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Post by Doc Holliday on Dec 3, 2007 12:59:19 GMT -5
but I don't think those are going to do it. I would not be keen on giving up Komi or Higgins. ...the guys you don't want to give are most likely the guys you'll have to part with when dealing for the best player in the league. Tampa should be looking for a Lindros type deal for Lecavalier and I can bet that if you want to be in the dance you'll not only have to put on the table guys like Price, Komi and Higgins but you'll most certainly have to give a combination of them. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 3, 2007 13:06:54 GMT -5
These two would definitely be part of the equation, Doc. Cheers. |
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Post by Douper on Dec 3, 2007 13:53:11 GMT -5
If we go for Vinny it will cost us ATLEAST these guys:
1. Halak
2. Komisarek (hate this part)
3. McDonaugh or Fisher
4. Sergei Kastitsin
5. Ryder (salary)
6. Bouillon (salary)
6. 1st Rnd Pick
Vinny is the leading scorer in the NHL.... Every time I hear rumors of him coming to MTL I just go GOUGOU!
Anyone except Price for LeCavalier
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Post by Skilly on Dec 3, 2007 14:01:33 GMT -5
If we go for Vinny it will cost us ATLEAST these guys: 1. Halak 2. Komisarek (hate this part) 3. McDonaugh or Fisher 4. Sergei Kastitsin 5. Ryder (salary) 6. Bouillon (salary) 6. 1st Rnd Pick Vinny is the leading scorer in the NHL.... Every time I hear rumors of him coming to MTL I just go GOUGOU! Anyone except Price for LeCavalier I don't think it will cost those guys ... Feaster says he has been told to cut payroll. So why would they want to take back 7 million dollars? They'll want a solid NHL young gun (Higgins or Komi), Halak, a bluechips prospect, and a first rounder. |
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Post by Douper on Dec 3, 2007 14:07:27 GMT -5
I didn't calculate anything, I just thru names there so it would be close more for us than them.
I think it'll cost us atleast a couple of prospects, a goalie and a couple NHL ready players plus the 1st.
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Post by BadCompany on Dec 3, 2007 14:32:41 GMT -5
If we go for Vinny it will cost us ATLEAST these guys: 1. Halak 2. Komisarek (hate this part) 3. McDonaugh or Fisher 4. Sergei Kastitsin 5. Ryder (salary) 6. Bouillon (salary) 6. 1st Rnd Pick Vinny is the leading scorer in the NHL.... Every time I hear rumors of him coming to MTL I just go GOUGOU! Anyone except Price for LeCavalier And if I'm Jay Feester, I say "Price and a 1st, take it or leave it, work out your own d*mn salary cap issues." If you take out Price there is nothing on your list that he couldn't get from about 20 other NHL teams, especially if he's taking back salary. And if that's his best offer, he'll send one of his big three out West, so he doesn't have to deal with him on regular basis... Personally, IF Tampa is going to deal anyone (and they've blustered before about breaking up the Big Three) I could see San Jose being a serious bidder. They have enough salary cap room that they can take on one of those without sending anybody of significance back, they are close enough to being a contender that they can get somebody to waive a no-trade clause, and they're blessed with being in one of the nicest NHL cities to live and play in. Setogouchi, Logan Couture, Ty Wishart and a 1st for Richards? |
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Post by Douper on Dec 3, 2007 14:39:49 GMT -5
I guess it all depends what you think of Price. I wouldn't want to deal him.
As I look at my list I see what you mean. "Pas fort" but I think it's as close to the best package we can offer without Price.... which is sad.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Dec 3, 2007 14:46:09 GMT -5
Are you kidding me? I would deal Price for Lecavalier in a heartbeat.
Hockey doesn't compile the stats like baseball, but one of the best baseball stats (courtsey of Baseball Prospectus) is VORP - Value Over Replacement Player. It compares the performance of each player at every position and compares that to an average performance at an average salary. There are lots of calculations that go into it, but it's basically the concept of marginal utility.
The reality is the marginal utility, or VORP< of a franchise forward talent is higher than that of a franchise goalie - assuming you believe Price is in that category. There are more good goalies in the NHL, and you can find them later in the draft, than franchise forwards who can only be found at the top of the draft.
If all it took was Price, a 1st and some salary filller then that would be great. Unfortunately, I think Tampa would want more than that.
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Post by Douper on Dec 3, 2007 14:55:39 GMT -5
That's where I am not sure. If Price turns into Brodeur, Roy caliber, not sure if it's such a steal.
Let's just say we trade Price to TB for Lecavalier and then Huet gets hurt. Do you think we end up in a reverse situation of the Lighting? Do you think the Experts will be saying that we'd be looking for a goalie in the offseason because our goalies aren't getting it done? Just like the Lightning are saying now. No Bullin, no cup.
I would love to get Vinny. He would be awesome. I just don't trust Huet's durability in a long playoff run (if we'd make it even with Vinny.)
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 3, 2007 14:59:15 GMT -5
If we go for Vinny it will cost us ATLEAST these guys: 1. Halak 2. Komisarek (hate this part) 3. McDonaugh or Fisher 4. Sergei Kastitsin 5. Ryder (salary) 6. Bouillon (salary) 6. 1st Rnd Pick Vinny is the leading scorer in the NHL.... Every time I hear rumors of him coming to MTL I just go GOUGOU! Anyone except Price for LeCavalier And if I'm Jay Feester, I say "Price and a 1st, take it or leave it, work out your own d*mn salary cap issues." Well, if that were the cost and we had a buyer for Huet ... I'm serious actually. Our tandem would be Halak and that-other-guy-who-was-the-best-of-our-goaltenders-in-training-camp ... oh yeah, right ... Yann Danis. If Huet were moved for an enforcer in addition to an up-and-coming power forward like say, Steve Bernier, I think we'd be on our way from there. Just ask Rivet I guess. I don't know ... I think of the Scott Gomez scenario and I get kind of leery. Granted, Richards is much more of an impact player than Gomez, but is this what he is actually worth or is it what it will take to get him? One side of me says that it's too much for Richards. However, the other side tells me that this is the way to land him or anyone else you're targeting. Cheers. |
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Post by Marvin on Dec 3, 2007 15:07:44 GMT -5
I know it's nice to dream, but you guys need to give it a rest. Lecavalier is never coming to the Habs. Enough please!
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Post by Douper on Dec 3, 2007 15:19:44 GMT -5
So whenever his name pops up in a thread we should just add *dream at the end as sort of a disclaimer for those who don't want to discuss it lol!!!!
I heard somewhere it's healthy to discuss dreams
LET US DREAM MARVIN LET US DREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by jkr on Dec 3, 2007 16:13:19 GMT -5
I know it's nice to dream, but you guys need to give it a rest. Lecavalier is never coming to the Habs. Enough please! Maybe Marvin but his contract expires at the end of next season - in 2009. At that point he will be 29. I know he passed over UFA status once to sign long term. If he does that again then I will give up.  |
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Post by jkr on Dec 3, 2007 16:22:05 GMT -5
If we go for Vinny it will cost us ATLEAST these guys: 1. Halak 2. Komisarek (hate this part) 3. McDonaugh or Fisher 4. Sergei Kastitsin 5. Ryder (salary) 6. Bouillon (salary) 6. 1st Rnd Pick Vinny is the leading scorer in the NHL.... Every time I hear rumors of him coming to MTL I just go GOUGOU! Anyone except Price for LeCavalier And if I'm Jay Feester, I say "Price and a 1st, take it or leave it, work out your own d*mn salary cap issues." If you take out Price there is nothing on your list that he couldn't get from about 20 other NHL teams, especially if he's taking back salary. And if that's his best offer, he'll send one of his big three out West, so he doesn't have to deal with him on regular basis... Personally, IF Tampa is going to deal anyone (and they've blustered before about breaking up the Big Three) I could see San Jose being a serious bidder. They have enough salary cap room that they can take on one of those without sending anybody of significance back, they are close enough to being a contender that they can get somebody to waive a no-trade clause, and they're blessed with being in one of the nicest NHL cities to live and play in. Setogouchi, Logan Couture, Ty Wishart and a 1st for Richards? I don't follow a lot of junior hockey BC but if I was a Lightning fan & Feaster traded the best player in the league for a guy with a dozen games of NHL experience & what amounts to 3 prospects I would be looking for the remote so I could tune out their games permanently. When Wilson acquired Thornton he gave up 3 rosters players (Sturm, Primeau, Stuart). He'll have to do at least as much to get Lecavalier. |
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Post by Andrew on Dec 3, 2007 16:27:01 GMT -5
The other consideration in acquiring Vinny is that he's a season and two-thirds away from being UFA.
If we lose him for nothing at the end of 2008, having not won a cup with him in the lineup, it would sure sting - especially if Price goes on to haunt us as an elite goaltender for the next 15 years.
I'd say the chances of us landing Vinny without giving up Price are non existent. They only way that I do that deal is if Gainey is allowed to negotiate a 3 year (minimum) extension prior to the trade.
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Post by Skilly on Dec 4, 2007 7:28:18 GMT -5
If we go for Vinny it will cost us ATLEAST these guys: 1. Halak 2. Komisarek (hate this part) 3. McDonaugh or Fisher 4. Sergei Kastitsin 5. Ryder (salary) 6. Bouillon (salary) 6. 1st Rnd Pick Vinny is the leading scorer in the NHL.... Every time I hear rumors of him coming to MTL I just go GOUGOU! Anyone except Price for LeCavalier And if I'm Jay Feester, I say "Price and a 1st, take it or leave it, work out your own d*mn salary cap issues." If you take out Price there is nothing on your list that he couldn't get from about 20 other NHL teams, especially if he's taking back salary. And if that's his best offer, he'll send one of his big three out West, so he doesn't have to deal with him on regular basis... Personally, IF Tampa is going to deal anyone (and they've blustered before about breaking up the Big Three) I could see San Jose being a serious bidder. They have enough salary cap room that they can take on one of those without sending anybody of significance back, they are close enough to being a contender that they can get somebody to waive a no-trade clause, and they're blessed with being in one of the nicest NHL cities to live and play in. Setogouchi, Logan Couture, Ty Wishart and a 1st for Richards? That's alot to give up for a rental .... If San jose did that, they be able to squeeze under the cap this year, but next year they'd have 46 million committed to just 11 players. Some one (Thornton, Richards, Marleau, Nabokov = 26.142 million) would have to go |
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 8, 2008 10:01:18 GMT -5
Standin' in the phone booth and I'm
not sure what time it is but I don't think it really matters.
It's been a while since I talked to him.
I hold my breath as the telephone starts to ring.
Will he say; "How are 'ya? How 'ya been?"
And when I ask if we can get together . . . what will he say?
What will he say?
Finally a familiar hello.
My hand tightens around the telephone.
"It's been a while my little darlin'.
I hope you're doin' well.
I hope we're still friends."
We talked for a while 'till he said;
"I gotta go.
There's someone waitin' for me.
I had to let you know."
Maybe the next time
love will make it's way through.
Maybe the next time
old hearts will turn new.
Well SOMEBODY had to bring Lecavalier back into the mix...
Where do we stand now, vis-a-vis Price and a 1st for Lecavalier?
Or, how about Ryder (for salary cap purposes) and any four players not currently on the NHL roster. Halak, Chipchura, O’Byrne, Emelin, Grabovsky, Valentenko, McDonagh, Pacioretty, Fischer… any four prospects they want. No untouchables. And future considerations, with those considerations being Tampa gets the right to begin negotiating with Huet the second the Habs are eliminated from the playoffs, and a first round pick if the Habs win the Cup in the next two years.
I'm just trying to avoid talking about last night's game, is all.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 8, 2008 17:19:16 GMT -5
I'm just trying to avoid talking about last night's game, is all. By suggesting ways of landing Mr. Big...you are talking about last night's game. We need him. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Feb 8, 2008 19:30:34 GMT -5
EKLUND Dateline: February 12, 2032
Rumor mill: Lecavalier will be traded to the Hab's for Tomas Plekanec Jr., Sergi Kostitsyn Jr., and Chris Higgins Jr.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Feb 18, 2008 18:14:27 GMT -5
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Post by jimmyjazz on Feb 18, 2008 19:24:46 GMT -5
I'd like to know what Pronger's agent and Kevin Lowe said when Strachan declared that Pronger wanted out, probably the same thing. Hell would I love to have Lecavalier with the habs. Just ain't ever gonna happen... |
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Post by jkr on Feb 18, 2008 19:34:47 GMT -5
I'd like to know what Pronger's agent and Kevin Lowe said when Strachan declared that Pronger wanted out, probably the same thing. Hell would I love to have Lecavalier with the habs. Just ain't ever gonna happen... His contract runs out after the 2009 season. Until he re-signs with another team I will continue to hope, not obsess, just hope.  |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 19, 2008 9:12:53 GMT -5
Well, maybe Bob and Carbo are showcasing Price (back to back games and all against a top team) to show Tampa Bay his worth .... Price, roster player, and pick .... welcome home Vinny.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Feb 19, 2008 13:17:46 GMT -5
Well, maybe Bob and Carbo are showcasing Price (back to back games and all against a top team) to show Tampa Bay his worth .... Price, roster player, and pick .... welcome home Vinny. Two good back to back games in nets for a #1 center on his team (in the league)? Sounds fair to me. |
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Post by habmeister on Jun 19, 2008 19:01:00 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Jun 19, 2008 21:10:36 GMT -5
He obviously does not share the passion we have for the Habs. Man. What's so attractive about Tampa Bay, besides the carcinogenic rays?
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 19, 2008 22:40:57 GMT -5
He obviously does not share the passion we have for the Habs. Man. What's so attractive about Tampa Bay, besides the carcinogenic rays? He has a Cup ring. No pressure. Set for life. Says a lot to me if he signs the "lifetime" contract. And really, in the scope of it all.....who could blame him? |
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