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Post by Montrealer on Mar 11, 2004 10:29:35 GMT -5
I vote for 1 year. Oops, the option is not there.
Oh well.
Doesn't much matter, he got the rest of the 2003-04 season, including playoffs.
Plus a fine of $250,000.
Plus a review by Bettman before next season, ie if Moore doesn't look like he'll play again maybe Bertuzzi sits the hell down for a while longer.
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Post by habwest on Mar 11, 2004 16:33:18 GMT -5
I voted for a lifetime suspension. The guy who ended Baumgartner's career with a sucker punch got 10 games- 10 games for screwing a guy's entire life up!
McSorley got rest of season + one year for what he did.
Hunter got 21 games for his hit on someone. And the list goes on.
Obviously the message is not getting across. A lifetime ban might just be a start in the right direction, the new standard if you will from which all other incidents could be measured.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2004 16:47:59 GMT -5
Obviously the message is not getting across. A lifetime ban might just be a start in the right direction, the new standard if you will from which all other incidents could be measured. Since this is a freak accident which happens on rare occasions, I don't think a lifetime ban is warrented. One year should be the most to get the player to realize and regreat what he has done. |
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Post by franko on Mar 11, 2004 18:39:27 GMT -5
Punishment should also be a deterent for others. Unfortunately, no matter how long it would be (a year to life) others are still going to be boneheads. What is it -- every 4 years?
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Mar 11, 2004 20:56:32 GMT -5
20 games for assault and 20 games for the severity of the injury, sentences to run concurrently.
If the freak injury didn't turn out to be this serious it would have ended with a game misconduct for instigator and fighting.
Bertuzzi is being punished because of the injury, not the action.
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Post by habwest on Mar 12, 2004 5:25:16 GMT -5
Oh, I see, now we're explaining it away as a "freak accident", kind of like a tornado or something. Couldn't have been prevented and all that.
Jeez guys, I'm not buying. If you want to buy into the NHL's propaganda feel free but don't ask the rest of us to buy into it.
And I know I'm supposesd to be nice and all that, but I think that kind of thinking is part of the problem. What's the excuse going to be when a Bertuzzi like incident kills somebody? Awww, it was a freak accident so we'll only give him 40 games?
Well maybe if it happened to your son you might not feel so sanguine. Yea your boy, the apple of your eye was only worth 40 games....
This argument is so incredibly blinkered I can't believe that I'm hearing it.
Oh well, each to their own. Cheers.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 12, 2004 17:01:08 GMT -5
Oh, I see, now we're explaining it away as a "freak accident", kind of like a tornado or something. Couldn't have been prevented and all that. Jeez guys, I'm not buying. If you want to buy into the NHL's propaganda feel free but don't ask the rest of us to buy into it. And I know I'm supposesd to be nice and all that, but I think that kind of thinking is part of the problem. What's the excuse going to be when a Bertuzzi like incident kills somebody? Awww, it was a freak accident so we'll only give him 40 games? Well maybe if it happened to your son you might not feel so sanguine. Yea your boy, the apple of your eye was only worth 40 games.... This argument is so incredibly blinkered I can't believe that I'm hearing it. Oh well, each to their own. Cheers. If I was in the stands when Sundin threw his stick and it landed next to my little daughter I would have went down on the ice nyself and clobbered the ^%$#@! But the "freak accident" there did not result in anyting but it could have poked a youngsters eye out or worse went into someone's chest. So don't dismiss that the result of the action is the reason for this punishment .... because the worse such act resulted in Beukeboom retiring and the instigator only got 21 games .... and Sundin only got 1 game. How many would he have gotten if it hit someone and they sued the NHL. Your d@mn skippy he would have gotten more than 1 game. Sundin's act would kill someone more times than Bertuzzi's. |
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Post by Montrealer on Mar 12, 2004 17:56:07 GMT -5
How many would he have gotten if it hit someone and they sued the NHL. Your d@mn skippy he would have gotten more than 1 game. Sundin's act would kill someone more times than Bertuzzi's. No it wouldn't. How do I know? Pieces of baseball bats (chock full o' splinters!) land in the seats all the time. I can't believe how much bulls*** is coming out of people in regards to this. And yes, of course the result of the action determines the penalty. IF SOMEONE SPEEDS, THEY GET A TICKET. IF THE SPEEDING OF THE CAR CAUSES DEATH, THEY GO TO PRISON. THIS IS NOT A NEW INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW. IF YOU SHOOT A GUN IN YOUR HOME FOR NO REASON, YOU MAY SPEND THE NIGHT IN JAIL. IF YOU SHOOT A GUN AND BY ACCIDENT (OOPS) HIT SOMEONE OUTSIDE AND KILL HIM, SEE YA IN TWENTY YEARS. DO YOU NEED MORE EXAMPLES? AM I TALKING LOUD ENOUGH FOR YOU TO HEAR ME YET? HELLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 13, 2004 14:31:07 GMT -5
No it wouldn't. How do I know? Pieces of baseball bats (chock full o' splinters!) land in the seats all the time. I can't believe how much bulls*** is coming out of people in regards to this. And yes, of course the result of the action determines the penalty. IF SOMEONE SPEEDS, THEY GET A TICKET. IF THE SPEEDING OF THE CAR CAUSES DEATH, THEY GO TO PRISON. THIS IS NOT A NEW INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW. IF YOU SHOOT A GUN IN YOUR HOME FOR NO REASON, YOU MAY SPEND THE NIGHT IN JAIL. IF YOU SHOOT A GUN AND BY ACCIDENT (OOPS) HIT SOMEONE OUTSIDE AND KILL HIM, SEE YA IN TWENTY YEARS. DO YOU NEED MORE EXAMPLES? AM I TALKING LOUD ENOUGH FOR YOU TO HEAR ME YET? HELLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO This is sports. If you want to clean up the sport you aren't going to do it by levying a year for some freak thing every time it happens. Cause it only happens every 5 years or so. To truly clean the sport up you need to penalize the ACT itself. If statistics show that every 1 in 1000 times someone cross checks someone into the boards they break their neck .... what is the deterent?? So 999 times I am safe and will only get 1-2 games!! Come on! But if they gave everyone 30 games+ every time they cross checked someone into the boards form behind then it is automatic .... there is no statistic because you will get the book thrown at you every time. There is a better deterent and then if someone breaks their neck the year suspension makes sense. But giving one guy a game and another guy a year for the same act is not a deterent. |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 13, 2004 14:32:48 GMT -5
How do I know? Pieces of baseball bats (chock full o' splinters!) land in the seats all the time. Err Yooo Hoo ..... by the way Sundin's stick was metal. Composite Synergy. I suppose you have seen scraps of metal flying around baseball parks too? |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Mar 13, 2004 15:22:19 GMT -5
This is sports. If you want to clean up the sport you aren't going to do it by levying a year for some freak thing every time it happens. Cause it only happens every 5 years or so. To truly clean the sport up you need to penalize the ACT itself. If statistics show that every 1 in 1000 times someone cross checks someone into the boards they break their neck .... what is the deterent?? So 999 times I am safe and will only get 1-2 games!! Come on! But if they gave everyone 30 games+ every time they cross checked someone into the boards form behind then it is automatic .... there is no statistic because you will get the book thrown at you every time. There is a better deterent and then if someone breaks their neck the year suspension makes sense. But giving one guy a game and another guy a year for the same act is not a deterent. Here's the difinitive response. No-contact hockey. No checking. Infact lets just have ringette so there are no pucks. In twenty years we'll outlaw ringette too and just have figureskating. Then the only thing we'll talk about is the French judge voting for the Russian skaters. No matter where the line is drawn, half the population wants it higher and half want it lower. Bertuzzi's punch would be considered gentle in the Colleseum of Rome where gladiators used swords. Bertuzzi would be considered too gentle by Osama bin Laden. By todays standards (the only ones we can use, as unclear as they are) Bertuzzi used excessive unwaranted force from behind on an unsuspecting player. 20 games. The result was an accidental injury from a deliberate punch and landing. Do not pass GO, do not go to Jail. |
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Post by Montrealer on Mar 13, 2004 16:06:55 GMT -5
Err Yooo Hoo ..... by the way Sundin's stick was metal. Composite Synergy. I suppose you have seen scraps of metal flying around baseball parks too? 455 grams. You're right, it'll absolutely kill people. |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 14, 2004 11:59:45 GMT -5
455 grams. You're right, it'll absolutely kill people. You may laugh ..... but didn't your mother ever tell you : "It all fun and games until someone loses an eye!" |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 15, 2004 1:57:31 GMT -5
Skilly, I'm with you on the big fines. On anything that should be eliminated....such as high sticking. Get rid of careless stick work and lots of good things will happen.
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