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Post by Boston_Habs on Mar 2, 2006 10:26:11 GMT -5
I think his name has been floated before but apparently he is on the trading block in Florida - he will be a UFA next year and Keenan seems to think he'll be gone. He could probably be acquired for a combination of picks and prospects given his status.
Bob Mckenzie was saying that Ottawa is primed to trade for him but what about us? Jokinen would add some size and skill to the C position and may be inclined to join Finnish team captain Saku Koivu in Montreal.
It's almost like the Kovalev trade where we would be trading a prospect/pick with no guarantee that we would be able to sign him to a long term deal. I suppose the problem would be that tying up $4-5MM for Jokinen would preclude us from going after a big name dman, which is probably the larger priority.
Still, Jokinen is having a good year, he's still young, he's got size, leadership... I'd be tempted to deal a prospect like Plekanec or Perezhogin (throw in Ribs as well) and give him the hard sell to sign in MTL.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Mar 2, 2006 10:41:39 GMT -5
I would be willing to do it too (depending on who we're giving up).
The only problem is that there's going to be a huge bidding war for Jokinen's services. The ante may go up and I'm not sure that the Habs would be able to compete with teams like Ottawa.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Mar 2, 2006 10:55:34 GMT -5
For Ottawa a trade for Joiknen only makes sense if they don't have to part with their better players - they don't want to subtract too much from a Stanley Cup run to add Jokinen. Other teams will be interested as well but there is a limit to how much teams will give up for a pending UFA. Unless someone does something stupid, Jokinen should be had for a combination of picks, prospects and lesser players. I see no reason why we couldn't be competitive, or at least as competitive as Ottawa. Are their prospects better than ours? Obviously, Jokinen is worth more to Ottawa in the short term than he is to Montreal so they would be more likely than us to overpay.
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 2, 2006 11:02:31 GMT -5
I’d be tempted to go for Jokinen as well, he’d be a perfect fit here, but I suspect it will cost a lot more than $4-5 million to resign him. He’s already turned down 4 years, $16 million, so that should give you a good idea where his head is at.
He’s only 27, just coming into his prime, having a career year… He’s exactly the type of new free agent that is going to dominate off-seasons from here on in. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if he got a Lecavalier-like $6 million +.
According to Bob Mackenzie, Ottawa will offer up picks, and only picks to get Jokinen.
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Post by Polarice on Mar 2, 2006 11:30:44 GMT -5
I'd make a play for him too. I would gladly give up a prospect like Higgins or Kosty for Olli.
Once he gets a taste of playing in Montreal, he'll sign with us in a heartbeat. Just like Kovy.
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Post by habfan74 on Mar 2, 2006 11:50:22 GMT -5
I would wait until he's an UFA this summer then get saku to convince him to sign with the Habs.
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Post by duster on Mar 2, 2006 14:31:20 GMT -5
Jokinen would be a nice addition. RDS said last night that he (or his agent) was looking for $6 million a season.
He'll be going to the highest bidder and that won't be Gainey.
Pass...
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Post by Doc Holliday on Mar 2, 2006 16:35:35 GMT -5
He'll be going to the highest bidder and that won't be Gainey. Pass... I agree that he's probably too expensive for us to sign in the off season but wouldn't it be worth the try to land him as a rental for this season? Most playoffs teams in search of a guy like Jokkinen to finish the season won't offer much in terms in roster player while we could offer a guy like Ribs who can certainly help to ease the pain of losing Jokkinen a bit (at least more than just a pick would)... Then in the off season, what if by some miracle we're able to move Theo ? That would create some cap room for Jokkinen no? |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Mar 3, 2006 9:12:04 GMT -5
He'll be going to the highest bidder and that won't be Gainey. Pass... I agree that he's probably too expensive for us to sign in the off season but wouldn't it be worth the try to land him as a rental for this season? Most playoffs teams in search of a guy like Jokkinen to finish the season won't offer much in terms in roster player while we could offer a guy like Ribs who can certainly help to ease the pain of losing Jokkinen a bit (at least more than just a pick would)... Then in the off season, what if by some miracle we're able to move Theo ? That would create some cap room for Jokkinen no? Makes sense. Ottawa wants him badly but they don't want to give up an important player from the roster. Montreal is in a position to give up a player like Bulis or Ribeiro along with a prospect and hope that a surprise playoff run plus the atmosphere in Montreal would be enough to sell Jokinen long term. The problem would be Theo's contract. It makes no sense to trade for Jokinen if we're not prepared to pay him long term. But if we end up with Jokinen and Theodore then I would say we are pretty much maxed out with no flexibility to add another defenseman. Still, I would be inclined to make a move like this, especially with Komisarek improving daily. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 3, 2006 10:37:27 GMT -5
Jokinen's name has come up several times in recent months. Ottawa might have more assets to entice Florida but if, as BC suggests, the Sens are only willing to give up picks then Jokinen might be staying where he is.
Ottawa's not stupid. They don't want to disrupt team chemistry by moving players around at this stage. But, if I'm Florida I'd want not only players in return, but either proven players or youngsters with loads of upside, or a combination thereof.
If the Habs were to be serious about Jokinen then the might be talking players like Zednik, Bulis, Ribeiro or prospects like Perezhogin, Higgins, Pleks. I'm not saying these players specifically, but this is what we'd be looking at. And, if picks came into the mesh then Gainey would have to consider that as well.
The thing is, while the Sens have a more desirable lineup, I feel Montreal could send players to Florida a lot easier. The Sens chemistry seems to be dependent on who they have in the lineup at any given time. However, our chemistry seems to be fleeting at times so I don't think it would be all that much an adjustment. Or, at least an easier adjustment than it would be for the Sens.
Cheers.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Mar 3, 2006 14:37:58 GMT -5
If Ottawa is not willing to part with roster players, then it does seem as though Montreal has the upper hand. But we have to consider that there are 27 other teams who would also want Jokinen's services. From Florida's perspective, as Doc mentioned, getting an NHL player like Ribs would be more appealing than getting a draft pick. The trade deadline is less than a week away. Rumours are just going to keep heating up.  |
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Post by TheHabsfan on Mar 3, 2006 15:08:16 GMT -5
I'd make a play for him too. I would gladly give up a prospect like Higgins or Kosty for Olli. Once he gets a taste of playing in Montreal, he'll sign with us in a heartbeat. Just like Kovy. No way, no how would I give up Higgins for a UFA...still not sold on Kosty, but I'd be careful with him too. Higgins, is a very solid player, a lifelong habs fan who should be a very important part of a championship team. Higgins is Off-limits IMHO. THF |
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Post by franko on Mar 3, 2006 16:00:31 GMT -5
If Ottawa is not willing to part with roster players, then it does seem as though Montreal has the upper hand. But we have to consider that there are 27 other teams who would also want Jokinen's services. From Florida's perspective, as Doc mentioned, getting an NHL player like Ribs would be more appealing than getting a draft pick. The trade deadline is less than a week away. Rumours are just going to keep heating up. I give you Steve Martins, Christoph Schubert, Vaclav Varada, Antoine Vermette, and Anton Volchenkov as Sens "roster players" that might be moved. Nothing big . . . just a bit of a tweak . . . especially the "V's". Muckler saying Even though Ottawa feels this may be its best chance to make a run at the Stanley Cup, Muckler insists it won't come at the cost of the Senators' longer-term future. That said, he doesn't place as big an emphasis on draft picks as in the past.
"We're not going to trade any blue-chip prospect or players we have on our team," he said. "I wouldn't be reluctant to trade our first-round draft choice. But what's a first-rounder in this year's draft? He also thinks opposing GMs are still asking for too much, although he expects that to change in the next few days. and says I wouldn't hesitate bringing a guy in like that [Jokinen]on a short-term basis as a rental. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2006 16:04:40 GMT -5
Perezhogin, Kostitsyn and especially Higgins should be untouchable. We don't even know how good any of them would be. Throwing any of them away for a rental is a move that Bobby Clarke or Mike Milbury would do, not Bob Gainey.
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Post by franko on Mar 3, 2006 16:10:08 GMT -5
Perezhogin, Kostitsyn and especially Higgins should be untouchable. We don't even know how good any of them would be. Throwing any of them away for a rental is a move that Bobby Clarke or Mike Milbury would do, not Bob Gainey. Kosty. Maybe. Just . . . maybe. |
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Post by Forum Ghost on Mar 3, 2006 16:57:41 GMT -5
No way, no how would I give up Higgins for a UFA...still not sold on Kosty, but I'd be careful with him too. Higgins, is a very solid player, a lifelong habs fan who should be a very important part of a championship team. Higgins is Off-limits IMHO. I wouldn't want to give up Higgins either. He's a Hab at heart and he's the kind of player championship teams need. He's a Gainey/Carbonneau type player so I would be very surprised if Bob decides to move him. |
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Post by IamCanadiens on Mar 3, 2006 17:28:46 GMT -5
I give you Steve Martins, Christoph Schubert, Vaclav Varada, Antoine Vermette, and Anton Volchenkov as Sens "roster players" that might be moved. Nothing big . . . just a bit of a tweak . . . especially the "V's". I can't see Volchenkov moving. I'd say he's part of the Sens long term plans |
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Post by Habit on Mar 3, 2006 17:33:09 GMT -5
Would you give up Corey Locke? Is Locke this years Balej?
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Post by franko on Mar 3, 2006 17:41:18 GMT -5
Would you give up Corey Locke? Is Locke this years Balej? How DARE you! (back me up, HFLA). yes |
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Post by franko on Mar 3, 2006 17:48:00 GMT -5
I give you Steve Martins, Christoph Schubert, Vaclav Varada, Antoine Vermette, and Anton Volchenkov as Sens "roster players" that might be moved. Nothing big . . . just a bit of a tweak . . . especially the "V's". I can't see Volchenkov moving. I'd say he's part of the Sens long term plans I guess. Especially if they don't sign both big UFAs in the summer -- they'll rely on him. But Meszaros sure moved up the depth chart in a hurry. Thing is, as I look over the roster there are really no middlin' Sens -- either top-line or muckers, and nothing that Mike would really think worthy of Jokinen. Havlat coming back is going to make someone expendable, but again, not a top-liner. |
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Post by HFTO on Mar 3, 2006 17:52:20 GMT -5
The Habs aren't giving up any youth period.
Locke maybe the only exception because of his size and position.
The Habs IMO aren't in the Oli sweepstakes with Theo,Kovy and Koviu taking up almost 15 mill how are we going to afford a player demanding 6 million who isn't worth that much.
The Habs have a big enough burden as do many of the the teams, once guys who no question are good start pushing the envelope of there worthiness ala Jokinnen and I'm sure McCabe teams who bite find them selves in trouble,much like we will be if Theo never returns to form.
The age of the older player is soon to be extinct and when you sign a prime time player he has to be worth every penny and more and deliver the goods for the whole extent of his contract.
The new NHL ain't pretty or easy to piece together anymore.
HFTO
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Post by franko on Mar 3, 2006 19:54:07 GMT -5
The Habs IMO aren't in the Oli sweepstakes with Theo,Kovy and Koviu taking up almost 15 mill how are we going to afford a player demanding 6 million who isn't worth that much. HFTO Ah, but if it is a rental player who might get them another home game or so and make Gorgeous George a few more pesos it might be done. And if the powers that be decide (or have decided) that Mr. Locke has no future with the Habs (along with, say Dags and ? ? ?) . . . well, who's to say what deals might be made? But I'm not sure Olli's going anywhere unless there is an offer that grabs Mike by the . . . |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 3, 2006 19:57:40 GMT -5
I'd bet if Jokinen does become available to Montreal then so would Ryder. Just a thought.
Cheers.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Mar 3, 2006 20:14:37 GMT -5
I give you Steve Martins, Christoph Schubert, Vaclav Varada, Antoine Vermette, and Anton Volchenkov as Sens "roster players" that might be moved. Nothing big . . . just a bit of a tweak . . . especially the "V's". I can't see Volchenkov moving. I'd say he's part of the Sens long term plans I'm not sure the Sens would want to move Vermette either. But you never know. I guess you have to give to get. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 4, 2006 11:39:05 GMT -5
Mad Mike is going to demand a pretty return for his player and any CONTENDING team may be willing to part with some serious prospects.
As for us acquiring him.....WHY? Are we contenders? Seriously? Cause I didn't ge the memo.
If he is NOT going to sign for a reasonable amount then what is the reason? If Bob gives up Higgins or Kotsy JUST TO GO AN EXTRA PLAYOFF ROUND then St. Bob is butt licking yes man.
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Post by Cranky on Mar 4, 2006 11:41:05 GMT -5
I'd make a play for him too. I would gladly give up a prospect like Higgins or Kosty for Olli. Once he gets a taste of playing in Montreal, he'll sign with us in a heartbeat. Just like Kovy. No way, no how would I give up Higgins for a UFA...still not sold on Kosty, but I'd be careful with him too. Higgins, is a very solid player, a lifelong habs fan who should be a very important part of a championship team. Higgins is Off-limits IMHO. THF I couldn't of said it better myself......... |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 5, 2006 17:45:40 GMT -5
Well, let the lowballing begin me thinks. I just read Bob MacKenzie's piece that cites Jokinen turned down a 4-year, 16-million contract from the Panthers.
I think adding this to the possibility of not being able to re-sign Jokinene will cause opposing GMs to lowball any offers for him. The last time this happened we ended up with Kovalev for Balej (and a pick was it, or just Josef).
You know what though? If it means throwing Kots into the mix I'd say go for it. Depending how well the Habs do in the playoffs and knowing there is additional cap room next year, might entice Jokinen to re-sign with the club.
Fun to speculate anyway.
Cheers.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Mar 6, 2006 12:44:32 GMT -5
The last time this happened we ended up with Kovalev for Balej (and a pick was it, or just Josef). Balej and a 3rd rd. pick. Although, Kovalev wasn't as highly sought after as Jokinen is, so maybe the Habs won't be able to get away with a lowball offer. But who knows, strange things happen on trade deadline day. I wouldn't want to deal Kostitsyn for Jokinen. Any of the Habs' top young players should be off limits. That includes Kostitsyn, Higgins, Perezhogin and Plekanec. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Mar 6, 2006 13:01:12 GMT -5
I wouldn't want to deal Kostitsyn for Jokinen. Any of the Habs' top young players should be off limits. That includes Kostitsyn, Higgins, Perezhogin and Plekanec. Well, despite all the high cries when it happenned Gainey propelled this team forward by dealing a promising prospect for Kovalev. This not only gave us a real good playoff round or 2 but it ultimately convinced Kovalev to come back. I don't think this team is as bad as some made it out to be when things weren't clicking (or when our goalie couldn't stop a beach ball) but just as well we're not as good as some now think because of our recent successes. There is still plenty of room for improvements and dealing quality prospects like Perezhogin, Kostsysin, Plekanec and even Higgins should not be out of the question if the return can make the team better. Of course, like many, I'd rather we deal Zednik, Sundstrom, Bulis and other less interesting assets but you got to give to get... |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 6, 2006 13:23:37 GMT -5
I wouldn't want to deal Kostitsyn for Jokinen. Any of the Habs' top young players should be off limits. That includes Kostitsyn, Higgins, Perezhogin and Plekanec. Well, despite all the high cries when it happenned Gainey propelled this team forward by dealing a promising prospect for Kovalev. This not only gave us a real good playoff round or 2 but it ultimately convinced Kovalev to come back. I don't think this team is as bad as some made it out to be when things weren't clicking (or when our goalie couldn't stop a beach ball) but just as well we're not as good as some now think because of our recent successes. There is still plenty of room for improvements and dealing quality prospects like Perezhogin, Kostsysin, Plekanec and even Higgins should not be out of the question if the return can make the team better. Of course, like many, I'd rather we deal Zednik, Sundstrom, Bulis and other less interesting assets but you got to give to get... Well, boys, we have ask, is this edition of the Habs good enough to win the Cup if deals are done? Honestly we can post all the "scoops" we want (it's that time of year anyway) but ultimately can the Habs go all the way by plugging a few holes? Cheers. |
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