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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 15, 2007 7:08:27 GMT -5
According to Ecklund, Marleau is available with Edmonton, Philly and Montreal being suitors. Also suggests some kind of 3 way deal including Nabokov to Boston....
...it got me thinking:
Boston: Marleau, Nabokov
Montreal: Bergeron
San Jose: Ryder, Plekanec, Boston's 1st
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Post by Polarice on Jun 15, 2007 7:56:37 GMT -5
Morning Doc. Yeah I could live with that deal, Ryder's been a thorn in Gainey's side for the last couple years, and being on the block for awhile last year, I can see him being dealt this summer.
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Post by ropoflu on Jun 15, 2007 8:16:19 GMT -5
Morning Doc. Yeah I could live with that deal, Ryder's been a thorn in Gainey's side for the last couple years, and being on the block for awhile last year, I can see him being dealt this summer. Shhh... Skilly might be listening! |
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Post by blny on Jun 15, 2007 8:23:14 GMT -5
Ryder would instantly be a 40g man playing with Thornton. Just like Cheechoo.
I can't help but think Boston somehow comes out ahead in this. Yeah, they're taking on most of the salary. We're giving up a good two-way center and a 30g man for Bergeron? I think we'd need more than that in return. Say SJ's first rounder.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 15, 2007 8:40:35 GMT -5
I like Bergeron but one area lacking is our strength down the middle. While he'd help I don't know if Bergeron is worth both Ryder and Pleks. Just me though. My first consideration would be trying to get Marleau to Montreal. And if we're talking a blockbuster I'd ask about the availability of Serge Bernier or Mark Bell as well.
To Mtl: Marleau and either Bernier/Bell
To SJ: Ryder, Pleks, rights to Perezhogin, and SJ's chioce to one of Mtl's 1st-rounders. Add a prospect if the Zohgin scenario doesn't pan out ... say, Milroy who is a western boy to begin with.
Then there's that veteran defenceman issue as well. Read elsewhere that McGuire thinks there's smoke around a Chicago/Mtl deal. But, take that for what it's worth. I don't know what Chicago has that Gainey would be interested in.
I'm hoping it will be an interesting draft day but Gainey is anything but predictable.
Cheers.
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Post by jkr on Jun 15, 2007 8:56:54 GMT -5
Ryder would instantly be a 40g man playing with Thornton. Just like Cheechoo. I can't help but think Boston somehow comes out ahead in this. Yeah, they're taking on most of the salary. We're giving up a good two-way center and a 30g man for Bergeron? I think we'd need more than that in return. Say SJ's first rounder. Agree on all counts. I like Bergeron but Ryder AND Plekanec is too much for him. |
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Post by HabSolute on Jun 15, 2007 9:08:25 GMT -5
Ryder would instantly be a 40g man playing with Thornton. Just like Cheechoo. I can't help but think Boston somehow comes out ahead in this. Yeah, they're taking on most of the salary. We're giving up a good two-way center and a 30g man for Bergeron? I think we'd need more than that in return. Say SJ's first rounder. Agree on all counts. I like Bergeron but Ryder AND Plekanec is too much for him. And didn't Bergeron once said he hated the Habs and wouldn't want to play in Montreal ? Or is this just internet gossip ? But if it's true, it's the last thing we need..... |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 15, 2007 10:26:36 GMT -5
He once said something along the lines that he did not grew up a HABS fan (BTW Patrick Roy grew up a Nordiques fans) but he never said he'd never play here.
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 15, 2007 10:47:59 GMT -5
I would give up Plekanec and Ryder for Bergeron in a heartbeat, and I’d giggle quietly every time I think about it too…
Higgins – Koivu – Kostitsyin
Latendresse - Bergeron – Kovalev
Works for me.
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Post by HFTO on Jun 15, 2007 12:29:44 GMT -5
I'm stil a fan of marleau and have been pushing for the Habs to gert him for quite some time.Bergeron would do as well IMO there is still a ton of upside there.
Go Habs make my trip to Columbus a memorable one.
HFTO
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Post by roke on Jun 15, 2007 13:08:28 GMT -5
Alright, so apparently I'm one of Eklund's sources. I don't know if I should be angry, embarassed or insulted. 2nd Last Post of this pageI wouldn't mind seeing Marleau in town although I beileve he is an UFA after next season. |
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Post by insomnius on Jun 15, 2007 13:11:59 GMT -5
Marleau is only available because he disappeared again during the playoffs. SJ management want something for him while he still has value - I say stay away from Marleau.
And while I cannot provide a link, there have been many opportunities for Bergeron to show his hate for the Habs - including an interview when being drafted by Boston where IIRC he said something about being happy to go to a heated rival of the Habs.
Not the presence wanted in a dressing room.
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Post by insomnius on Jun 15, 2007 13:40:56 GMT -5
Alright, so apparently I'm one of Eklund's sources. I don't know if I should be angry, embarassed or insulted. 2nd Last Post of this pageI wouldn't mind seeing Marleau in town although I beileve he is an UFA after next season. If Eklund is using you as a source then I think you should be insulted, angry AND embarassed.  |
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Post by franko on Jun 15, 2007 16:11:11 GMT -5
I To Mtl: Marleau and either Bernier/Bell To SJ: Ryder, Pleks, rights to Perezhogin, and SJ's chioce to one of Mtl's 1st-rounders. Add a prospect if the Zohgin scenario doesn't pan out ... say, Milroy who is a western boy to begin with. Dis: I like you more and more! ;D [you too HFTO . . . donm't be jealous). marleau may have disappeared a bit during the playoffs, but it happens (ask Spezza and Heatley). A bit of cajoling may make the difference. Marleau is UFA after this year -- I'd want him signed, sealed, and locked up if we're sending Ryder away. |
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Post by habmeister on Jun 15, 2007 17:05:52 GMT -5
Alright, so apparently I'm one of Eklund's sources. I don't know if I should be angry, embarassed or insulted. 2nd Last Post of this pageI wouldn't mind seeing Marleau in town although I beileve he is an UFA after next season. to me it just looks like a post made by someone with the same name, or was it you? nothing about a source there. |
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Post by HFTO on Jun 15, 2007 18:28:57 GMT -5
Marleau maynot have had a great playoff but before Detroit broke through they were ready to give up on Stevie Y in Detroit,if San Jose wants to give up on him I'll take my chances pairing him with Kovalev.
HFTO
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Post by blny on Jun 15, 2007 20:44:28 GMT -5
Marleau is only available because he disappeared again during the playoffs. SJ management want something for him while he still has value - I say stay away from Marleau. An interesting theory. I would argue that there were a number of Sharks that didn't really show up, and after a couple of cracks at things with this core they may be in need of a shake up. New scenery might help him, or others. |
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Post by PTH on Jun 15, 2007 22:28:58 GMT -5
I would give up Plekanec and Ryder for Bergeron in a heartbeat, and I’d giggle quietly every time I think about it too… Same for me. Ryder could be a UFA in what, one season ? Is one season of Ryder worth the difference between Plekanec and Bergeron ? No way, IMO. Bergeron is 2 years younger than Pleky, and a far better player up to date. I like both Plekanec and Ryder, and I think both should ideally be kept, but a young, productive, hometown boy is worth his weight in gold, IMO.... |
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Post by roke on Jun 15, 2007 22:44:35 GMT -5
Alright, so apparently I'm one of Eklund's sources. I don't know if I should be angry, embarassed or insulted. 2nd Last Post of this pageI wouldn't mind seeing Marleau in town although I beileve he is an UFA after next season. to me it just looks like a post made by someone with the same name, or was it you? nothing about a source there. That's me, I was joking that he was using that as a source. |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 15, 2007 23:00:38 GMT -5
I would give up Plekanec and Ryder for Bergeron in a heartbeat, and I’d giggle quietly every time I think about it too… Same for me. Ryder could be a UFA in what, one season ? Is one season of Ryder worth the difference between Plekanec and Bergeron ? No way, IMO. Bergeron is 2 years younger than Pleky, and a far better player up to date. I like both Plekanec and Ryder, and I think both should ideally be kept, but a young, productive, hometown boy is worth his weight in gold, IMO.... And what's a young, unproductive, hometown boy who doesn't want to be there worth? |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 15, 2007 23:08:14 GMT -5
Morning Doc. Yeah I could live with that deal, Ryder's been a thorn in Gainey's side for the last couple years, and being on the block for awhile last year, I can see him being dealt this summer. Shhh... Skilly might be listening!No biggie .... Ryder gets 3 one yr deals and scores 25 goals on each of them ..... a real problem child. Gainey always attempts to sign Ryder last, and Ryder signed the first non-qualifying offer each time........ a real problem that Ryder And he gave his agent permission to look for a trade when Gainey would not talk to him before the arbitration filing date ...forcing Ryder to file.  This is the same guy who wanted to move to Montreal and buy a house and requested a long term deal for less money so he could stop living out of a suitcase ..... boy a real headcase. Ryder has done everything asked of him and some Montreal fans he will never please .... I keep saying he is underappreciated by management and fans. Let's see what Gainey offers him and the reactions. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 16, 2007 0:52:39 GMT -5
And what's a young, unproductive, hometown boy who doesn't want to be there worth? Janne Niniimaa? Sorry, couldn't resist. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 16, 2007 1:36:26 GMT -5
No biggie .... Ryder gets 3 one yr deals and scores 25 goals on each of them ..... a real problem child. Gainey always attempts to sign Ryder last, and Ryder signed the first non-qualifying offer each time........ a real problem that Ryder And he gave his agent permission to look for a trade when Gainey would not talk to him before the arbitration filing date ...forcing Ryder to file. This is the same guy who wanted to move to Montreal and buy a house and requested a long term deal for less money so he could stop living out of a suitcase ..... boy a real headcase. Ryder has done everything asked of him and some Montreal fans he will never please .... I keep saying he is underappreciated by management and fans. Let's see what Gainey offers him and the reactions. It actually has been quite the long and winding road together for Ryder and the Habs. Two stints in the ECHL while others were moving past and up the depth chart. Less than impressive AHL debuts. A great first real NHL camp where he won a spot against some decent odds. A first NHL season where he saw a spot on all lines as his ex-Hull coach Julien moved him up from spotty fourth line duty to bona fide first line duty with the little Captain. I have no inside knowledge of why the deals are always just for one year and the last one seemingly to get done. I guess this is the real bubble year for each party to let its intent be known and go from there. Not too many other 30 goal scorers on the roster right now, so if the final decision is somewhere other than Montreal for both parties, something with proven offensive talent has to also fill that void. Yashin won't cut it in my books.  His current pay scale is decent and appropriate, so sign the lad and get on with the summer!! |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 16, 2007 14:37:00 GMT -5
And what's a young, unproductive, hometown boy who doesn't want to be there worth? Janne Niniimaa? Sorry, couldn't resist. ;D |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 16, 2007 14:40:47 GMT -5
No biggie .... Ryder gets 3 one yr deals and scores 25 goals on each of them ..... a real problem child. Gainey always attempts to sign Ryder last, and Ryder signed the first non-qualifying offer each time........ a real problem that Ryder And he gave his agent permission to look for a trade when Gainey would not talk to him before the arbitration filing date ...forcing Ryder to file. This is the same guy who wanted to move to Montreal and buy a house and requested a long term deal for less money so he could stop living out of a suitcase ..... boy a real headcase. Ryder has done everything asked of him and some Montreal fans he will never please .... I keep saying he is underappreciated by management and fans. Let's see what Gainey offers him and the reactions. It actually has been quite the long and winding road together for Ryder and the Habs. Two stints in the ECHL while others were moving past and up the depth chart. Less than impressive AHL debuts. A great first real NHL camp where he won a spot against some decent odds. A first NHL season where he saw a spot on all lines as his ex-Hull coach Julien moved him up from spotty fourth line duty to bona fide first line duty with the little Captain. I have no inside knowledge of why the deals are always just for one year and the last one seemingly to get done. I guess this is the real bubble year for each party to let its intent be known and go from there. Not too many other 30 goal scorers on the roster right now, so if the final decision is somewhere other than Montreal for both parties, something with proven offensive talent has to also fill that void. Yashin won't cut it in my books. His current pay scale is decent and appropriate, so sign the lad and get on with the summer!! Now thats a good unbiased look at the situation .... I don't mind moving Ryder. But for the right reasons, and the only reason is to get something in return that we need ....... ... we need a poll (H&C?). Who will be the next player to score 30 goals for the Habs? |
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Post by blny on Jun 16, 2007 17:53:53 GMT -5
It actually has been quite the long and winding road together for Ryder and the Habs. Two stints in the ECHL while others were moving past and up the depth chart. Less than impressive AHL debuts. A great first real NHL camp where he won a spot against some decent odds. A first NHL season where he saw a spot on all lines as his ex-Hull coach Julien moved him up from spotty fourth line duty to bona fide first line duty with the little Captain. I have no inside knowledge of why the deals are always just for one year and the last one seemingly to get done. I guess this is the real bubble year for each party to let its intent be known and go from there. Not too many other 30 goal scorers on the roster right now, so if the final decision is somewhere other than Montreal for both parties, something with proven offensive talent has to also fill that void. Yashin won't cut it in my books. His current pay scale is decent and appropriate, so sign the lad and get on with the summer!! Now thats a good unbiased look at the situation .... I don't mind moving Ryder. But for the right reasons, and the only reason is to get something in return that we need ....... ... we need a poll (H&C?). Who will be the next player to score 30 goals for the Habs? Higgins. |
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Post by habmeister on Jun 16, 2007 17:56:28 GMT -5
Now thats a good unbiased look at the situation .... I don't mind moving Ryder. But for the right reasons, and the only reason is to get something in return that we need ....... ... we need a poll (H&C?). Who will be the next player to score 30 goals for the Habs? Higgins. hehe, i already pm'd skilly about a sidebet, you can guess who my money is on. |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 17, 2007 8:58:41 GMT -5
I would give up Plekanec and Ryder for Bergeron in a heartbeat, and I’d giggle quietly every time I think about it too… Higgins – Koivu – Kostitsyin Latendresse - Bergeron – Kovalev Works for me. A UFA next season that will probably bolt...who cares unless he can bring us something valuable by himself. What can Pleks really do? I really believe that he is a 30 goal man. Umm, maybe this is an upgrade, maybe not. The side benefit is that he is French.....but THAT may be a collar. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 17, 2007 12:06:24 GMT -5
His last name may be French-base, but I don't think he was raised in Quebec and I doubt he knows how to speak French.
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Post by Toronthab on Jun 17, 2007 12:25:13 GMT -5
hehe, i already pm'd skilly about a sidebet, you can guess who my money is on. Skilly's hometown paper 'The Earnest Flounder" ran a front page photo of Skilly and Ryder sneaking out of grungy motel on the wrong side of town. Skilly was quoted as saying that they 'just needed a quiet place to discuss the upcoming draft. Inquiring minds want to know.....  |
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