good long term return or I got a real chance at the Cup on a rental. Kings got neither. I remember a time when first rounders were treated like gold - not anymore apparently. can't remember seeing so many traded about as in last few weeks. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 1, 2023 11:12:25 GMT -5
What's really surprising is Kings giving up their first round pick. I'm only giving up a first if I'm getting a real good long term return or I got a real chance at the Cup on a rental. Kings got neither. I remember a time when first rounders were treated like gold - not anymore apparently. can't remember seeing so many traded about as in last few weeks. MBHead is a consultant with the kings... does that help answer your question? |
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Post by jkr on Mar 1, 2023 11:22:53 GMT -5
What's really surprising is Kings giving up their first round pick. I'm only giving up a first if I'm getting a real good long term return or I got a real chance at the Cup on a rental. Kings got neither. I remember a time when first rounders were treated like gold - not anymore apparently. can't remember seeing so many traded about as in last few weeks. MBHead is a consultant with the kings... does that help answer your question? LOL forgot about that. The shabby treatment of a long term star should have been a clear giveaway. I wonder if Quick will even play a game for Columbus. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 1, 2023 12:10:48 GMT -5
MBHead is a consultant with the kings... does that help answer your question? LOL forgot about that. The shabby treatment of a long term star should have been a clear giveaway. I wonder if Quick will even play a game for Columbus. I was trying to be funny when I posted MB response... i was also being honest about the burgerbrain effect... |
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Post by PTH on Mar 1, 2023 12:18:50 GMT -5
LOL forgot about that. The shabby treatment of a long term star should have been a clear giveaway. I wonder if Quick will even play a game for Columbus. I was trying to be funny when I posted MB response... i was also being honest about the burgerbrain effect... Meh. When players are highly paid and don't retire when they aren't delivering.... I can't say I care. Quick will earn more during his Columbus exile than I (or even most people in Canada or the USA) will earn in a lifetime. |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 1, 2023 13:04:51 GMT -5
had to be a CAP requirement with $4.1MM joining the Kings. One wonders, though....with Berg as an advisor in LA. Warm, empathetic Bergie. PS. I hadn't read the posts following the one I quoted yet. Had to chuckle. Berg has certainly developed a reputation. |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 1, 2023 17:52:37 GMT -5
So the plan this year was to tank to get Bedard and load up on prospects / picks at the trade deadline. And here we sit, 2 days from the trade deadline, with the real possibility of neither happening
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Post by PTH on Mar 1, 2023 18:17:59 GMT -5
So the plan this year was to tank to get Bedard and load up on prospects / picks at the trade deadline. And here we sit, 2 days from the trade deadline, with the real possibility of neither happening Well, the injuries to Drouin, Edmundson, Byron and Monahan as well as the lackluster play of Dadonov were clearly going to hurt our prospects at gaining more picks... That being said, a lot of players got precious experience this season - we have 5 rookie D who got their first games in, RHP and Ylonen seem to have gone from AHLers to NHLers, Slafkovski took his first steps in the big leagues, Montembeault, Caufield and Suzuki keep on growing into their roles... it's not a wasted season, a large part of an eventual playoff team got needed ice time to take that next step. I'm hoping Gurianov does well enough to be considered part of that group in the future. That being said, who else could we move ? Savard, Matheson, Allen and Anderson all appreciate Montreal and shouldn't be moved too quickly IMO. The kids need to have good veterans around... Hoffman, Gallagher and Armia are impossible to move for contract reasons. The one guy I'd still consider moving would be Dvorak, though that's taking a big risk that Dach keeps on growing into a #2 center and that #3 can be filled in with UFA/Pitlick/Evans... I'm thinking next season is going to be another "teaching" season, after which we hope to at least compete for a playoff spot until we reach the deadline. I do hope we sign a couple of guys to 1-year deals this summer, to try and milk the traditional deadline overpayments. Who will be this summer's Domi and Klingberg? |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 1, 2023 18:41:00 GMT -5
Domi? He's not what i want to infect the kids. His defensive game was lacking and so was his attitude.
Klineburg...i don't know.
Obviously i want to see the Dubois push, which can then free up Dvorak. I suspect that Dach would be killer with Dubois, but I'm ok with the classic two offensive lines, one defensive and one leg breaking line.
It looks like we're stuck with Savard/Edmy for next season. Matheson can still grow. And of course, there is that "growing" offensive menace that may be ready.
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Post by folatre on Mar 1, 2023 19:13:55 GMT -5
I agree with the sentiment that this year has not been a waste. Of course, the rash of injuries to vets and kids alike has been unfortunate. And of course, it would have been nice to have more tradeable assets right now at the dealine and better odds to hit the jackpot for Bedard. But the good news there are a bunch of young guys who got NHL experience and seem to genuinely enjoy playing hockey together. Also, I think St. Louis continues to prove that he has very strong man management skills.
Instead of trading Edmundson now, when there is no pressure to do so, for a third rounder, I would simply endorse waiting. If he gets back in the lineup later this month and logs 10 or 12 games down the stretch and looks fine, then there will be plenty of interested teams in the summer. In a summer deal for a hard nosed stay at home d-man, Washington got two second rounders from Winnipeg for Brendan Dillon. And if Hughes retains money on Edmundson's final year, then his value would be even higher.
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Post by PTH on Mar 1, 2023 19:37:42 GMT -5
Domi? He's not what i want to infect the kids. His defensive game was lacking and so was his attitude. Klineburg...i don't know. Obviously i want to see the Dubois push, which can then free up Dvorak. I suspect that Dach would be killer with Dubois, but I'm ok with the classic two offensive lines, one defensive and one leg breaking line. It looks like we're stuck with Savard/Edmy for next season. Matheson can still grow. And of course, there is that "growing" offensive menace that may be ready. Next year's Domi, not the actual Max Domi we already know.... ie, I named 2 players who signed 1-year deals expecting to get moved at the deadline in the hope of signing bigger UFA deals later on. This summer should be a good one for that kind of player, since many teams are still in a cap crunch, but the cap should start rising afterwards... so putting off a long multi-year commitment might be something on the mind of a lot of players. Of course, maybe the Habs can better weaponize cap space through picking up cheaply a player on his last year of a longer deal, and rent them out in March '24. |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 1, 2023 20:36:47 GMT -5
Losing assets for nothing is never a good business model
However, we got some kids playing time. Ok. How many of those kids are actually apart of the teams immediate future? Not many
We have SiX guys on injured reserve that will return next year. Show me where these kids make this team?
The whole point to the season was to dump the players to make room for the kids (and the 2 hopeful high draft pick in such a strong draft year-I laugh at that, but I digress). If we ain’t dumping anyone, where is the room?
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