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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 10, 2023 8:05:59 GMT -5
I've been thinking Allen might be a good fit for the Oilers... His cap hit is 3.85M for this year and next.
We could take from the Oilers Goalie Skinner 2.6M for 2 more years after this and the James Neal buyout 2M this year and next and a 1st rounder
we could then put Skinner in Laval and add only .75M to the cap for this year and next, the year after it would be 2.6 for Skinner, unless we can move him, but the cap will have gone up, so it makes the 2.6M less of a hit, or we buyout his last year.
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Post by PTH on Nov 10, 2023 10:45:49 GMT -5
I could see him on the Oilers, though I don't expect a goalie in the return.
Skinner is a useful player, I suspect EDM would want a Skinner-Allen tandem.
It quickly becomes more of a cap issue than anything else, though. How could Edmonton add 3.8M in cap, and would the return be of interest?
I'd expect Foegele and a 3d or some such return. Or McLeod as a center to develop, if we expect to move Dvorak/Evans
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Post by Tankdriver on Nov 10, 2023 11:14:30 GMT -5
If I am Edmonton, I would be all in on Swayman over Allen. I could see a RNH for Swanyman deal.
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Post by Andrew on Nov 10, 2023 12:51:50 GMT -5
I don't see it happening. Allen's strong start doesn't negate the fact that he's 33 and coming off an .891 SV% season. There's no assurance that he moves the needle in a positive direction for the Oilers.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 10, 2023 14:22:25 GMT -5
Allen isn't good enough to solve the Oiler's problem. I don't think they're a good match and I'm not sure who is. The better bet,IMO, is to look for a team that needs a good backup, and then you'd have to retain salary. Or trade Montembeault or Primeau. My preference would be Monty and let Primeau run a while to see if he holds up. He had all the right progressions for a few years and played really well in the AHL playoffs.
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Post by Scotty D on Nov 10, 2023 17:27:11 GMT -5
Allen isn't good enough to solve the Oiler's problem. I don't think they're a good match and I'm not sure who is. The better bet,IMO, is to look for a team that needs a good backup, and then you'd have to retain salary. Or trade Montembeault or Primeau. My preference would be Monty and let Primeau run a while to see if he holds up. He had all the right progressions for a few years and played really well in the AHL playoffs. we would hope Cayden takes the ball and runs with it given his situation. it's not like he needs to supplant a Price, Roy, Dryden etc. at this point he's young enough still and with the right drive and mentality should be extremely hungry to prove himself. Opportunity is knocking hopefully he and those who need to let him try see it and let this pan out. whatever way it ends it only makes sense to do so. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 10, 2023 19:06:38 GMT -5
I am hopeful we have a Monty/Primeau duo until Fowler is ready... he will be a difference maker...
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Post by IamCanadiens on Nov 11, 2023 11:36:24 GMT -5
I'd trade Allen anywhere while he has any value. I really don't think he'll fetch much. The only value comes from his moderate salary and the potential for the Habs to retain half of it. Why retain half his salary for a poor return a la Petry to Detroit? I'm not sure even the Edmonton dumpster fire could result in a good return. As for the Oilers, the only thing that is going to improve things is McDavid playing like McDavid. He's just not playing to his normal superfreak level and the team around him hasn't been able to step up.
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Post by folatre on Nov 11, 2023 19:14:31 GMT -5
Edmonton need to make a move but they are just in such a tight spot. Any trade basically has to be dollar in dollar out, so I cannot really see what Holland can do unless he pays someone an asset bonanza to take Jack Campbell.
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Post by Polarice on Nov 15, 2023 7:38:13 GMT -5
Edmonton need to make a move but they are just in such a tight spot. Any trade basically has to be dollar in dollar out, so I cannot really see what Holland can do unless he pays someone an asset bonanza to take Jack Campbell. The twitter rumour mill is saying the Habs and Oilers are looking to swap goaltenders, Allen for Campbell. However, the Habs are interested in Lavoie if they were going to trade Allen. Don't know a lot about Lavoie, just that they have him projected to be a 2nd line guy. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 15, 2023 8:28:47 GMT -5
Holland is in win now mode, the pressure must be ramping up and wasting their stars best years
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Post by seventeen on Nov 15, 2023 14:14:38 GMT -5
Edmonton need to make a move but they are just in such a tight spot. Any trade basically has to be dollar in dollar out, so I cannot really see what Holland can do unless he pays someone an asset bonanza to take Jack Campbell. The twitter rumour mill is saying the Habs and Oilers are looking to swap goaltenders, Allen for Campbell. However, the Habs are interested in Lavoie if they were going to trade Allen. Don't know a lot about Lavoie, just that they have him projected to be a 2nd line guy. I project him to be a Rocket and I don't mean the Maurice Richard type. The guys I'd be targeting are Dylan Holloway first and their first rounder second. Holloway may end up a top 6 guy or a third line guy. There's some thought to Bourgoult, but I see him as a 4th liner. You don't trade CAP space for an Armia or a Bourgoult. It's asking a lot, though and we may have to add someone else, but not Roy. Norlinder quality. |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 15, 2023 14:18:33 GMT -5
Edmonton need to make a move but they are just in such a tight spot. Any trade basically has to be dollar in dollar out, so I cannot really see what Holland can do unless he pays someone an asset bonanza to take Jack Campbell. The twitter rumour mill is saying the Habs and Oilers are looking to swap goaltenders, Allen for Campbell. However, the Habs are interested in Lavoie if they were going to trade Allen. Don't know a lot about Lavoie, just that they have him projected to be a 2nd line guy. I project him to be a Rocket and I don't mean the Maurice Richard type. The guys I'd be targeting are Dylan Holloway first and their first rounder second. Holloway may end up a top 6 guy or a third line guy. There's some thought to Bourgoult, but I see him as a 4th liner. You don't trade CAP space for an Armia or a Bourgoult. It's asking a lot, though and we may have to add someone else, but not Roy. Norlinder quality. Having said that about Lavoie, he has been improving year by year and he was over a ppg in the AHL in a very small sample this year. Also on the negative side, he's 23 already. I'm not sure about how quickly he processes the game, though in fairness I haven't seen much of him after his juniour years. |
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Post by folatre on Nov 15, 2023 22:29:46 GMT -5
Allen is not Hellebuyck or anything like that. But Allen is more consistent than Campbell and, moreover, Allen has one more season at $3.875 while whoever takes Campbell has to chew on three additional years at five sheets per. Hockey is debatable, however in my estimation Lavoie is not an adequate 'make weight' in this transaction. As seventeen observed, the kid is already 23 years old and by that age forwards who are going to be top six guys have already shown more than him at the professional level. For me it would require Campbell plus the Oilers first round pick to start to heat up any negotiation.
I know the cap ceiling will be rising in the summer, but Campbell's contract is nevertheless going to be judged to be a brutal anchor. And no one is going to toss Holland a life preserver when everyone sees him flailing in choppy water. If Edmonton wants to shed the Campbell contract, then they will have to pay a premium. If Holland does not want to play ball, then he will have to ride with the tandem (Skinner and Campell) that he believed in when the season started.
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Post by Polarice on Nov 16, 2023 7:43:57 GMT -5
The twitter rumour mill is saying the Habs and Oilers are looking to swap goaltenders, Allen for Campbell. However, the Habs are interested in Lavoie if they were going to trade Allen. Don't know a lot about Lavoie, just that they have him projected to be a 2nd line guy. I project him to be a Rocket and I don't mean the Maurice Richard type. The guys I'd be targeting are Dylan Holloway first and their first rounder second. Holloway may end up a top 6 guy or a third line guy. There's some thought to Bourgoult, but I see him as a 4th liner. You don't trade CAP space for an Armia or a Bourgoult. It's asking a lot, though and we may have to add someone else, but not Roy. Norlinder quality. Having said that about Lavoie, he has been improving year by year and he was over a ppg in the AHL in a very small sample this year. Also on the negative side, he's 23 already. I'm not sure about how quickly he processes the game, though in fairness I haven't seen much of him after his juniour years. Had time to do a little research on the Oils prospect pool and they have Lavoie ranked as their 4th best prospect. Their top two prospects are #2. Matvei Petrov and #1. Xavier Bourgault. They say Petrov is an elite scorer and Bourgault is a two way scoring forward....much like Suzuki. If I was Hughes I'd be looking at Petrov....seems he's a year or two away, but he put up 90 points in the OHL last year this is his first year in the AHL. Bourgault could play this year if needed but we have a few players like him already. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 24, 2023 11:24:47 GMT -5
Looks like there is a lot of talk around Monty being on the move... if so the Oil will have to pay
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Post by Andrew on Nov 24, 2023 13:29:22 GMT -5
Looks like there is a lot of talk around Monty being on the move... if so the Oil will have to pay I'd prefer if the Habs extended him. He's established a floor as a capable NHL goalie that would fit well in a tandem role on most teams. There may still be upside given the improvement he's shown since the Habs picked him up. Either way he's 1/2 of the solution in net for the medium-term IMO. |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 24, 2023 15:04:31 GMT -5
Looks like there is a lot of talk around Monty being on the move... if so the Oil will have to pay I'd prefer if the Habs extended him. He's established a floor as a capable NHL goalie that would fit well in a tandem role on most teams. There may still be upside given the improvement he's shown since the Habs picked him up. Either way he's 1/2 of the solution in net for the medium-term IMO. That is indeed the question. There are good arguments both ways and in Hughes' shoes I'd be weighing what the value of the offers are in relation to the value Monty can bring over the next few years (which in itself is a question mark). If there is a team that is desperate and needs to improve their goaltending (and Edmonton very much falls into that category) just how much are they willing to pay for a guy who might be a solid #1 (average starter, let's say) for 6 or 7 years or just a career back up? If the belief falls through door #1, and the offer is a value sufficient to sway Hughes, then a trade is possible. We have 5 or 6 guys in the pipeline who might be as good or better than Monty, so it's not a large risk for Hughes. Failing even that, one can trade for a goalie at a time when there is a better supply, lowering prices. Monty hasn't really 'proven' himself as being consistent enough, but he's shown promise. If that promise blooms, whatever Edmonton pays for him will be a deal. The other factor that I personally aren't keen with regarding Edmonton, is that whatever they have to offer really doesn't interest me greatly. Holloway, Broberg, first rounder, yeah ok, but will they move the needle for the Habs given what they already have? |
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Post by folatre on Nov 24, 2023 21:46:38 GMT -5
I do not think Holloway and Broberg are world-beaters at this stage of their development, but the reality is Montembeault is not going to fetch either one, let alone a first round pick. The only way things 'open up' and get crazy on the trade front is if Hughes accepts doing something borderline crazy, which means taking Campbell.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 24, 2023 22:39:43 GMT -5
What about Petrov, we need more scoring
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Post by drkcloud on Nov 25, 2023 1:32:14 GMT -5
Can't imagine Monty is worth more than a 3rd, not worth a solid prospect.
And I don't think anyone views Allen as an improvement to their situation
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Post by seventeen on Nov 25, 2023 13:42:22 GMT -5
I do not think Holloway and Broberg are world-beaters at this stage of their development, but the reality is Montembeault is not going to fetch either one, let alone a first round pick. The only way things 'open up' and get crazy on the trade front is if Hughes accepts doing something borderline crazy, which means taking Campbell. Folatre, I was assuming Campbell was coming this way as well, to make the CAP numbers work. Naturally that would cost Edmonton, though I agree, neither of those rwo guys would move the needle enough. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 25, 2023 14:07:59 GMT -5
I do not think Holloway and Broberg are world-beaters at this stage of their development, but the reality is Montembeault is not going to fetch either one, let alone a first round pick. The only way things 'open up' and get crazy on the trade front is if Hughes accepts doing something borderline crazy, which means taking Campbell. Folatre, I was assuming Campbell was coming this way as well, to make the CAP numbers work. Naturally that would cost Edmonton, though I agree, neither of those rwo guys would move the needle enough. We have 3.5M in cap space... Campbell costs 5M and Allen is 3.85, so the actual cost this year for the trade is 1.15M. Campbell has 3 years after this and the buyout is 1.5M for 6 years... but if they put him in laval for the time CP is on ltir, 2 years, then buy Campbell out for 1 year only... this means they could trade Allen to the Oil for Campbell plus a 1st and/or a prospect... that might work... also we have 1.75M for edmunson and 833K for Alzner coming off at the end of this year along with Pearson's 3.25M and Monahans 2M, this frees up 8M in cap at the end of the year |
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Post by PTH on Nov 25, 2023 14:48:02 GMT -5
The underlying question is when do we get Montembeault signed ? I sometimes wonder if keeping Primeau around isn't just a negotiating tactic so Monty doesn't think the team doesn't have much of a choice, and the Edmonton rumors are just to remind him that whatever offer the Habs have might be a better option than getting traded.
As a goalie with no contract next season, getting traded to Edmonton where I'd be getting cratered every game, meaning little to no leverage on the next contract, is pretty much a worst-case scenario.
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Post by PTH on Nov 25, 2023 14:55:22 GMT -5
As an aside, I wonder if Montreal might not just be a better fit for helping Edmonton make cap room for another move, rather than give them the goalie they need.
Kovacevic for Ceci would give them 2M in cap room, for example. Of course, I'd want a sweetener to make that deal.
But Lebrun last night had a good point that Edmonton has to do *something*, otherwise Draisatl might not be as interested in re-signing as Edmonton would be hoping for.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 13, 2023 0:14:01 GMT -5
So it seems to be leaning very heavily toward keeping Monty and Primeau. So let’s try a brain teaser. The club I’d call is Ottawa. They had another .857 night from Korpisalo. Their season is still salvageable but they better do something. Allen is a good fit. He’d give them at least average goaltending and it would benefit us if Ottawa finishes ahead of us.
So if Ottawa’s GM (whoever that is) would like Allen, who would we realistically ask for in return? They’ve got Stutzle, Norris and Pinto at 1,2 & 3 centres. I’d ask for Ridley Greig. We might have to add to that (Norlinder or that type of prospect) but that’s how I’d start. Who’s next?
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Post by jkr on Dec 13, 2023 8:27:29 GMT -5
I believe that Staios is the interim GM in Ottawa.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 13, 2023 14:16:51 GMT -5
I believe that Staios is the interim GM in Ottawa. Thanks. Does Cranky know him? Maybe put in a good word with a fellow countryman? |
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Post by folatre on Dec 13, 2023 18:37:09 GMT -5
For me Korpisalo is not presently moveable with the nice UFA deal that he scored. And the Sens are actually a cap team now, so it is not like they can send Korpisalo to Belleville and bring in someone like Allen.
If management believes that Primeau is on the verge of being a guy who can effectively give the Habs 30 games a season then I hope Hughes can find a taker for Allen. Skinner has calmed down in Edmonton. Ottawa blew four years worth of lunch money on Korpisalo. The Devils are not getting great play in net during their hot streak, but now that they are climbing in the standings I am not sure Fitzgerald is operating with urgency.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 15, 2023 0:12:11 GMT -5
Hughes’ patient may work out. Varlamov’s save % tonight was .829. Stuart Skinner’s was .773. Five goals on 22 shots. The Great Sieve. Korpisalo with an .867 mark in a 4-2 loss. We should have GM’s scrambling over each other for Jake Allen. Edmonton badly needs him. Edmonton’s been out scoring other teams. Skinner’s had 1 good game in the last 6 or so.
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