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Post by TheHabsfan on Feb 5, 2004 8:31:56 GMT -5
Well, I guess it was bound to happen....I feel that there is no place for biggotry and intollerance in today's society, and especially not Hockey! Hope this serves a lesson! However, after reading message boards and talkbacks on TSN.ca, he is not alone in his beliefs...the hate and intollerance is wide spread! It's unfortunate! cheers, THF edit: the correct address!!! www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=70961 |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Feb 5, 2004 9:22:39 GMT -5
CBC should promote the MacLean/Cherry segment as a comedy skit.
Rename it "Dork's Corner".
Have Bowser & Blue write a theme song.
Have Aislin draw a title cartoon.
Get wardrobe to rustle up some duds for MacLean from the stores Cherry frequents.
Put a case of Molson Canadian by Cherry's left elbow.
Have MacLean wear a referee's whistle.
Subtitle Cherry's comments in French; but change references to Québécois, Finns and Swedes to English, Irish and Scots.
Finish each segment by having Cherry punch MacLean while the latter is wearing a visor.
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Post by Montrealer on Feb 5, 2004 9:59:07 GMT -5
Hey, Todd Simpson is with Ottawa! ;D |
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 5, 2004 10:06:11 GMT -5
The above link now takes you to a story about the Sens acquiring Todd Simpson. Here's the Cherry link: www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=70961Way to go CBC, wash your hands of the whole thing. I can see it now: a disclaimer before every Coach's Corner. "The following segment will contain blanketed opinions of a bigotted nature toward any culture other than English, especially French, and will be offensive. The views expressed are not the views of the CBC, but solely of the two rednecks involved. Viewer discretion is advised." |
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Post by TheHabsfan on Feb 5, 2004 11:16:02 GMT -5
Hey, Todd Simpson is with Ottawa! ;D DOH!!! There now...ya see what happens when you are in a hurry! looks like I control-v'ed when I should've control-c'ed! sorry bout that! THF |
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Post by franko on Feb 6, 2004 19:56:37 GMT -5
"The following segment will contain blanketed opinions of a bigotted nature toward any culture other than English, especially French, and will be offensive. The views expressed are not the views of the CBC, but solely of the two rednecks involved. Viewer discretion is advised." Only one redneck--MacLean is usually reasonable. Read an interview with Cherry in an article in Saturday Night a dozen years ago. He was just as full of himself then (telling MacLean "it's me they pay to see"). MacLean's job is really just to reign him in . . . he just hasn't been doiing it (can't do it?). CBC now has Coach's Corner on a 7 second tape delay, but that means that someone in the studio actually has to listen to him and be in control of himself enough to bleep the tape! |
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Post by blaise on Feb 6, 2004 21:26:28 GMT -5
I just glanced at Cyberpresse, which reports that CBC will insert a 7-second delay into Cherry's comments on Coach's Corner to permit censoring offensive remarks. The pit bull has been muzzled, or has he?
Considering that English is Cherry's second language (Lord knows what his first is), the censors would first have to translate his remarks, then expunge the slurs.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 7, 2004 1:43:11 GMT -5
Only one redneck--MacLean is usually reasonable. Agreed, but telling this hack street joke at the opening of the Bobby Orr museum in Parry Sound, doesn't exclude him of criticism. 'Don doesn't mind French immersion...it's just that they don't hold them under long enough.' But he's laughing all the way to the bank. Hopefully this inquiry will put an end to this "Toronto-Anglo" crap. And I'm an Anglo-Toronto area guy....who just happens to be, happily, a huge Habs fan. ;D During the Ottawa-Toronto game when Marcel Hossa was cut by the clear-in from Ken Klee, Harry Neale said, "I haven't seen that much blood in a bullfight." Now that pretty much sums it up Toronto-wise, doesn't it? |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 7, 2004 22:20:06 GMT -5
I kinda sorta like Cherry. I watch Coaches Corner for the comedy more than what he actually says. But the "anti-french" feelings that irks Quebecers does not come from Anglo-Canada. It is limited to just the "center of the universe" media.
I live in Newfoundland and we have a strong french community here (wouldn't have thunk it would ya) and most everyone I know is semi-bilingual. We used to get the Montreal games here every Saturday night. Now we don't get any unless they are playing Toronto. Same with TSN. Just 2 years ago all Montreal and Ottawa games were blacked out here, and the "regional" coverage of the Toronto games only went as far as Halifax. So I wrote a letter to TSN ..... what region are we in if we don't get Ottawa, Toronto, or Montreal games? Well all I have to say is thank god for Sportsnet and Center Ice or I would have had to move to Montreal ...... I blame the CBC, and TSN for this anti-french mentality .... they refuse to show anything but Blue Jays, Argonauts, and Leafs. And if you think Bob Cole is annoying and he is ...... then try listening to joe Bowen. (Holy Mackinaw ..... I wish someone would put some kinda delay on his mouth)
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Post by snap on Feb 8, 2004 1:54:05 GMT -5
Ya know what, this is really frustrating to see this. The guy can say what he wants. I think the critcs are just being babies and politically correct which is a load anyways. And why don't europeans get mad at him, why do they not matter and the "french" do? I think people should really get a grip and take a pill. He has his opinions and reasons. To be honest, for the most part Quebec born players and Europeans do tend to wear more visors, it's a fact, he just happened to mention it. And if the french media and language police got so upset about it, what were they doing watching english TV? I just think people are juvenile, 20 years ago this conversation wouldn't be happening.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 8, 2004 2:11:17 GMT -5
I would have turned it around. If only non-french and non-euro players are not wearing the visor, why are they being so dumb? Until players learn to keep their sticks down, it's foolish to not wear a visor. At least not all hockey players have lost their marbles.
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Post by PTH on Feb 8, 2004 3:08:01 GMT -5
I just think people are juvenile, 20 years ago this conversation wouldn't be happening. Of course not, but Quebecers have learned to stick up for themselves, when being insulted gratuitously by a lame excuse for a human being who makes a living with simple-minded trash. |
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Post by patate on Feb 8, 2004 9:03:30 GMT -5
Ya know what, this is really frustrating to see this. The guy can say what he wants. I think the critcs are just being babies and politically correct which is a load anyways. And why don't europeans get mad at him, why do they not matter and the "french" do? I think people should really get a grip and take a pill. He has his opinions and reasons. To be honest, for the most part Quebec born players and Europeans do tend to wear more visors, it's a fact, he just happened to mention it. And if the french media and language police got so upset about it, what were they doing watching english TV? I just think people are juvenile, 20 years ago this conversation wouldn't be happening. Cherry said that : " ...people who wear visors are cowards. Anyway, the only one who wear them are europeens and french guys." I believe quebecers felt attacked on the coward thing,not for the visor thing, dont you think? And he also said that people who high-stick are europeens. Well I didnt know that Donald Brashear ( most high-stick penalties ) was europeen, gee... you ask why french canadians defend themself, I'll tell you why ; because until the 1960, french people were treated no better then black people ( in fact we were often named as white negers ), in Montreal, french were only assigned to blue collars job while the english minority hold all the money and power. My grandmother always tell me that story witch happen in 1955 where she went shopping on St-Catherine street ( Eaton ) and when she ask a clerk for help ( in french ) the response was : speak white. And NO it wasnt an isolated case. So please sir, do me a favor and never post something like that again. |
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Post by Bob on Feb 8, 2004 13:21:13 GMT -5
I am neither French Canadian or European but I find Don Cherry to be totally disgusting. He is a proven loser with a big mouth... and his sensationalism is akin to being the Jerry Springer of hockey.
As for his opinions on how hockey should be run, we need to look no further than his pitiful Ice Dogs. Thankfully someone came in and rescued the franchise.
Cherry was never more than a thug as a player, a coach and a team owner. It is something he has carried over into his broadcasting career.
If we really want to debase our game then by all means keep Don Cherry. But if we want to move it into the 21st century I think the CBC can do much better.
As for Ron MacLean... I used to respect the guy but he has compromised his integrity on several occasions as well.
In the world of news, CBC stands for the principles of fair and balanced reporting. Hockey Night In Canada, however, has become a joke with its uneven, uninformed and biased.
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Post by snap on Feb 8, 2004 17:56:24 GMT -5
Cherry said that : " ...people who wear visors are cowards. Anyway, the only one who wear them are europeens and french guys." I believe quebecers felt attacked on the coward thing,not for the visor thing, dont you think? And he also said that people who high-stick are europeens. Well I didnt know that Donald Brashear ( most high-stick penalties ) was europeen, gee... you ask why french canadians defend themself, I'll tell you why ; because until the 1960, french people were treated no better then black people ( in fact we were often named as white negers ), in Montreal, french were only assigned to blue collars job while the english minority hold all the money and power. My grandmother always tell me that story witch happen in 1955 where she went shopping on St-Catherine street ( Eaton ) and when she ask a clerk for help ( in french ) the response was : speak white. And NO it wasnt an isolated case. So please sir, do me a favor and never post something like that again. People are allowed to have their own opinion last time I checked. Now people are also alowed to say Don Cherry's remarks were uncalled for, but for people and media to blow up because 1 man makes comments, that's what I think is juvenile. Don't talk to me about sticking up for your "race" because my race has had it's problems and genocide. Hockey is not that big in comparison. Anyways, I'm not posting to piss people off and be the outspoken suporter of Don Cherry and I don't agree with his comments, but that's life eh? Let's move on and talk hockey and not media. |
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Post by blny on Feb 9, 2004 8:03:47 GMT -5
CBC should promote the MacLean/Cherry segment as a comedy skit. Have Bowser & Blue write a theme song. I like that idea. Those to guys are funny as hell. I love the old Christmas Special they did that CTV likes to air each year. ;D |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 9, 2004 21:59:54 GMT -5
Cherry should be repremanded for his comments, but not the ones he made last week. He's gone way over the line several times before, but the comments he made last week are being blown way out of proportion.
The CBC isn't handling this right at all. They publicly denounce Cherry, but at the same time keep him on staff. Bogus! The Feds are jumping all over him in an attempt to say, "We may not have acted before, but we're sure going to do it now." I just hope people aren't distracted by this action from the ever-growing scandals looming over the Liberal party right now. Bogus!
I still think he brings out a lot of good stuff. But, he has gone way over the line in the past, again, in the past. Swedes, Europeans in general and our own Francophone community have been objects of his little-thought-out implusive comments. However, I work with several Francophones and they took no offense to what he said last week. None at all. Mind you, we revisited some of the snide remarks he made a few years back and that was a different story.
Should CBC have done something a while ago? Yes, most certainly, but they missed the boat. Putting him on a seven-second delay is bogus, ney, sensorship. You simply can't do that in a country that permits freedom of speech. If they're really serious about his latest "slip" then they should do the right thing and fire him.
But, doing so would probably lose CBC the audience Cherry attracts. And, I think that is their sole agenda here.
Oh well.
Cheers.
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