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Post by habwest on Mar 9, 2004 2:25:39 GMT -5
After watching the replays a number of times of Bertuzzi stalking Moore, then sucker punching him from behind and then driving him head first into the ice I've come to the following conclusions:
- Bertuzzi should be permanently suspended from the NHL;
- Bertuzzi should be charged with assault and, if he is convicted, he should get jail time.
After several previous serious assaults and the resulting consequences the message apparently hasn't got through to these jocks so it's time to get serious. It's time to rid the game of this kind of thug action.
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Post by zenseeker on Mar 9, 2004 3:01:49 GMT -5
First off it's hockey not soccer or basketball. It's a tough sport. Yeah the punch was cheap, but criminal charges come on. Moore lived by the sword so what is so suprising about this. Give Burt five games and negate the instigator rule and we won't see situations like tonight. Moore backed down from numerous fight attempts by Nuck players. If he had fought most likely this wouldn't of happened. Hockey is a game of emotion you can't take that away.
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Post by Steve Zissou on Mar 9, 2004 4:39:46 GMT -5
Personnally, I wouldn't mind seing this brainless Nucklehead being suspended for the remaining of the season + the playoffs.
I saw the incident on hockey fights.com and it is totally brutal and classless, thankfully the guy's still alive!(I'm almost not exagerating...)
It was a totally deliberate move, Big Bert is low.
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Post by Rimmer on Mar 9, 2004 4:39:59 GMT -5
Moore backed down from numerous fight attempts by Nuck players. If he had fought most likely this wouldn't of happened. Hockey is a game of emotion you can't take that away. according to the NHL's official game boxscore, Moore did fight Cooke in the first period so your theory doesn't really hold. and as far as emotions go, the hit on Naslund didn't occur at last nights game but 20 days ago. that hit hasn't even been characterised as illegal by the referees or the league officials (I'm assuming the league would want to protect its stars by penalizing the those who injure them with illegal hits) so Bertuzzi's retaliation wasn't really warranted. after all, "it's a tough sport". R. |
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Post by MC Habber on Mar 9, 2004 5:26:53 GMT -5
Whether or not the hit on Naslund was illegal, what Bertuzzi did to Moore was a lot worse. As Don Taylor said, Moore was pretty classy after hitting Naslund. There is no justification for what Bertuzzi did.
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Post by Rimmer on Mar 9, 2004 5:43:35 GMT -5
Whether or not the hit on Naslund was illegal, what Bertuzzi did to Moore was a lot worse. I didn't want to imply that had the hit been legal, the Bertuzzi's act could be justified. I don't approve any kind of retaliation act unless it's in the same game and done in a fair fight or with a clean hit. R. |
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Post by Douper on Mar 9, 2004 7:21:22 GMT -5
Bertuzzi should be suspended for the rest of the regular season.
Moore's hit was "IN the heat of the game!"
Bertuzzi's hit and face plant was "pre-medatated" and one of the cheapest shots I've seen someone give since Dale Hunter put Pierre Turgeon in the boards in the 92-93 playoffs!
Sick to see someone with so much disrespect for an opponent. You can't defend this at all!
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Post by Skilly on Mar 9, 2004 8:25:45 GMT -5
- Bertuzzi should be charged with assault and, if he is convicted, he should get jail time. What? So if someone gets checked hard enough then they can charge someone with assault? Assault is the fundamental principle underlining the game! Checking is assault. The precedent is set (McSorley and Ciccerelli) ... you may laugh but the day will come when someone will pursue this avenue. The NHL has the players sign waiver clauses I would assume, so the league can not be prosecuted, and the players contracts are gaurenteed and insured for a reason ..... that reason is to prevent individual litigation. |
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Post by Yeti on Mar 9, 2004 8:39:45 GMT -5
I know what Bertuzzi will say:
I didn't intend to knock him unconscious and hence I didn't plan for him to drop head first on the ice.
And I would actually believe him.
But that's beside the point. When you start throwing cheap shots like that, the door is wide open for some serious unintended consequences. Someone will die one day whether from a skull fracture, a skate or a stick to the side of the head...
I say he should get at least the reminder of this season + the playoffs.
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Post by franko on Mar 9, 2004 10:28:18 GMT -5
I say he should get at least the reminder of this season + the playoffs. Agreed -- but he's no McSorely so he won't be dealt with as harshly. Too bad -- this is a good time to take a stand against the garbage going on. However, because he's flashy and a "quality guy" he'll only get 10. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2004 10:47:17 GMT -5
I think he should be suspended for as long as Moore is unable to play.
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Post by franko on Mar 9, 2004 12:53:03 GMT -5
Bye-bye Bertuzzi: Moore has a broken neck. That is bad all the way around. The NHL has to has to has to crack down. now
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Post by habwest on Mar 9, 2004 13:12:45 GMT -5
Like I said, charge Bertuzzi with assault. Bertuzzi has a history of violence well beyond the rules resulting in long suspensions. Obvioulsy that wasn't enough to get the message through to the guy.
If a guy had jumped somebody unsuspecting on the street, knocked him out and left him with a broken neck you can bet that guy would be charged with assault, especially if he had a history of violence like Betuzzi does. There's no room in hockey at any level for this kind of BS. Let's face it, the guy is a thug and should be treated accordingly.
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Post by habwest on Mar 9, 2004 13:16:00 GMT -5
Update- Vancouver police are looking into laying charges against Bertuzzi. Good, I hope they do it.
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Post by zenseeker on Mar 9, 2004 13:20:18 GMT -5
according to the NHL's official game boxscore, Moore did fight Cooke in the first period so your theory doesn't really hold. R. Ohh you seen the box score!! I only seen the hockey game. And yes he did fight Cooke and won. This didn't satisfy the Nuk team and numerous other players challenged him to no avail. To watch just the Bertuzzi cheap shot doesn't give one a true sense of the atmosphere during the game and frankly will lead to bias opinions formed from a lack of information. |
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Post by Rimmer on Mar 9, 2004 13:28:01 GMT -5
To watch just the Bertuzzi cheap shot doesn't give one a true sense of the atmosphere during the game and frankly will lead to bias opinions formed from a lack of information. that is true. I responded to your post because the way you put it, it sounded like he didn't fight at all. and what did you expect of Moore? to fight the whole Vancouver team? and btw, there is nothing bias in my opinion of Bertuzzi's act. R. |
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Post by habwest on Mar 9, 2004 13:28:17 GMT -5
Lemme see Zenn, your argument is that Bertuzzi beat Moore up once during the game, but that since Moore refused to fight again and since Vancouver players and fans were still yelling for blood that justifies Bertuzzi assaulting the guy from behind, knocking him cold, driving him head first into the ice and breaking his neck?
You'll forgive me if I don't quite see the logic in the argument.
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Post by zenseeker on Mar 9, 2004 13:41:52 GMT -5
First off Bertuzzi didn't fight Moore before the incident cooke did. Moore said something to Bertuzzi right before the cheap shot. I am not argueing that it was a cheap shot i am saying Moore's actions in the game and the nature of the game (blowout) created an environment where Bertuzzi like actions occur. If there was no instigator penalty May would of beat up Moore in the first game and really none of this would of occurred. Or if Moore fought another player after Cooke, it would of never occurred. If the Colorabo coach (Granato?) recognized the environment he wouldn't have had Moore out there in the second half of the third. And lastly my quote from the other post if Moore wants to live by the sword then ......
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Post by Douper on Mar 9, 2004 13:46:14 GMT -5
I don't care if the games are Fiercely fought but come on....CAn you be more tasteless:
He broke his neck, who cares what happened before he sucker punched him and slammed his face in the ice. Is that what you want your kids to see when they watch the NHL? IS that the ROLE model you want your kids... THE NHL DOES NOT NEED IDIOTS LIKE BERTUZZI !!!!!!!!!!
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Post by zenseeker on Mar 9, 2004 13:47:02 GMT -5
that is true. I responded to your post because the way you put it, it sounded like he didn't fight at all. and what did you expect of Moore? to fight the whole Vancouver team? and btw, there is nothing bias in my opinion of Bertuzzi's act. R. I don't think your opinion was biased on purpose yet it was made with a lack of information (just the cheapshot clip). About fighting the whole team i think he would have to fight until he got beat up as bad as that sounds. If he fights May and turtles i think Vancouver would have their pound of flesh and be satisfied. |
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Post by Rimmer on Mar 9, 2004 13:47:03 GMT -5
And lastly my quote from the other post if Moore wants to live by the sword then ...... I'm sorry, are you saying that Moore's hit on Naslund wasn't clean? R. |
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Post by zenseeker on Mar 9, 2004 13:52:42 GMT -5
I don't care if the games are Fiercely fought but come on....CAn you be more tasteless: He broke his neck, who cares what happened before he sucker punched him and slammed his face in the ice. Is that what you want your kids to see when they watch the NHL? IS that the ROLE model you want your kids... THE NHL DOES NOT NEED IDIOTS LIKE BERTUZZI !!!!!!!!!! Live by sword die by the sword isn't meant to be taking literally. The saying is supposed to reflect the type of game one plays and what actions one can expect in retribution for their own actions |
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Post by franko on Mar 9, 2004 13:54:14 GMT -5
Agreed -- but he's no McSorely so he won't be dealt with as harshly. Too bad -- this is a good time to take a stand against the garbage going on. However, because he's flashy and a "quality guy" he'll only get 10.
I retract this. Broken neck or cracked vertabrae doesn't matter -- Steve Moore's career may be over. This serious attack cannot go unpunished, and must be dealt with quickly and harshly. Bertuzzi has to be gone a long long time. It will hurt the 'Nucks, but it has to.
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Post by zenseeker on Mar 9, 2004 13:54:26 GMT -5
I'm sorry, are you saying that Moore's hit on Naslund wasn't clean? R. Actually i thought it was fairly clean, yet he knew when he hit Naslund he was going to hurt him |
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Post by Rimmer on Mar 9, 2004 13:54:28 GMT -5
I don't think your opinion was biased on purpose yet it was made with a lack of information (just the cheapshot clip). do I need anything more? unless you're telling me that Moore did in that game something as bad or worse than Bertuzzi cheapshot, then I think I have enough information to form an unbiased opinion of the whole act. cheapshots are cheapshots, no matter what provoked them. actually, I think I would sooner characterize this as a brutal assault than a cheapshot. R. |
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Post by Douper on Mar 9, 2004 13:54:51 GMT -5
I know you didn't mean it litterally, sorry if it appeared that way. I just think that no matter how a player plays no one deserves to be treated with so much disrespect.
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Post by zenseeker on Mar 9, 2004 14:04:38 GMT -5
The cheap shot itself why would Moore argue then turn his back on a mean guy like Bertuzzi. Doesn't seem very smart to piss him off and skate away. Why not make a stand and face him? Moore didn't deserve what he got but he could of stopped it from happening if he took a stand and fought. Fighting Bertuzzi would have been alot better than what happened. Again i think Granato shouldn't of had him out there in the second half of the third period.
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Post by Rimmer on Mar 9, 2004 14:05:08 GMT -5
Actually i thought it was fairly clean, yet he knew when he hit Naslund he was going to hurt him and as I said, I would have no problem if the Canucks responded in the same manner, i.e. within the rules of the game and common decency (a fair fight or a clean hit). and as you said, this is a physical game so I don't see why a clean hit on a player, be it Naslund or someone else, should provoke that kind of retaliation. and I don't think that emotions should be used as an excuse because, IMO, it was clearly a retaliation for Moore's hit on Naslund 20 days ago instead for something he did in that game. R. |
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Post by zenseeker on Mar 9, 2004 14:13:00 GMT -5
and as I said, I would have no problem if the Canucks responded in the same manner, i.e. within the rules of the game and common decency (a fair fight or a clean hit). Moore's hit though fairly clean did not have decency. Naslund's head was down and he was reaching Moore came in with alot of speed and has played hockey long enough to know the hit was going to hurt him. Which i am fine with but don't be suprised when the opposing team wants a pound of your flesh. |
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Post by zenseeker on Mar 9, 2004 14:18:19 GMT -5
what you want your kids to see when they watch the NHL? IS that the ROLE model you want your kids... There are always going to be bad people. I hope my kids will learn you can't run away from your problems, and sometimes you just have to stand and fight. So no i wouldn't want Moore as a role model for my kids. |
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