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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 20, 2002 10:34:27 GMT -5
Sounds logical Michel Blanchard articleUnbelievable. ''Watching games from the press box will only do him some good'' You have to be joking MT!! This is the WORST thing you can do to a young player. They are telling him to stop being creative and to play like Traverse, Quintal, Dykhuis and all our other non-talents play. To FORGET about the transition game and play defence like Rick freakin Green played it. Hainsey HAS TO PLAY!!!!!!! Either in the NHL or the AHL. Having him sit is just ridiculous. I think I am going to be sick. This team has no clue how to develop young talent
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Post by HFTO on Oct 20, 2002 11:02:33 GMT -5
Get rid of MT! HFTO
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Post by seventeen on Oct 20, 2002 13:13:31 GMT -5
MT was overheard to be mumbling "That SOB Houle told me I'd be an NHL coach when Saddam wins the Nobel Peace Prize. Well, I'm going to make sure that everyone of the players he liked either gets shipped out or rots in the press box. I don't care if his name is Mario Lemieux." I really don't believe that quote is true, but it explains what is happening as well as any other theory. Either that or MT truly is empty headed. Has anyone flashed a light in his ear lately?
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Post by Viper on Oct 20, 2002 13:18:49 GMT -5
J'essaie présentement de lui faire comprendre que ce n'est pas le nombre de points qu'il nous donne qui importe, mais le nombre de buts qu'il empêche de faire marquer qui compte.»<br> what's this reverse freaking psychology okay everybody stop scoring just get one and hope for the shutout. Transition and offensive blueliner's who needs em why should we develop that kind of talent it's useless just ask Robinson, Coffey, Orr, Bourque, etcetera etcetera hell how these guys became hall of famers blows my mind it's an outrage they all sucked.
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 20, 2002 13:40:23 GMT -5
Guys...what commodity is the TOUGHEST to acquire in this league?
A complete defenceman who can do it all. There are so few of them.
Hainsey is one of the rare guys who has the talent to become one. A guy who has the offensive talent and has the potential to be a rock solid blueliner with his size.
But with our coaching staff, it looks like it will just go to waste and he will be a solid but nothing spectacular d-man. *Sigh*...
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Post by PTH on Oct 20, 2002 13:47:30 GMT -5
Seems logical to me - let the guy watch a few games from the press box and get a better read on the NHL game, and make him realise his points will come later, that a solid defensive game is what comes first.
It worked with Redden, it worked with Desjardins, it worked with Schneider, it worked with Markov..... we need to give kids chances, but just throwing them out to the wolves 20 minutes a game won't work when they haven't figured out what they need to do.
Hainsey has a very complicated position to learn, it's normal that it take some time.
Let's not overreact people....
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Post by Viper on Oct 20, 2002 13:54:26 GMT -5
what is it they say about patience ?? is it some kind of virtue or something ?? PTH good point but my patience is wearing thin ;D For me (and probably all of us except real youngster's like garb )this is the worst phase of habfan life i've been through I never envisioned this team falling so far so fast and now that we have reversed that spiral(mainly because it almost couldn't get any worse.) i'm in a hurry to get it done quickly But recovery always takes longer no matter what the scenario i suppose.
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 20, 2002 14:01:42 GMT -5
It worked with Redden, it worked with Desjardins, it worked with Schneider, it worked with Markov..... we need to give kids chances, but just throwing them out to the wolves 20 minutes a game won't work when they haven't figured out what they need to do. Hainsey has a very complicated position to learn, it's normal that it take some time. Let's not overreact people.... when did Redden sit? www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid%5B%5D=14466IMO, the best way to develop young players is too play them 10-15 minutes per game, don't rush them, show confidence in them,etc. Maybe scratch them when you are facing an elite opponent like the Wings, but scratching them too often puts some doubt in their mind. They need to play to learn at this level. Sitting in the pressbox won't do that. It's like watching a game on TV.... Who knows...at the end of the year we may look back on this and laugh...''wow....remember when Hainsey was being scratched for Traverse?''
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Post by Viper on Oct 20, 2002 14:04:36 GMT -5
damnit and i'm not getting paid for this
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 20, 2002 14:06:02 GMT -5
damnit and i'm not getting paid for this and I am sure you don't have free popcorn ;D
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Post by PTH on Oct 20, 2002 14:06:38 GMT -5
Sitting in the pressbox won't do that. It's like watching a game on TV.... No, it isn't. They are still with the team, they know the gameplan, and they can see how the play develops. A lot of players are scratched for a few games and come back doing better, because they had time to figure a few things out. I'd rather see Hainsey play those 10-15 minutes a night myself, but seeing him scratched for a few isn't catastrophic, either...
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Oct 20, 2002 14:07:22 GMT -5
I don't like Hainsey sitting but a few games watched from upstairs could actually help. We're talking about a guy who should keep developing for the next 6 years and should be with the club (hopefully) for 10 or more.
I think he could really help on the pp, though.
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 20, 2002 14:09:40 GMT -5
No, it isn't. They are still with the team, they know the gameplan, and they can see how the play develops. A lot of players are scratched for a few games and come back doing better, because they had time to figure a few things out. I'd rather see Hainsey play those 10-15 minutes a night myself, but seeing him scratched for a few isn't catastrophic, either... ok...true he practices with them, is in the meetings, is in a NHL atmosphere,etc I just want to see Ron back in the lineup ASAP. B/c ike JV said our PP needs help. Hainsey, with his quick, low wrist shot should help it.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 20, 2002 17:01:34 GMT -5
Ok, let me be diplomatic. If Hainsey truly sucked (debatable and certainly not any more than his pylonesque partner) then sit the guy a game, show him tapes, coach him..yada, yada, yada. When it goes longer than a game and Mr Hainsey, who had gone to college and sounds like he is several IQ levels above MT, sees other defensemen playing as 'badly' as he did and not gettng benched, he's getting a different message. It's no longer positive reinforcement, it's simply punishment and no longer is reasonable. Perhaps it takes MT several games to grasp the obvious.
I can't help but maintain my position....we have various areas in which we need toimprove, but we are not going anywhere, until the first and most important factor is corrected. That, again in my opinion, is our coaching. Correct the rest and it won't matter because the chain always breaks at the weakest link.
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 20, 2002 17:38:37 GMT -5
The only good thing here is Hainsey is a very confident guy and it would be mighty tough to totally destroy that confidence.
We are not dealing with Jocelyn Thibeault confidence wise here.
Still...he has to play to get better....come on MT stop giving us these reasons...play the kid!
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 20, 2002 18:37:35 GMT -5
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Post by Viper on Oct 20, 2002 19:02:07 GMT -5
Hainsey says practising at the NHL level is just as good if not better than playing in junior or the AHL. "When you're not playing, you're out there longer in practice," Hainsey said. "I was out there 45 minutes longer (yesterday morning) doing things with the goalies and the coaches. Sure, you want to play games, but when there's a stretch when you're not playing, it's still beneficial to practise here (in the NHL)." This is the kicker for me if it's more beneficial to practice here why do so many guys get the shuffle not to mention i still feel 100 percent positive that he did nothing worse than half the team did in as he said "earning a spot every night" their is still no reason i can find that has him sitting more than the third period he sat in Buffalo.
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Post by Vichab on Oct 21, 2002 0:47:24 GMT -5
This is not rocket science. Watching last night's games against the laughs two things were obvious:
1) we were always in trouble in our end when Q and Traverse were out there; and
2) we lost a point because our pp is terrible - not only did it squander numerous opportunities to put the game away it gave up the tying goal.
It seems to me that Hainsey can help solve both problems. He has way more offensive sense and capabilty than any of our dmen except for maybe Markov who I think has been our best dman so far. He would help our pp. And he can't do any worse than Q and T on D. When he does come back please don't play him with Q.
I'm impressed with Hainsey's attitude but that may not last if he begins to realize as most of us have that MT is an idiot. If you respect your coach you can abide by his decisions but once it dawns on Hainsey that MT is in way over his head Hainsey will start to want to play - elsewhere where his talent and potential will be recognized and appreciated. In the mean time let's hope that Hainsey doesn't read Habsrus as he would learn quite quickly just what an idiot MT is. Then again all he has to do is read Sports Illustrated issue on this up coming season where they refer to MT's bone head blunders.
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 21, 2002 7:30:35 GMT -5
OK...here's is how you bring Hainsey back to the lineup tomorrow:
-never put him on the ice when Mario's line is on the ice
-give him loads of PP time
-put him out against the Pens 3rd and 4th lines
He'll have about 10-15 minutes of ice time, the Habs will be better off and this board will be thrilled ;D
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 21, 2002 7:54:07 GMT -5
Even Jack Todd agrees with us click hereIf some of you don't know who Jack Todd is...well let me just tell you this: Saturday he tried to make the Hackett/Theodore situation into a english vs french war...he's an idiot plain and simple..
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