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Post by Psycorp on Mar 1, 2004 17:32:17 GMT -5
Viktor Kozlov has been traded to new Jersey for Christian Berglund and defenseman Victor Uchevatov a steal for New Jersey...they get bigger (but not tougher) and more talented. Guess what, he's a right handed center with size... We lose twice by this trade: the team we trail is getting stronger and we lose a player who could have helped us if we had gotten him so cheaply. Oh well, there is still nine days left  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2004 17:35:05 GMT -5
Where was this reported?
EDIT: TSN. Never mind. ;D
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Post by Andrew on Mar 1, 2004 17:46:40 GMT -5
Viktor Kozlov has been traded to new Jersey for Christian Berglund and defenseman Victor Uchevatov a steal for New Jersey...they get bigger (but not tougher) and more talented. Guess what, he's a right handed center with size... We lose twice by this trade: the team we trail is getting stronger and we lose a player who could have helped us if we had gotten him so cheaply. Oh well, there is still nine days left Oh no! You mean we missed out on the opportunity of trading for an injury prone gentle giant who's no better offensively than Koivu or Ribeiro. |
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Post by Psycorp on Mar 1, 2004 18:11:03 GMT -5
Oh no! You mean we missed out on the opportunity of trading for an injury prone gentle giant who's no better offensively than Koivu or Ribeiro. I see your point but the fact is, new jersey is improving, Kozlov is an excellent passer, someone like Elias could greatly benefit this addition. |
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Post by Andrew on Mar 1, 2004 18:23:18 GMT -5
I see your point but the fact is, new jersey is improving, Kozlov is an excellent passer, someone like Elias could greatly benefit this addition. Fair enough - I always hate to see a competitor improve, but dealing for Kozlov wouldn't have made much sense for the Habs - I can't justify making a trade for the sole purpose of preventing the competition from getting him. |
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Post by Psycorp on Mar 1, 2004 18:39:26 GMT -5
From Mtl point of view, since Kozlov can play right wing too, my tough was the following:
On the top two line, do we prefer:
a slow scorer with size who don't use it (Dagenais)
or a fast passer with size who don't use it (Kozlov)
We need a scorer more than a passer on the wing but i really like the speed factor who kind of counter balance the need.
I don't now, it's tricky, i suppose it would depend on who who we would trade for him.
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Post by jkr on Mar 1, 2004 19:31:16 GMT -5
This trade is like most of the others that have happened this season - the rumor mongers in the media had no idea it was coming.
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Post by HFTO on Mar 1, 2004 22:02:44 GMT -5
A Devil type player he's not,might be used as part of a bigger deal.If he does remain he comes relatively cheap and helps them a liitle on offense.
HFTO
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Post by franko on Mar 1, 2004 22:25:29 GMT -5
They have never cared about offense before -- is this a change in philosophy? Or is there no D available to them to replace those who have gone down?
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Post by seventeen on Mar 2, 2004 2:14:06 GMT -5
That's because they've had offense before...enough at least. This year, they're worse than the Habs offensively and there's no sign they're going to get better at that part of the game until Zach Parise joins them. Kozlov will probably help a little, but I can't see him as a playoff type who picks their game up and fights through the usual trash to score.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Mar 2, 2004 9:25:11 GMT -5
I would have liked to see Kozlov in Montreal, even more so when you consider what it cost NJ to get him (i.e. not much). He has been an underachiever most of his career, but it's hard not to like his size and skill level.
When you consider that folks have been promoting a trade for Jeff O'Neill, I'm kind of bummed that we could have snagged a guy like Kozlov for the stretch run and a possible 1st round date with Philly or Toronto.
Where was Bob Gainey when this deal went down?
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Post by DeportivoHabs on Mar 2, 2004 10:20:05 GMT -5
Has no one seen Kozlov play this year?
I am a big supporter of this guy. Last year he was outstanding and this year he has been good despite some nagging injuries.
This guy is huge - and anyone who says he doesn't use it I think seems it in a different light. This guy doesn't play like a roenick or a bertuzzi - but rather like a jagr. He uses his size to open up space for himself and others while controlling the puck.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Mar 2, 2004 10:33:38 GMT -5
Fair enough - I always hate to see a competitor improve, but dealing for Kozlov wouldn't have made much sense for the Habs - I can't justify making a trade for the sole purpose of preventing the competition from getting him. How do you figure? Because Pierre Dagenais is our 2nd line RW? The guy is 6-5, 225 lbs, C/RW, with good skills and skating ability. His profile on TSN mentions his strengths as "great vision on the ice, imposing size and impressive imagination. Loves to handle the puck and does so with skill and finesse." Kozlov would have fit in beautifully on either of the first two lines at RW, which seems to be his favored position. Power Forward is often mentioned as the #1 priority on the team. Kozlov has had consistency problems but NJ was able to get him on the cheap. The more I think about this trade the more pissed off I get. If Gainey just doesn't like Kozlov then fine, but this is one of the reasons why NJ is such a good organization and Lou Lamoriello is such a good GM. They always seem to be able to swing good deals at reasonable costs, and this one is a downright steal. Looks like we got scooped on this one. |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 2, 2004 19:59:25 GMT -5
Hmmmmm Flashback time.
Trades and Trade Rumours / Re: Gainey looking for help... on: 02/19/2004 at 13:59:28
Started by Doc_Holliday | Post by Skilly
Ok .... I was joking with the trades.
But I still think Smyth could be had for the right offer.
This offer would have to be Zednik, and a prospect (Balej?) and a second round pick.
If we can get Brisbois and Perreault to waive the no-trade clauses .... Florida would give us Kozlov and Huselius. (These 2 are Habs for life ..... or until Gainey buys them out .... Florida wants a face-off specialst (who better than Yannic) and a top 2 defenseman (Brisbois would be number 2 on that team). This is why we will have to suffer for at least 2 more years.
Also, we would become immediate contenders with an offer of Hainsey and Hossa for Gonchar.
We would be laughing for 2 years, in which time we would get 2 more draft picks and our farm is not totally sold. We lose Balej, Hainsey, Hossa .... still have Pleks, Kastisyn, Locke, Perehogin, Komisarek
This is all dreaming I know .... but could you imagine this line-up going into these playoffs (even as the #8 seed)
Smyth, Koivu, Ryder
Kozlov, Huselius, Ribeiro
Bulis, Sundstrom, Ward
Dackell, Langdon, Begin
Souray, Quintal
Markov, Gonchar
Rivet, Komisarek
This team would do damage.
TOOT TOOT
I was scoffed at the time for wanted Gainey to go after these guys. Even if we couldn't of gotten Perreault to waive the no-trade, Kozlov could have been had for Higgins (another Berglund type player + draft pick).
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Post by Forum Ghost on Mar 4, 2004 15:48:24 GMT -5
TOOT TOOT I was scoffed at the time for wanted Gainey to go after these guys. Even if we couldn't of gotten Perreault to waive the no-trade, Kozlov could have been had for Higgins (another Berglund type player + draft pick). Well Kozlov was traded, but he was traded for two prospects, not for your suggestion of a UFA-to-be or a $4M 5th defenceman. You're proposal was not agreed with because many posters, including myself, did not see a player like Kozlov going for guys like Perreault or Brisebois, and he didn't. As for your suggestion of trading Kozlov for Higgins and a draft pick; in the long-run, I don't think that the Habs would end up winning that deal. |
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Post by Cockroach on Mar 4, 2004 16:03:19 GMT -5
Even if we couldn't of gotten Perreault to waive the no-trade, Kozlov could have been had for Higgins (another Berglund type player + draft pick). Some people's blood pressure hasn't recovered from losing Balej,loosing Higgins would overload emergency services  |
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Post by PTH on Mar 4, 2004 23:37:40 GMT -5
Well Kozlov was traded, but he was traded for two prospects, not for your suggestion of a UFA-to-be or a $4M 5th defenceman. You're proposal was not agreed with because many posters, including myself, did not see a player like Kozlov going for guys like Perreault or Brisebois, and he didn't. Exactly. I know I for one didn't even bother to look at if the Panther players could be useful, since for what we were giving up in the proposed deal, we weren't going to get them, anyhow. |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 5, 2004 1:56:56 GMT -5
Some people's blood pressure hasn't recovered from losing Balej,loosing Higgins would overload emergency services Gag, cough, choke. |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 5, 2004 10:19:05 GMT -5
Some people's blood pressure hasn't recovered from losing Balej,loosing Higgins would overload emergency services I don't know what people see in Higgins. My credentials are not "NHL scout worthy" but I do feel I know what this team needs to win this year. I don't know what post it was but I wanted 1) a top six forward (enter Kovalev) 2) a gritty third liner (enter Dowd) 3) any defenseman (??) But some on here have said Higgins is top line worthy? If he is why don't we just sign the smurfs and be done with it. Boston has the 700lbs line. If Higgins plays on the first line we might as well get the Runt Line. If he plays, you can mark my words, he will be a third liner ..... and I have my doubts if he will be on the Habs third line. |
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