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Post by hubey on Nov 30, 2003 21:35:49 GMT -5
Talk about the next Lemieux!! HIs this kid awesome or what can't wait for the 2005 draft. We should trade or the 1st ovarall pick! what do u guy's think about this young superstar.
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Post by hubey on Nov 30, 2003 21:37:12 GMT -5
yah
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Post by seventeen on Nov 30, 2003 22:57:54 GMT -5
Might be a little early to proclaim him the next saviour, though he's looking good. In any case, many stars, galaxies and novas would have to line up straight for us to have a shot at him..
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Post by blaise on Nov 30, 2003 23:11:38 GMT -5
Pittsburgh or Chicago will get him. The Penguiins just traded Martin Straka, improving their chances of finishing last. With Fleury and Crosby (and/or Ovechkin), the Penguins will sow the seeds for a new powerhouse after they relocate to a more supportive city. The Habs will press their noses to the plate glass window and look on longingly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2003 23:55:33 GMT -5
Imagine in the next few years the Pens with Ovechkin and Crosby in their line-up.
They'll be as dangerous as Atlanta is going to be.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 1, 2003 0:52:41 GMT -5
Pittsburgh or Chicago will get him. The Penguiins just traded Martin Straka, improving their chances of finishing last. With Fleury and Crosby (and/or Ovechkin), the Penguins will sow the seeds for a new powerhouse after they relocate to a more supportive city. Yes, the Penguins have experience at tanking. That's a strategy that is quite sickening. True irony would be them losing the lottery and watching someone else take Crosby. Besides it would make me feel pretty good. |
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Post by MC Habber on Dec 1, 2003 0:59:59 GMT -5
Imagine in the next few years the Pens with Ovechkin and Crosby in their line-up. They'll be as dangerous as Atlanta is going to be. They won't get both, unless they are extremely lucky, since they have nothing to trade for a 1st overall pick (especially not for Crosby). They may well not get either. |
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Post by franko on Dec 1, 2003 7:40:49 GMT -5
the Penguins will sow the seeds for a new powerhouse after they relocate to a more supportive city. There is no more supportive city--that's why the Penguins are still in Pittsburg, the Senators are still in Ottawa, the Panthers are still in Florida . . . and why there are teams in Nashville and . . . |
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Post by blny on Dec 1, 2003 7:45:15 GMT -5
They won't get both, unless they are extremely lucky, since they have nothing to trade for a 1st overall pick (especially not for Crosby). They may well not get either. They'll have a better chance than any other team. With the lottery, they're guaranteed not to pick any worse than third. If they manage to win the draw for #1 it'll be Ovechkin this year, and Crosby next. The odds aren't against that happenning, but it will require good fortune. If a team is lucky enough to land both players, they will be in outstanding shape. Montreal won't end up with either, so let's not torture ourselves by dreaming of the possibilities. Montreal will end up with a pick in the neighborhood of #10. They may attempt to trade up, but I doubt they could land the #1. The Pens are rebuilding. What better way to do so than the hands down number one player in the 2004 draft. Most pundants have said that the coming draft isn't overly deep, so trading the #1 is unlikely. Last year was so deep that there were essentially 3 #1's available. The talent pool for '04 is said to be particularly thin in NA prospects. Expect BG to select a Euro most have barely heard of. |
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Post by MC Habber on Dec 2, 2003 1:48:44 GMT -5
They'll have a better chance than any other team. With the lottery, they're guaranteed not to pick any worse than third. If they manage to win the draw for #1 it'll be Ovechkin this year, and Crosby next. The odds aren't against that happenning, but it will require good fortune. You're assuming that they finish last both years aren't you (not a stretch at all of course)? Regardless, the odds are against it - as I understand the rules, if they finish first in both seasons they have a 1/3 times 1/3 chance (1/9 or 11.1%) of getting both 1st overall picks. It could happen, but I would definitely bet against it. |
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Post by blny on Dec 2, 2003 7:36:04 GMT -5
You're assuming that they finish last both years aren't you (not a stretch at all of course)? Yup. Mario will retire at season's end, meaning that they'll be left with Fleury, Morozov and whomever they get this spring. Oh ... and there is Fata too. Rico is having a fine season, but he isn't this team's saviour. Regardless, the odds are against it - as I understand the rules, if they finish first in both seasons they have a 1/3 times 1/3 chance (1/9 or 11.1%) of getting both 1st overall picks. It could happen, but I would definitely bet against it. True enough, if yah wanna get a technical.   ;D Seriously though, I think that the 11% chance of them landing both top picks is as good as any team has ever had. That was the point I was trying to get at, I just chose my words poorly. |
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Post by blaise on Dec 2, 2003 11:31:37 GMT -5
You're assuming that they finish last both years aren't you (not a stretch at all of course)? Regardless, the odds are against it - as I understand the rules, if they finish first in both seasons they have a 1/3 times 1/3 chance (1/9 or 11.1%) of getting both 1st overall picks. It could happen, but I would definitely bet against it. It's a 40% chance each lottery if they finish last both times. The chances of getting both are therefore 16%. The chances of getting at least one of Ovechkin or Crosby are 64%, as I explained in another thread (1 minus 0.60 squared = 36%, the chances of their not getting at least one). If they get only one, then they will also get the second overall pick in they year they don't get the first. That isn't so bad either. As for where the Penguins could locate, there are still a few cities with a larger market than Pittsburgh: Houston, Austin, and Seattle, for example. I would have added Portland, Oregon, but the economy has been bad recently. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 2, 2003 11:44:32 GMT -5
Thanks Hubey. I was trying to think of this youngster's name because I had seen a special on him. I would really like to see him play live.
I guess he's from Halifax. Nice to see another east-coast youngster do well.
Should we get him? If he continues to dominate, heck yeah ... but me thinks there would be some pretty major competition for his services.
Anyway, thanks again.
Cheers.
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Post by Andrew on Dec 2, 2003 13:22:50 GMT -5
Talk about the next Lemieux!! HIs this kid awesome or what can't wait for the 2005 draft. We should trade or the 1st ovarall pick! what do u guy's think about this young superstar. It's pretty amazing. He's leading the Q in scoring as a 16 yr old rookie - by like 20 points. I'm really looking forward to watching him play in the WJC. Did you guys see the highlight of his wraparound, top shelf goal - like the Michigan one from a few years ago. |
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Post by Rimmer on Dec 2, 2003 13:40:15 GMT -5
another russian kid, Malkin, wouldn't be a bad choice for those missing on Ovechkin. he's a year younger than Ovechkin but he's already a memeber of the russian U-20 team and had 3pts (2g, 1a) in 3 games in the recent U-20 tournament in Finland. he also plays for Metallurg Magnitogorsk in the russian Superleague and has 6 assists in 20 games so far. he's 189 cm and 81 kg at the age of 17 (born in 1986.). he's a center.
R.
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Post by habernac on Dec 2, 2003 14:43:14 GMT -5
Pittsburgh will fold before any of that talent ever matures. I don't think even a good CBA will save them after this season.
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Post by blaise on Dec 2, 2003 14:54:37 GMT -5
another russian kid, Malkin, wouldn't be a bad choice for those missing on Ovechkin. he's a year younger than Ovechkin but he's already a memeber of the russian U-20 team and had 3pts (2g, 1a) in 3 games in the recent U-20 tournament in Finland. he also plays for Metallurg Magnitogorsk in the russian Superleague and has 6 assists in 20 games so far. he's 189 cm and 81 kg at the age of 17 (born in 1986.). he's a center. Good point. There are other fish in the sea besides Ovechkin and Crosby who can help a struggling team. |
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Post by Polarice on Dec 2, 2003 14:55:21 GMT -5
Pittsburgh will fold before any of that talent ever matures. I don't think even a good CBA will save them after this season. There's rumours going around that Pittsburgh will be sold and maybe moved at the end of this year. Lets hope not. |
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Post by blaise on Dec 2, 2003 14:56:51 GMT -5
Pittsburgh will fold before any of that talent ever matures. I don't think even a good CBA will save them after this season. Allowing a contraction of one team would be feasible. However, a sale and eventual relocation is another possibility. |
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Post by HabbaDasher on Dec 2, 2003 15:03:22 GMT -5
Contraction, please.
There are too many teams.
Save them for cities that are actually interested in hockey.
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Post by Polarice on Dec 2, 2003 15:18:48 GMT -5
Contraction, please. There are too many teams. Save them for cities that are actually interested in hockey. Pittsburgh used to be a great Hockey city, it can be again. |
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Post by HabbaDasher on Dec 2, 2003 15:55:20 GMT -5
Oh, I do think Pittsburg's a hockey city.
I was referring to some of the other expansion teams.
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Post by blaise on Dec 2, 2003 16:16:05 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the city found the funds to build a new football stadium and a new baseball stadium but not an arena to replace the "Igloo." That would have been the salvation of the franchise but now I see no hope in the long run. Incidentally, M-A Fleury is reported to have said that he would be willing to forgo his $3M bonuses to remain with the team for the rest of the season after hearing that the Penguins stand to lose an estimated $5M. That, to say the least, is commendable in an era of greedy athletes (and owners).
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Post by Kareem on Dec 2, 2003 16:40:40 GMT -5
I agree Malkin, Schremp or Tukonen would be more realistic for us and they are all projected 1st line centers. Crosby would cost even more then what we offered Atlanta for Kovalchuck. Olesz might be intersting but from what I've read, the scouting reports look a lot like those of Svitov, so its not a safe pick to me.
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Post by Montrealer on Dec 2, 2003 17:17:16 GMT -5
Contraction, please. There are too many teams. Save them for cities that are actually interested in hockey. The hypocritical Canadian
And again walks in the Canadian on the high horse
Braying for all to hear
"There cannot be hockey in the south, of course!
It is as unnatural as warm beer
I die every time I see
Hockey played in Miami
Americans that have no clue
Asking what the 'defensemen' do
No frozen tradition to speak of
No proud original six
It does not fit them like a glove
I believe the league needs a fix
Begone! Begone! All you raucous upstarts!
Our game is ours to own!
Keep your baseball, basketball, and racing CARTs,
uh.....wait a second, leave my beloved Blue Jays and Expos alone!"
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Post by Kareem on Dec 2, 2003 17:26:07 GMT -5
The hypocritical Canadian
And again walks in the Canadian on the high horse
Braying for all to hear
"There cannot be hockey in the south, of course!
It is as unnatural as warm beer
I die every time I see
Hockey played in Miami
Americans that have no clue
Asking what the 'defensemen' do
No frozen tradition to speak of
No proud original six
It does not fit them like a glove
I believe the league needs a fix
Begone! Begone! All you raucous upstarts!
Our game is ours to own!
Keep your baseball, basketball, and racing CARTs,
uh.....wait a second, leave my beloved Blue Jays and Expos alone!"
I know this will be an unpopular comment but I believe the Expos should be contracted and I've never cared about the Blue Jays. I think contraction is a part of the answer and a lot of teams that have been misplaced should never have existed. 30 teams is too big for a league thats not even considered a major one. |
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Post by HabbaDasher on Dec 2, 2003 17:26:41 GMT -5
What can I say except..... |
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Post by HabbaDasher on Dec 2, 2003 17:27:32 GMT -5
directed at Mr. Montrealer, of course.
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Post by Montrealer on Dec 2, 2003 17:34:01 GMT -5
I think contraction is a part of the answer and a lot of teams that have been misplaced should never have existed. 30 teams is too big for a league thats not even considered a major one. I think contraction is a part of the answer for people that don't really put a lot of thought into the real problems of the league and instead are searching for band-aid solutions that will achieve nothing. I remember spending hours creating a study about the amount of players in the league vis a vis European content, comparing 1989-90 and last season. It proved that the same amount of Canadians (indeed a few less) are playing in the NHL, and the increase in number of teams over the past thirteen years has been more than made up by European (and to a lesser extent, American) players. I've explained how American football is able to find enough athletes (40X30=1200!) to populate it's league even though you're talking about a potential population base of 300,000,000; Hockey's potential population base is roughly 600,000,000. So it pains me to see people type "contract because it's too big" without any sort of objective analysis or case study proving how it would work nor how it would help. I say expand! Let's go to 36 teams by adding a European division! Let's make the nets a bit bigger! Let's get rid of the red line for two-line offsides! To heck with the traditionalists, for it is truly their outmoded idealogies that are destroying the game I love, by not letting it grow! That which does not grow, must die. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2003 17:34:34 GMT -5
Oh, I do think Pittsburg's a hockey city. I was referring to some of the other expansion teams. Atlanta, Florida, Carolina: Bring 'em to Canada! Bring back the Jets and the Nordiques! |
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;D Seriously though, I think that the 11% chance of them landing both top picks is as good as any team has ever had. That was the point I was trying to get at, I just chose my words poorly. 
