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Post by Cranky on Aug 23, 2024 14:40:21 GMT -5
I would be the first to say that Hughes should never be happy with what we have and always try to improve.
But...given that Laine takes up our cap space, are we realistcally done as far as impact trades for this season?
The only trade i can think off that has an outside chance is Askarov trade for picks. And obviously our deadwood will be traded but i doubt that we will get back any roster player. Other then Savard, they simply don't have much value.
What say you? Are we done for now and marching towards the illustrious lofts of mediocrity?
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Post by Tankdriver on Aug 23, 2024 16:01:21 GMT -5
Askarov got traded to SJ. Nashville gets Vegas conditional first rounder in the next draft.
I feel like we could of matched this with the Florida pick.
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 23, 2024 16:10:40 GMT -5
Askarov got traded to SJ. Nashville gets Vegas conditional first rounder in the next draft. I feel like we could of matched this with the Florida pick. I dont believe that pick has not been finalized yet... |
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Post by habsgoalie27 on Aug 23, 2024 16:20:23 GMT -5
why is everyone so high on this guy he really has next to no NHL experience,  ? |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 23, 2024 16:24:08 GMT -5
Askarov got traded to SJ. Nashville gets Vegas conditional first rounder in the next draft. I feel like we could have matched this with the Florida pick. But they also got Edstrom, a Swedish 19 year old centre who was a first rounder in 2023 (32nd mind you). So the price would have been a first and likely a top prospect. Freidman did mention the Habs were one of the teams in the mix earlier this week. I don’t think goaltending is the team’s biggest worry with Fowler developing and who knows where Dobeš will end up, but he finished last season quite strong. Monty/Primeau are likely fine placeholders until the team is in a more serious contend mode. But I bet they still keep drafting a goalie each year just to keep chucking darts and see if one really pops. |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 23, 2024 17:05:05 GMT -5
Askarov got traded to SJ. Nashville gets Vegas conditional first rounder in the next draft. I feel like we could of matched this with the Florida pick. I guess this just happened at 4. They probably wanted and it's probably close to Beck and Florida pick. That would of been too much for a guy who is "rated" as a top prospect but he hasn't excelled in the AHL and has 3 NHL games. I don't know about you guys but I rate Beck a lot higher then his draft position. I would put him around 12 on a redraft. With Fowler in the system, Askarov is a too expensive to give up that much. Oh well... |
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 23, 2024 17:24:49 GMT -5
Askarov got traded to SJ. Nashville gets Vegas conditional first rounder in the next draft. I feel like we could of matched this with the Florida pick. I guess this just happened at 4. They probably wanted and it's probably close to Beck and Florida pick. That would of been too much for a guy who is "rated" as a top prospect but he hasn't excelled in the AHL and has 3 NHL games. I don't know about you guys but I rate Beck a lot higher then his draft position. I would put him around 12 on a redraft. With Fowler in the system, Askarov is a too expensive to give up that much. Oh well... I agree and I just noticed your upgraded name... The Uber is gone... woohoo... Hugo are growing on you! |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 23, 2024 17:32:11 GMT -5
I guess this just happened at 4. They probably wanted and it's probably close to Beck and Florida pick. That would of been too much for a guy who is "rated" as a top prospect but he hasn't excelled in the AHL and has 3 NHL games. I don't know about you guys but I rate Beck a lot higher then his draft position. I would put him around 12 on a redraft. With Fowler in the system, Askarov is a too expensive to give up that much. Oh well... I agree and I just noticed your upgraded name... The Uber is gone... woohoo... Hugo are growing on you! The team is growing on me. If they make the playoffs, Cranky is gone and the Habs Addict is back! |
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 23, 2024 18:37:09 GMT -5
That will be the end of an era... until they suck again
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Post by folatre on Aug 23, 2024 20:08:56 GMT -5
This is just another reminder that unless a guy is god elite in his prime, goalies just do not have exceptional trade value. But hey basically Trotz managed to get two late first rounders (the Swedish d-man picked 32nd overall in 2023 and the Vegas first round pick in 2025) in exchange for Askerov and a third rounder, so it is not like a total fire sale.
I like the calculated bet San Jose made in this deal because given how abjectly bad they have been in the last five seasons they had plenty of prospect and picks capital to spare. Saros was an elite level NHL during his 20s and one would assume he has some good years left in the tank, but if for some reason he starts to decline sooner than anticipated and Askerov blossoms and lives up to his lofty draft status, then people will second guess the decisions that Trotz made this summer. Time will say.
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Post by Skilly on Aug 24, 2024 12:02:36 GMT -5
I don’t see what people see in Beck. But even if Beck is good, where does he fit on this team? First line? Nope. Second line? Nope? Third line? If he doesn’t make the team this year, then his third line next year is in question.
So all this excitement, for a fourth line center? I don’t get it
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Post by habsorbed on Aug 24, 2024 12:08:27 GMT -5
I don’t see what people see in Beck. But even if Beck is good, where does he fit on this team? First line? Nope. Second line? Nope? Third line? If he doesn’t make the team this year, then his third line next year is in question. So all this excitement, for a fourth line center? I don’t get it I agree. He's a decent junior player but i don't see any qualities that stand out except for maybe his defensive awareness. I can't see him being any higher than a 3C in the NHL and probably only a mediocre one. And that ain't happenning for a few years. I will be stunned if he is on the Habs roster come Oct. |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 24, 2024 13:08:21 GMT -5
The reason i rate Beck highly is that i think his type of game translates to the NHL faster then a higher scoring prospect who lacks other dimensions to their game.
Aggressive two way player that will go through the wall for the team are critical to success and cups. That is exactly what the Laffs are lacking.
Will he get points? THAT is the biggest question of all. A younger, more aggressive Evans is not enough. He needs to be a 15-30 3rd liner to add to his other dimension.
If he can't score there are more talented centers that will eat his lunch...and all my hard earned hopium was for nothing.
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Post by habsorbed on Aug 24, 2024 14:28:54 GMT -5
HuGo is done for the summer. We don't have room for anymore forwards as long as we have the 4 Duds up front: Gally, Josh, Armia and Dvo. If HuGo can trade any of them he would but that ain't gonig to be possible given their salaries and what they bring - maybe at trade deadline. And we don't need dmen as we have too many now and we need to play the kids. While we could try and improve our goaltending, I believe HuGo want to see how Monty takes on the #1 role and if Primeau can push him - so do I.
So unless HuGo can figure out a way to dump any of the Duds, not much more is going to happen effecting this year's line up.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 24, 2024 16:06:55 GMT -5
Never say "never" ...
Cheers.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 24, 2024 16:29:45 GMT -5
I don’t see what people see in Beck. But even if Beck is good, where does he fit on this team? First line? Nope. Second line? Nope? Third line? If he doesn’t make the team this year, then his third line next year is in question. So all this excitement, for a fourth line center? I don’t get it You have to think Lars Eller, but with a better shot that picks corners rather than hitting the goalie in the chest. Better than Lars on face-offs and a good penalty killer. In other words, an excellent 3C. We also have Oliver Kapanen who is trending as an excellent 3C. Our 3C cup runneth over. A winning team needs players with different skill sets, not just all scorers. He also rose to the occasion at the Memorial Cup moment. Being able to handle pressure is not in every player's DNA. I'm not over the moon on Beck, (like say, Demidov or Slaf) but he can be an integral part of a team built to win in every style of game. |
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Post by seventeen on Aug 24, 2024 16:38:05 GMT -5
HuGo is done for the summer. We don't have room for anymore forwards as long as we have the 4 Duds up front: Gally, Josh, Armia and Dvo. If HuGo can trade any of them he would but that ain't going to be possible given their salaries and what they bring - maybe at trade deadline. And we don't need dmen as we have too many now and we need to play the kids. While we could try and improve our goaltending, I believe HuGo want to see how Monty takes on the #1 role and if Primeau can push him - so do I. So unless HuGo can figure out a way to dump any of the Duds, not much more is going to happen effecting this year's line up. He traded Weber's contract, Petry several times, Mike Hoffman, Ben Chiarot for a freaking 1st pick (Mailloux), and Joel Edmundson for a 3rd (Logan Sawyer) and a 5th (Makar Khanin). I wouldn't put anything past Hughes regarding those 4. Dvorak is at least tradeable. Last year of his contract and if he performs to start the year, not overly priced re his AAV. One can always trade one bad contract for another (hopefully shorter), or for a player who fits what we need. But yeah, Anderson and Gally will be tough. At least Galley gives us something. He was playing well at the end of the year. 16-15-31 after a bad start? Not atrocious. Bad for 6.25MM, but he might produce more this year, if he can stay away from Anderson. |
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Post by Skilly on Aug 24, 2024 21:47:15 GMT -5
I don’t see what people see in Beck. But even if Beck is good, where does he fit on this team? First line? Nope. Second line? Nope? Third line? If he doesn’t make the team this year, then his third line next year is in question. So all this excitement, for a fourth line center? I don’t get it You have to think Lars Eller, but with a better shot that picks corners rather than hitting the goalie in the chest. Better than Lars on face-offs and a good penalty killer. In other words, an excellent 3C. We also have Oliver Kapanen who is trending as an excellent 3C. Our 3C cup runneth over. A winning team needs players with different skill sets, not just all scorers. He also rose to the occasion at the Memorial Cup moment. Being able to handle pressure is not in every player's DNA. I'm not over the moon on Beck, (like say, Demidov or Slaf) but he can be an integral part of a team built to win in every style of game. Yeah, but we have that with Jake Evans. And when Demidov makes the team, everybody and their dog has slated Newhook for 3C. I mean a 55 point pace wasn't good enough for some to keep Newhook on the second line, and now there is another unknown quantity, and people have Newhook playing out of position again .... yeah, I don't see where Beck slots in on this team. Ever. In two years time, we will have two more draft picks as well. Beck is trade fodder to get better |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 25, 2024 0:25:33 GMT -5
Absolutely no one has ever said that a center can't play wing. If Newhook is 3C then Beck can play 4C or right wing.
Anderson and Evans are not exactly towering beast of point production.
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Post by Cranky on Aug 25, 2024 12:03:42 GMT -5
I find it interesting...
When the Habs got Laine, a day later McGroaty gets traded and a week later Askarov.
The Habs were in on both of them so it makes sense that when we left the table, other pieces were moved.
This kind of proves that Hughes is serious in these conversations...but only on his terms.
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Post by folatre on Aug 25, 2024 19:17:10 GMT -5
Beck is a good, not great, prospect. Having said that, I see no reason why he cannot develop into an effective third liner. Speed, smarts, energy, physicality, and checking prowess are nice attributes on the third line. Of course, if Beck is not ultimately going to be a significant offensive producer, then the key is to bolster the line with two guys who are significant producers. Roy, Newhook, and Beck could be a potential trio in 2025-26.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 25, 2024 20:37:00 GMT -5
why is everyone so high on this guy he really has next to no NHL experience, ? Agree. Why is he better than the goalies and prospects we already have? |
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