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Post by Strummerman on Mar 15, 2004 23:42:38 GMT -5
I dont think its a certainty that he will recover, but the neck break may not be as bad as initially thought. However, there is scuttlebutt he may sue Bertuzzi if he cant play again. As for Sundin, most prima donna hockey players as you refer to them dont act like wild animals so they wont be suspended. I think the league misses a lot of prima donnas like Jean Beliveau Jean Ratelle, or maybe present day players like Joe Sakic and Paul Kariya. Can you imagine how good these players could be if they didnt think they would have their head chopped off if they stood in front of the net? |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 16, 2004 9:30:55 GMT -5
Sure why not eliminate checking entirely from the game ..... that way they can stand in front of the net all day long and not worry about anything.
Let's see .... you are not allowed to stick him (slashing), not allowed to push him with stick (cross checking), not allowed to force him out of the way (interference), not allowed to grab his stick (holding the stick), not allowed to check him .....
why don't we just take the goalies out of the net and be done with it .....
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Post by seventeen on Mar 16, 2004 15:04:21 GMT -5
I doubt anyone is advocating that, but it would be good to get rid of stuff like...a late crosscheck to the neck by Bryan McCabe on a Sabre last night, after Kidd had frozen the puck and the Sabre was just standing there. That sort of crap we don't need.
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Post by franko on Mar 16, 2004 18:24:28 GMT -5
Let's see .... you are not allowed to stick him (slashing), not allowed to push him with stick (cross checking I love semantics and word-play: "stick him" instead of "chop him" and "push him with a stick" instead of "drive him forcefully from behind". How about the fact that you are not allowed to "poke at him" (spearing)? |
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Post by Strummerman on Mar 16, 2004 18:40:17 GMT -5
Sure why not eliminate checking entirely from the game ..... that way they can stand in front of the net all day long and not worry about anything. Let's see .... you are not allowed to stick him (slashing), not allowed to push him with stick (cross checking), not allowed to force him out of the way (interference), not allowed to grab his stick (holding the stick), not allowed to check him ..... why don't we just take the goalies out of the net and be done with it ..... From what your saying the rules are so strict players cant do anything and therefore offensive players are having a field day??? Why is the opposite happening. Why is Pat Lafontaine in a suit??? Why is Jeremy Roenick in a suit??? Why is Cam Neely and Pierre Mondou long retired??? Why is Eric Lindros close to retirement??? Where is Jason Allison and Zigmund Palffy and Mario Lemieux and Scott Stevens  Where is Pavel Bure these days??? And so on and so on? I dont think Paul Kariya is the player he was before he got his head handed to him by Gary Suter. Kariya was probably the most exciting player in the league a few years ago. PS I have to take back the remarks about Maguire. I hear him on the radio being totaly against fighting and adding severe penaties should be given to terminal fighters. |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 17, 2004 9:49:37 GMT -5
From what your saying the rules are so strict players cant do anything and therefore offensive players are having a field day??? Why is the opposite happening. Why is Pat Lafontaine in a suit??? Why is Jeremy Roenick in a suit??? Why is Cam Neely and Pierre Mondou long retired??? Why is Eric Lindros close to retirement??? Where is Jason Allison and Zigmund Palffy and Mario Lemieux and Scott Stevens Where is Pavel Bure these days??? And so on and so on? I dont think Paul Kariya is the player he was before he got his head handed to him by Gary Suter. Kariya was probably the most exciting player in the league a few years ago. PS I have to take back the remarks about Maguire. I hear him on the radio being totaly against fighting and adding severe penaties should be given to terminal fighters. We are fighting the same fight. I want to have cross-checking punished, and spearing, and all the crap that we see. But you said they don't have room, it isn't a matter of room, because we can't go to the other end of the spectrum and give them too much either. If the rule book was inforced as written then all that crap in front of the net would be called ..... the fact is it isn't called. But you can't sacrifice some defensive aspects of the game either. Remember in the 80's when scoring was up you never heard of a holding the stick call, it was one facet the defense had to rely on, the stick would be tied up .... but the elite were too fast to get theirs tied up ...... to give more room then the rule calls will have to be modified slightly ..... but the stick crap should be called. (and suspensions put in place as well) |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 18, 2004 22:21:09 GMT -5
I dont think its a certainty that he will recover, but the neck break may not be as bad as initially thought. However, there is scuttlebutt he may sue Bertuzzi if he cant play again. As for Sundin, most prima donna hockey players as you refer to them dont act like wild animals so they wont be suspended. I think the league misses a lot of prima donnas like Jean Beliveau Jean Ratelle, or maybe present day players like Joe Sakic and Paul Kariya. Can you imagine how good these players could be if they didnt think they would have their head chopped off if they stood in front of the net? I remember the 1975 New Years Eve Red Army/Canadiens post-game interview with Peter Mahovlich. Besides apologizing to Canada for not winning the game, the Little M said, "... it was nice playing a game without worrying about a stick around your ear..." or something like that anyway. That said a lot considering the stickwork that happened on both sides in 1972. Le Gros Bill could take care of himself, but John Ferguson was always around too; just in case. Jean Ratelle, though a known as a gentlemanly player, was pretty handy with his stick for other than scoring goals. You didn't want to tick off any of the old-time players; they knew what and how to do it. Most were pretty good at dropping the gloves. I just read Gordie Howe's comments describing the incident in the Hockey News. I won't use exact quotes, but Howe basically said that Bertuzzi is a grown man and has to face the music. In his day, he tried to see the man face-to-face when he hit him; nothing from the side, or from behind, you could always see him when you hit him. According to Howe, Stan Makita, who he describes as a great player, was hacking at his calves for most of the game, which caused them to bleed. He told Makita to stop it, he didn't, and Howe cold-c*cked him. When he came too, Makita asked, "... are we even?" Howe said, "... yeah ..." And that was that. Pretty different times nowadays. Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 18, 2004 22:25:41 GMT -5
I doubt anyone is advocating that, but it would be good to get rid of stuff like...a late crosscheck to the neck by Bryan McCabe on a Sabre last night, after Kidd had frozen the puck and the Sabre was just standing there. That sort of crap we don't need. I also read that McCabe did that to Koivu at the end of the last Habs/Leafs game. Last Saturday he said he was just finishing a check. What's his excuse this time my hair hurts...That's two in a row for McCabe. What did Hitchc*ck say about Havlat? "Someday, someone is going to make him eat his lunch." Who knows, he might be starting his own reputation and I think McCabe had better rethink that one out. Sort of redefines professional. Cheers. |
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Post by Strummerman on Mar 21, 2004 16:46:37 GMT -5
I remember the 1975 New Years Eve Red Army/Canadiens post-game interview with Peter Mahovlich. Besides apologizing to Canada for not winning the game, the Little M said, "... it was nice playing a game without worrying about a stick around your ear..." or something like that anyway. That said a lot considering the stickwork that happened on both sides in 1972. Le Gros Bill could take care of himself, but John Ferguson was always around too; just in case. Jean Ratelle, though a known as a gentlemanly player, was pretty handy with his stick for other than scoring goals. You didn't want to tick off any of the old-time players; they knew what and how to do it. Most were pretty good at dropping the gloves. I just read Gordie Howe's comments describing the incident in the Hockey News. I won't use exact quotes, but Howe basically said that Bertuzzi is a grown man and has to face the music. In his day, he tried to see the man face-to-face when he hit him; nothing from the side, or from behind, you could always see him when you hit him. According to Howe, Stan Makita, who he describes as a great player, was hacking at his calves for most of the game, which caused them to bleed. He told Makita to stop it, he didn't, and Howe cold-c*cked him. When he came too, Makita asked, "... are we even?" Howe said, "... yeah ..." And that was that. Pretty different times nowadays. Cheers. Good stories. Le Gros Bill and Stan the Man garnered a few penalties and played it tough in their first few seasons. However, once they were established as superstars no one eve rhit them especially Beliveau. It would be like an immortal sin to take a cheap shot at Le Gros Bill. I think Peter M was talking about the way the Flyers were playing the game in 1975 rather than than the 72 Series. Don't get me wrong I like fights like the majority of fans. The last 2 Leafs Habs fights with Rivet Marchmanet and Langdon Domi were classics and very entertaining. However these type of fights are few and far between. |
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Where is Pavel Bure these days??? And so on and so on? I dont think Paul Kariya is the player he was before he got his head handed to him by Gary Suter. Kariya was probably the most exciting player in the league a few years ago.