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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 9, 2024 12:45:29 GMT -5
Guess who’s coming to dinner? |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 9, 2024 14:04:06 GMT -5
They also took London defender Sam Dickinson to dinner too, just to add some further intrigue into what their draft plans could be.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 9, 2024 23:54:03 GMT -5
They also took London defender Sam Dickinson to dinner too, just to add some further intrigue into what their draft plans could be. Gotta keep everyone else guessing. It'll be a shock when they trade the 5th and Josh Anderson to Calgary for their #9 and 28th and remove all protections from the Monahan pick in 2025. Then, at 9 they'll pick Berkly Catton who was next on their list at 5, but not on anyone else's till later. We'll get the guy we wanted to start with, add another late first rounder, get ride of Anderson's contract and have Calgary's unprotected 2025 pick. then we can package the 26th and 28th picks to move up and pick Brandsen-Nygard or Sennecke if he's still around. Such a deal! |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 10, 2024 7:42:10 GMT -5
They also took London defender Sam Dickinson to dinner too, just to add some further intrigue into what their draft plans could be. Gotta keep everyone else guessing. It'll be a shock when they trade the 5th and Josh Anderson to Calgary for their #9 and 28th and remove all protections from the Monahan pick in 2025. Then, at 9 they'll pick Berkly Catton who was next on their list at 5, but not on anyone else's till later. We'll get the guy we wanted to start with, add another late first rounder, get ride of Anderson's contract and have Calgary's unprotected 2025 pick. then we can package the 26th and 28th picks to move up and pick Brandsen-Nygard or Sennecke if he's still around. Such a deal! That would be some cool maneuvering, especially clearing the conditions on the Calgary pick |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 10, 2024 10:55:24 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Jun 10, 2024 11:35:27 GMT -5
I should be printing these out and then comparing actual to predicted results after the draft. It's interesting how GM's seem to rate defensemen highly and pundits don't.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 10, 2024 18:52:18 GMT -5
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Post by IamCanadiens on Jun 10, 2024 20:33:59 GMT -5
Dinner intrigues me. I'm pretty confident that the meal for a draft pick is not even remotely similar to the meal/2nd interview that occurs in the 'work world' between a prospective employee and an employer. The work world scenario is a face to face meeting to ensure you're not an axe murderer and can work with the team. Conversely, I think the prospect dinners are a last chance to prove me wrong, surprise me or get more clarity. If you've already made up your mind after the initial interview that you like the character of a prospect, then why bother inviting them for supper? You'd only provide a chance to ignore your initial assessment or confirm your pre-existing bias. Pretty limited value whereas taking someone for supper that you have more questions about, especially what's happening between their ears is where the value is at. Unless of course you're trying to separate equally qualified candidates. Ugh. Regardless of whatever their reasoning, I like the efforts this group goes through to figure these things out. Hoping for the best.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 10, 2024 22:04:41 GMT -5
Dinner intrigues me. I'm pretty confident that the meal for a draft pick is not even remotely similar to the meal/2nd interview that occurs in the 'work world' between a prospective employee and an employer. The work world scenario is a face to face meeting to ensure you're not an axe murderer and can work with the team. Conversely, I think the prospect dinners are a last chance to prove me wrong, surprise me or get more clarity. If you've already made up your mind after the initial interview that you like the character of a prospect, then why bother inviting them for supper? You'd only provide a chance to ignore your initial assessment or confirm your pre-existing bias. Pretty limited value whereas taking someone for supper that you have more questions about, especially what's happening between their ears is where the value is at. Unless of course you're trying to separate equally qualified candidates. Ugh. Regardless of whatever their reasoning, I like the efforts this group goes through to figure these things out. Hoping for the best. Basu and Godin today suggested the dinners are for guys you may not have investigated thoroughly, but in case of a trade or them falling further than expected, they come into the team's wheelhouse. Insurance, in a way. Makes sense. A guy like Catton, for example, who the Habs may like, but not as much as other guys. Suddenly, all those other guys are gone and the next people on their list are rated in the next tier. You might want Catton, but you'd wish you knew more about him. ps. they did not take Catton out for dinner as far as I know. |
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Post by PTH on Jun 10, 2024 22:31:00 GMT -5
Dinner intrigues me. I'm pretty confident that the meal for a draft pick is not even remotely similar to the meal/2nd interview that occurs in the 'work world' between a prospective employee and an employer. The work world scenario is a face to face meeting to ensure you're not an axe murderer and can work with the team. Conversely, I think the prospect dinners are a last chance to prove me wrong, surprise me or get more clarity. If you've already made up your mind after the initial interview that you like the character of a prospect, then why bother inviting them for supper? You'd only provide a chance to ignore your initial assessment or confirm your pre-existing bias. Pretty limited value whereas taking someone for supper that you have more questions about, especially what's happening between their ears is where the value is at. Unless of course you're trying to separate equally qualified candidates. Ugh. Regardless of whatever their reasoning, I like the efforts this group goes through to figure these things out. Hoping for the best. Basu and Godin today suggested the dinners are for guys you may not have investigated thoroughly, but in case of a trade or them falling further than expected, they come into the team's wheelhouse. Insurance, in a way. Makes sense. A guy like Catton, for example, who the Habs may like, but not as much as other guys. Suddenly, all those other guys are gone and the next people on their list are rated in the next tier. You might want Catton, but you'd wish you knew more about him. ps. they did not take Catton out for dinner as far as I know. I'm thinking dinner is at the prospect's discretion, whereas the cimbine's activities are designed to give all teams equal access. This also means they can better establish their list to have options to trade up or down on draft day. |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 10, 2024 23:01:04 GMT -5
I hardly think that interviewing teenagers is much more then a formality at best and a shot in the dark. Unless the kid is wearing a swastika on his neck and his middle name is Adolf, it isn't that critical. Particularly a kid playing for some backwater team and sheltered most of his life.
Even worse is trying to conduct a psychological analysis over chicken legs.
I interviewed multihundreds of ADULTS and got a lot of what they thought I wanted to hear, but rarely anything that told me how well they work with others or how efficient they will be on their jobs.
Regardless, it's a well known secret that BargainBin took them to a swanky steak house and if they grabbed the extra rare steak with both hands, they went up to the head of the list.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 10, 2024 23:37:24 GMT -5
You pretty well nailed it. I wonder if under the new regime, a Vegan selection outdoes a steak?
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 11, 2024 5:50:28 GMT -5
You pretty well nailed it. I wonder if under the new regime, a Vegan selection outdoes a steak? Wasn't Pierre " I don't know your guy but my guy is better" Gauthier a vegan |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 11, 2024 11:10:29 GMT -5
Good info ...
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 11, 2024 11:33:50 GMT -5
Sounds so much like Donald Trump at his Miss America pageant. Miss Alabama is taller but New Jersey has a better body and California has a pretty face while Massachusetts answered the interview questions better. All this in a country more worried about the bachelorette choices than presidential candidates. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 11, 2024 12:12:05 GMT -5
You pretty well nailed it. I wonder if under the new regime, a Vegan selection outdoes a steak? Wasn't Pierre " I don't know your guy but my guy is better" Gauthier a vegan I think the attribution for that was Andre Savard, in the version I heard. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 11, 2024 12:53:40 GMT -5
Thanks Dis. Catton has always been my guy. I love the skating stride. When he comes at a defenseman, his stride gets really wide so he can cut either way and it's difficult to push him off the puck. As that executive said, he was excellent at the Gretzky/Hlinka, where everyone has their best players, was at least equal to Celebrini, and was captain. Here's another interesting fact. On both hockeydb and the Arizona Coyotes website, Logan Cooley is shown as 5' 10", 174 Lbs. Berkly Catton at the NHL combine was measured at 5' 10.75" and 175 lbs. Cooley was a hot commodity at the 2022 draft, but Berkly Catton is pooh poohed at the 2024 draft because he's too small. Cooley put up 20 goals and 44 points in his first NHL season in his D+2 year and people are still suggesting he could have gone first in 2022 (which was branded a weaker draft year). Yet Catton isn't good enough. The risk, IMO, is this. Catton could very well turn out to be as productive as Celebrini, but only a team with a huge risk appetite would take him at 5. The size factor has overwhelmed everyone in the last couple of years. But you can find smaller guys who are playoff guys. Caufield had no trouble in 2021. There's no one smaller than Conor Garland, yet he's a competitive little bugger in the playoffs. The compete level, IMO, is what makes playoff players. Who wouldn't want an Henri Richard on their team in the playoffs? That guy wouldn't quit and scored a bushel full of important playoff goals. The winning goal vs Chicago in 1971 is the obvious example, but in that series vs Boston the same year, down 5-1, who gets our 2nd goal to start the comeback? 5' 7" 170 bs. (If that). I'd really like to see Hughes move a young dman or two, along with the 26th pick to get into a range where Catton might still be available (10-13) so we could have our 5th pick and Catton. There is so much uncertainty this year. The mgmt team most be going nuts drawing up the various possible scenarios and what to do in each case. We could end up with Lindstrom (unlikely), Iginla, Sennecke, or Zeev Buium. Getting into that 10-15 range is going to be really important. We don't have the goalie that NJ needs, unless Montembeault is up for grabs, but there is the possibility of moving young Dmen to Buffalo for their pick. They say they're looking for scoring, but they really need more depth on D after their top 3 and they need guys who are ready now, not in 2 more years. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 11, 2024 13:26:10 GMT -5
Wasn't Pierre " I don't know your guy but my guy is better" Gauthier a vegan I think the attribution for that was Andre Savard, in the version I heard. Ahh I thought it was Gauthier... I think it was Gauthier who told Cammalleri he had to buy the jersey |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 11, 2024 18:26:26 GMT -5
I'm so torn on who to pick...
Sennecke...who may be the power forward with golden hands. Another Jason Spezza with more grit.
Lindstrome...but are we getting Anderson V2? Or Or Byfield 2?
Catton....Suzuki V2? Or a better Beck?
Demidov...who is this guy? Does his game translate to the NHL or do we have another Kostitsyn? Is he a mini Kovalev?
Iginla...all roads point to a copy of dad, but so have a lot of other kids who turn into duds. See Tinordi.
Anybody has a crystal ball?
I'm leaning toward Sennecke but he's just not rated that high by anyone else other then my imagination. If we trade down and take him at 8th and another top 20 pick that we can package for another top 10 talent with our 26th...IF...IF...IF...
Look at this video and why I'm leaning toward Sennecke...and why I'm concerned about Lindstrome...
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 11, 2024 19:11:54 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Jun 11, 2024 19:31:36 GMT -5
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Post by folatre on Jun 11, 2024 19:58:01 GMT -5
I think Demidov will be gone, but if he is there, I run to the stage to pick him.
If the doctors (they are basically a new group working for the organization since Gorton/Hughes came in, right?) say Lindstrom is not riskier medically than anything other kid playing a violent sport going forward, then I take him. I see him way more as a Byfield v2 than Anderson. Let's be fair, Josh Anderson was a fourth round pick because he never had good hands or hockey awareness.
If Demidov is gone and there are medical questions unsatisfactorily resolved about Lindstrom, then my pick at fifth is Catton, though I would not be upset with Iginla.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 11, 2024 23:09:51 GMT -5
I think the attribution for that was Andre Savard, in the version I heard. Ahh I thought it was Gauthier... I think it was Gauthier who told Cammalleri he had to buy the jersey Yeah. Comes across as really cheap (which I think is right). I seem to recall some scuttlebutt about those two not being on the best of terms, or Camalleri being a difficult teammate. Something like that but I don't recall which. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 11, 2024 23:49:22 GMT -5
I'm so torn on who to pick... Sennecke...who may be the power forward with golden hands. Another Jason Spezza with more grit. Lindstrom...but are we getting Anderson V2? Or Or Byfield 2? Catton....Suzuki V2? Or a better Beck? Demidov...who is this guy? Does his game translate to the NHL or do we have another Kostitsyn? Is he a mini Kovalev? Iginla...all roads point to a copy of dad, but so have a lot of other kids who turn into duds. See Tinordi. Anybody has a crystal ball? I'm leaning toward Sennecke but he's just not rated that high by anyone else other then my imagination. If we trade down and take him at 8th and another top 20 pick that we can package for another top 10 talent with our 26th...IF...IF...IF... Look at this video and why I'm leaning toward Sennecke...and why I'm concerned about Lindstrom... Thanks Cranky, I had missed that podcast. What McCagg stated about Lindstrom is exactly what I noted and I consider him a winger, not a centre. He has the strength, the speed, and the shot. Most of his goals were all because he was set up for that great shot or he bulled himself into a position to use that great shot. The strength and the speed were there. What can be questioned, of course, is whether that speed and strength will translate to the NHL, where everyone is faster and stronger than the CHL. It will to a point, I think. He's not Josh Anderson, thankfully, but that comparison to Keith Primeau is not out of the question. Lindstrom seems to be faster and have a better shot, but the league was slower back then too. I don't think Sennecke is going to stay at 182 lbs. He'll fill out and the hands are certainly there. His shot is also very good and he uses it sneakily. IMO, I'd take Sennecke before Lindstrom. I also pray that Hughes can somehow get into the 10-15 range and Catton is still available. He would provide that centre insurance we need in case Dach is not the same Dach. It's going to be a blood pressure draft this year. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 12, 2024 6:46:52 GMT -5
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Post by Polarice on Jun 12, 2024 7:49:51 GMT -5
I've been seeing and Hearing that it's likely that Demidov is going to be available at 5. Some of the insiders are saying teams were having difficulty communicating with him because he doesn't speak english at all. If true and he's available, I don't care if he ever speaks english we need to grab him.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 12, 2024 7:52:52 GMT -5
Something I missed earlier which I thought was interesting, at the 26th spot in Bakula's final ranking is Lane's brother Cole. Can't see them taking him, 1 small D is enough imo |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 12, 2024 7:54:45 GMT -5
I've been seeing and Hearing that it's likely that Demidov is going to be available at 5. Some of the insiders are saying teams were having difficulty communicating with him because he doesn't speak english at all. If true and he's available, I don't care if he ever speaks english we need to grab him. It'll be interesting to see what happens, If The Hawks pass on him and take a D man, will be interesting to see who the next forward after Celebrini is, Demi or Lindy |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 12, 2024 7:56:19 GMT -5
I really have no idea. One of the toughest drafts to predict. I can see the upside in picking any of the top 4 forwards if that's the direction the team is going in.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 12, 2024 12:00:50 GMT -5
I've been seeing and Hearing that it's likely that Demidov is going to be available at 5. Some of the insiders are saying teams were having difficulty communicating with him because he doesn't speak english at all. If true and he's available, I don't care if he ever speaks english we need to grab him. Swedes and Fins all speak fluent English. Russians not so much. How will it look when he learns English and not French? Will he want to come here? |
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