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Post by Willie Dog on May 7, 2024 18:57:46 GMT -5
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Post by folatre on May 9, 2024 17:13:32 GMT -5
I saw on NHL.com a mock draft by their amateur scouting experts (Kimelman and Morreale). They both have Levshunov going to Chicago and surprisingly they both have Silayev at #3.
They both obviously hold Demidov and Lindstrom in high regard because both of those kids round out each scouts' respective top five.
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Post by Willie Dog on May 9, 2024 20:51:29 GMT -5
If Columbus takes Lindstrom, Habs will take Demidov, if cbj takes Demidov then I can see the habs taking catton or Iginla
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Post by folatre on May 9, 2024 21:36:57 GMT -5
Reports are that Lindstrom is not restricted now in any way with conditioning and weight lifting, so I think it would all come down to doctors looking at his medical records. If Lindstrom is determined to not be raising any medical red flags, then I think in such a scenario the Habs would take him or else the fast rising Iginla.
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Post by Willie Dog on May 9, 2024 22:04:34 GMT -5
Reports are that Lindstrom is not restricted now in any way with conditioning and weight lifting, so I think it would all come down to doctors looking at his medical records. If Lindstrom is determined to not be raising any medical red flags, then I think in such a scenario the Habs would take him or else the fast rising Iginla. If he has a disc injury, then that is a red flag... a bad back has prematurely ended a lot of careers... i would expect the Habs own doctors to be seriously looking at this kid before our last kick at a top 5 pick for a decade |
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Post by seventeen on May 10, 2024 0:48:26 GMT -5
I may be a lone voice in the wilderness, but if Demidov is not available, I'm picking Iginla or Catton and leaning toward Catton because of the uncertainty over Dach. He should be ok, but you never know, so having that top centre prospect is ideal. I saw one of those data cards that grade a player on various parts of the game and Lindstrom was grading at 100 overall. When you look at the numbers more carefully, what stood out were his shot and primary assists, as well as almost any aspect you could name correlated with size. Things like Board battles, advantages created, etc. As we know, size advantages in juniour don't always translate to the NHL. What was relatively weak was his slot pass success ratio and OZ retrievals. Slot passes IMO, are a critical aspect of a player's skill level. Can he put something through the Royal Road? OZ retrievals have become another important part of the game. We see how Slaf has become very good at that part of the game, once called forechecking.
I get this very strong feeling that Lindstrom is going to max out as a winger. That's not necessarily bad, but he doesn't seem to be a play driver to me, more of a finisher and you have to value him accordingly. That's why I prefer Catton, who is an excellent passer with superior vision. That's my bias, though. I'd prefer a guy like Slaf, who is both skilled, creative and huge. One projection I'd like to see is if Catton might grow a bit more. What are his genes like?
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Post by Cranky on May 10, 2024 9:48:47 GMT -5
I always prefer WalMart stretch genes.
I'm trying to tract down the rumour that Lindstrom has a herniated disk. That ends the discusdion instantly.
As for drafting, if a top RHD is on the board at 5th, take him. Always BPA.
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Post by Cranky on May 10, 2024 9:57:08 GMT -5
Reports are that Lindstrom is not restricted now in any way with conditioning and weight lifting, so I think it would all come down to doctors looking at his medical records. If Lindstrom is determined to not be raising any medical red flags, then I think in such a scenario the Habs would take him or else the fast rising Iginla. If he has a disc injury, then that is a red flag... a bad back has prematurely ended a lot of careers... i would expect the Habs own doctors to be seriously looking at this kid before our last kick at a top 5 pick for a decade Not the first or second or 99th time a hockey player hides an injury. I want the medical records of that injury. If they claim medical confidentiality i respond with...eff off. The second i saw that it would be Lindstrom "dream" to play for thr Habs, massive PLDonkey flags went up. That is straight up agent PR. Screwing up this draft has serious consequences on the rebuild. It sjould provide a core player |
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Post by Tankdriver on May 10, 2024 10:30:00 GMT -5
If he has a disc injury, then that is a red flag... a bad back has prematurely ended a lot of careers... i would expect the Habs own doctors to be seriously looking at this kid before our last kick at a top 5 pick for a decade Not the first or second or 99th time a hockey player hides an injury. I want the medical records of that injury. If they claim medical confidentiality i respond with...eff off. The second i saw that it would be Lindstrom "dream" to play for thr Habs, massive PLDonkey flags went up. That is straight up agent PR. Screwing up this draft has serious consequences on the rebuild. It sjould provide a core player It needs to be hit. This can't be a K.K. repeat. For a successful decade, you need three marquee players that you have drafted. Usually those are high picks spinkled in with a little luck with some players selected in the second round. Then you add through good trades and hopefully free agency Penguins: Crosby Fleury Malkin Letang Chicago: Toews Kane Keith Seabrook Kings: Kopitar Doughty Brown Quick Colorado: MacKinnon Makar Raintenan Landeskog Boston: Marchand Bergeron Pasternak Toronto: (great regular season success) Matthews Marner Nylander Reilly Tampa: Stamkos Point (3rd Round) Hedman Kucherov Sergachev (by way of Drouin) Florida: Barkov Eckblad Tkachuk (by way of Huberdeau) |
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Post by Cranky on May 10, 2024 11:20:12 GMT -5
Not the first or second or 99th time a hockey player hides an injury. I want the medical records of that injury. If they claim medical confidentiality i respond with...eff off. The second i saw that it would be Lindstrom "dream" to play for thr Habs, massive PLDonkey flags went up. That is straight up agent PR. Screwing up this draft has serious consequences on the rebuild. It sjould provide a core player It needs to be hit. This can't be a K.K. repeat. For a successful decade, you need three marquee players that you have drafted. Usually those are high picks spinkled in with a little luck with some players selected in the second round. Then you add through good trades and hopefully free agency Penguins: Crosby Fleury Malkin Letang Chicago: Toews Kane Keith Seabrook Kings: Kopitar Doughty Brown Quick Colorado: MacKinnon Makar Raintenan Landeskog Boston: Marchand Bergeron Pasternak Toronto: (great regular season success) Matthews Marner Nylander Reilly Tampa: Stamkos Point (3rd Round) Hedman Kucherov Sergachev (by way of Drouin) Florida: Barkov Eckblad Tkachuk (by way of Huberdeau) That is why i would draft a surefire RHD over a hopeful like Catton, never mind Lindstrom who may be done. At worse, we get a stud defenseman and then trade Guhle. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 10, 2024 12:55:23 GMT -5
It needs to be hit. This can't be a K.K. repeat. For a successful decade, you need three marquee players that you have drafted. Usually those are high picks spinkled in with a little luck with some players selected in the second round. Then you add through good trades and hopefully free agency Penguins: Crosby Fleury Malkin Letang Chicago: Toews Kane Keith Seabrook Kings: Kopitar Doughty Brown Quick Colorado: MacKinnon Makar Raintenan Landeskog Boston: Marchand Bergeron Pasternak Toronto: (great regular season success) Matthews Marner Nylander Reilly Tampa: Stamkos Point (3rd Round) Hedman Kucherov Sergachev (by way of Drouin) Florida: Barkov Eckblad Tkachuk (by way of Huberdeau) That is why i would draft a surefire RHD over a hopeful like Catton, never mind Lindstrom who may be done. At worse, we get a stud defenseman and then trade Guhle. Would our braintrust take Lafleur if he was available or would his smoking and drinking scare them off. Would he pass the character interview? We have more very good players than fit on a bench but no great ones to fill a penalty box. I’d rather teach Eiserman to pass and check than teach big fast strong Anderson to score. Instead of looking for immediate help we need to look four years down the road for a superstar candidate. Caufield and Eiserman on the power play with Hutson and Suzuki on the points. Hell, I could play center and score in bunches. |
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Post by Tankdriver on May 10, 2024 14:46:57 GMT -5
This is definitely going to be the hardest pick in the rebuild. The previous 2 drafts is was basically a pick between two players in my head anyways (Wright/Slaf), (Reinbacher/Michkov). This year I am all over the place. What I would love to see is somehow trading that second first rounder to get into the 10-15 range.
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Post by seventeen on May 10, 2024 15:12:42 GMT -5
Pretty sure Hughes is working on that right now. The hard part is finding the right trading partner who needs a young defenseman. Buffalo at 11 would be ideal. I don’t know if they’d do this, but Winnipeg’s pick, and Harris + Barron for #11. I would even amend that to the pick + Mailloux if necessary.
The other possibilities are San Jose at 14 and Detroit at 15. The cost would be lower, I’d think. Both could use another developed/developing young defenseman.
The guys I wouldn’t include are Guhle, Xhekaj, Reinbacher, Struble, Hutson. Engstrom reluctantly.
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Post by Willie Dog on May 10, 2024 15:24:29 GMT -5
This is definitely going to be the hardest pick in the rebuild. The previous 2 drafts is was basically a pick between two players in my head anyways (Wright/Slaf), (Reinbacher/Michkov). This year I am all over the place. What I would love to see is somehow trading that second first rounder to get into the 10-15 range. It's what I have wanted so we could score a guy who has dropped like Eiserman |
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Post by Tankdriver on May 10, 2024 15:42:19 GMT -5
It also sucks that we don't have our 2nd rounder this year (thanks Marc) from the Dvorak trade. That Avs seconder rounder is going to be so low.
2025 we do have some draft capital though.
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Post by Cranky on May 10, 2024 16:00:03 GMT -5
This is definitely going to be the hardest pick in the rebuild. The previous 2 drafts is was basically a pick between two players in my head anyways (Wright/Slaf), (Reinbacher/Michkov). This year I am all over the place. What I would love to see is somehow trading that second first rounder to get into the 10-15 range. I'm concerned we dont do a KK and pick on need. We're not contending next year so if a top drfenseman fall to 5th...PICK HIM. Then develop him while putting one of our other drfenseman on the block. Guhle can fetch Mercer. Catton wont be worth much as a Dvorak V2. |
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Post by seventeen on May 10, 2024 16:16:44 GMT -5
I'm concerned we dont do a KK and pick on need. We're not contending next year so if a top drfenseman fall to 5th...PICK HIM. Then develop him while putting one of our other drfenseman on the block. Guhle can fetch Mercer. Catton wont be worth much as a Dvorak V2. KK was a late riser and we needed a centre. There was one discussion I listened to where examples were brought up of late risers, some of which ended up KK like and others who were very successful. There Wasn't any pattern to it, and KK wasn't as much of a stretch because of that. The other factor that mitigates against making a mistake is that we now have a stats department that adds a lot of depth to the scouting process. Bergevin didn't believe in that. Firing the stats guy who didn't agree with him about the Weber deal was a definite signal. If you're making that trade for another reason (like Bergevin hated PK getting more attention than him), there's no need to fire the stats guy. Anyway, without revisiting a whole bunch of stuff, Chris Boucher is an excellent stats guy and his input makes a difference. And then there's attitude and commitment. As we're finding out with Slaf, those traits are off the chart for him. What are Lindstrom's Catton's, Iginla's like? All that will come into play and we will be privy to none of it (at least not until they release another video, if they make one). I'm very confident in the management team and I believe they'll make the best decision with the information they have at this time. |
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Post by folatre on May 10, 2024 19:16:39 GMT -5
Today Espn+ released their latest mock draft. The top 15 is: Celebrini, Levshunov, Demidov, Lindstrom, Iginla, Parekh, Dickinson, Buium, Silayev, Eiserman, Catton, Yakemchuk, Helenius, Jiricek, and Sennecke.
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Post by Tankdriver on May 10, 2024 22:12:09 GMT -5
Those are the names I have been seeing aswell. Just different variations. Iggy is definitely rising.
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Post by folatre on May 11, 2024 22:03:31 GMT -5
There are a bunch of very good defense prospects who will deservedly go in the first half of the first round. Hockey is debatable and projecting 5-7 years into the future is far from easy, but for me the only kids I see as likely serious top pair difference makers are Levshunov and Buium. Is that giant Russian really a potential Chara or Pronger? Yeesh, just because he is complicated for forwards to get around and is mobile for his size does not necessarily mean he is going to have to the array of tools that guys like Chara developed.
Levshunov is not dropping to Montreal. According to a lot of scouts, Buium may be available at #5. So I get it that taking Iginla over Buium seems like eschewing the principle of taking the BPA. But Iginla is probably the youngest top prospect in this class and he is coming on strong.
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Post by seventeen on May 11, 2024 23:29:40 GMT -5
Is that giant Russian really a potential Chara or Pronger? Yeesh, just because he is complicated for forwards to get around and is mobile for his size does not necessarily mean he is going to have to the array of tools that guys like Chara developed. I just want to make one point about Chara. From watching him a whole bunch, I was impressed with one specific skill that he had...brute strength. He wasn't a better than average skater, nor much of a passer. He had little offense to him and most of what he got had to be either secondary assists or rebound goals off his very heavy shot. Makar would run rings around him. But if he could get a touch on you, you were done. That Hulk like strength just took over and you and the puck were separated. Between that strength and his reach, it was ridiculous to fight him. I don't think anyone could have beaten him in a fight. He was remarkably one dimensional though. I'm not sure I'd pick him ahead of a slew of others, because he lacked things I like in a Dman. All superstars are stronger than you'd think. Lafleur looked like a spindle but he fought his way through a lot of guys and that shot was lethal. Chara took that strength aspect to a whole other level. I don't think I've seen a stronger player in the NHL, not even Bobby Hull who lifted round bales on his farm. (I think). Anyway, my point is that Chara did not have an array of tools. He had one huge one that overcame those he was lacking in. It led to Norris Trophies, but there are a lot of Norris Winners (and losers) I'd pick on my team ahead of Chara. Unless I wanted a nuclear deterrent, of course. |
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Post by folatre on May 12, 2024 8:12:58 GMT -5
For sure, I would agree that Chara's main calling card was brute strength and, of course, the fear factor. But somehow the guy had three 50+ points seasons, plus an additional six 40+, so one way or another he managed to put some pieces of his game together even if he did not look particularly graceful going about his business.
Who knows, maybe Silayev will be great. Or maybe he will be something like Zadorov, who is a massive man with good skating and meanness, however he has just never managed to put it all together.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 15, 2024 21:34:49 GMT -5
Is that giant Russian really a potential Chara or Pronger? Yeesh, just because he is complicated for forwards to get around and is mobile for his size does not necessarily mean he is going to have to the array of tools that guys like Chara developed. I just want to make one point about Chara. From watching him a whole bunch, I was impressed with one specific skill that he had...brute strength. He wasn't a better than average skater, nor much of a passer. He had little offense to him and most of what he got had to be either secondary assists or rebound goals off his very heavy shot. Makar would run rings around him. But if he could get a touch on you, you were done. That Hulk like strength just took over and you and the puck were separated. Between that strength and his reach, it was ridiculous to fight him. I don't think anyone could have beaten him in a fight. He was remarkably one dimensional though. I'm not sure I'd pick him ahead of a slew of others, because he lacked things I like in a Dman. All superstars are stronger than you'd think. Lafleur looked like a spindle but he fought his way through a lot of guys and that shot was lethal. Chara took that strength aspect to a whole other level. I don't think I've seen a stronger player in the NHL, not even Bobby Hull who lifted round bales on his farm. (I think). Anyway, my point is that Chara did not have an array of tools. He had one huge one that overcame those he was lacking in. It led to Norris Trophies, but there are a lot of Norris Winners (and losers) I'd pick on my team ahead of Chara. Unless I wanted a nuclear deterrent, of course. There are ways to build a team. Fourth line players are available via waivers. Third line via cap trade. Second line via trade. First line via draft. Pick hi risk hi reward via draft. |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 16, 2024 17:04:52 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on May 16, 2024 19:11:29 GMT -5
It really is all over the place. Not much consistency. The same names are there, but in many different orders. As a side note, the author, Rachel Doerrie, is the lady who mistakenly called Slaf a bust at exactly the wrong time. She's the one challenged with $5 a point for every point Slaf scored after her remark. To her credit she took it on, but I don't know if she paid the fine.
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Post by folatre on May 16, 2024 21:26:11 GMT -5
She is basically prefacing everything in a long-winded way by stating that these are rankings (based on the models she subscribes to) rather than a mock draft. Montreal is already bullish on a very offensively gifted (Hutson) who has legitimate question marks about whether he can defensively shoulder the burden of top-four all situations 5v5 minutes. For me it is a non-starter to speculate about the Habs picking Parekh unless they already have a nice trade lined up for one of the two.
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Post by seventeen on May 17, 2024 0:59:24 GMT -5
I don't know what to make of her. She got fired from a previous job (Canucks?) and complained about discrimination, which amounted to nothing and then makes a ridiculous comment about Slaf being a bust because he isn't scoring a ppg despite being a first OA pick (Few 1st OA picks end up scoring a ppg, certainly not in their second season) and now puts out a prospect list disguised as a mock draft? Not the best path to make your way in life.
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Post by Polarice on May 17, 2024 5:35:27 GMT -5
Rumours flying around that the Habs are looking to trade their second 1st rounder and one of next years first round picks in order to move up to 6th or 7th. Might be a solid plan get a good forward and a dman.
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Post by Cranky on May 17, 2024 11:56:49 GMT -5
I'm concerned about the amount of cover Hughes will get with a long shot pick. If Levshunov and Catton is available at 5, chances are he will pick Catton even if we Lev is projected as a top 2 RHD.
In 3 years who cares about Catton is our 2C if Lev is Hedman v2. Just the thought of trading a 22 year old Hedman would set the league on fire. If we measure them in terms of draft choices return, count at least 4 top 10 picks. Versus maybe 1 for a 2C.
Hughes must NOT pick based on need, but I'm afraid this draft can bring out his inner BargainBin. We have KK to remind us what that fail looks like.
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Post by Cranky on May 17, 2024 12:00:13 GMT -5
Rumours flying around that the Habs are looking to trade their second 1st rounder and one of next years first round picks in order to move up to 6th or 7th. Might be a solid plan get a good forward and a dman. Trade them for a 6-7 pick or trade them for a young top 6, i don't care. Those picks will give us more volume that may not amount to much more then middle 6 or more 5-6 defenseman. |
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