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Post by franko on Aug 18, 2007 9:38:43 GMT -5
I think it's a bit of a "sky is falling" attitude to think that if we lose Ryder, and he's not lost yet, that we face the same fate with Komisarek, Higgins, and Plekanec. More than that, why are we the only team that worries about losing someone? Is this not constant throughout the league? [Buffalo comes to mind]. And if we do lose someone, is there not a possibility of picking someone else up (OK, that hasn't been working as well as hoped for  ) BG should be locking guys in longer term, for sure. But we're still in "the new NHL" and there is a learning curve going on. GMs just might regret signing the 6-8 year contracts; time will tell. Glad we're not Nashville, trying to make it to the salary minimum, or Toronto, just because, well, it's Toronto. |
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Post by Skilly on Aug 18, 2007 18:12:01 GMT -5
I really think BG is going to place faith in a lot of the kids to see what they're made of. Work them, and move what doesn't fit. There is only one little problem with that philosophy. Gainey lets them work, they don't fit, the rest of the league sees they don't fit, the rest of the league has questions about them, their value goes down and we get squat in return. The Habs management should know who they want to give a chance to and who they do not by now .... they all can't make the team so use them as assess. |
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Post by Skilly on Aug 18, 2007 18:16:49 GMT -5
then turning around and getting Marleau for Vishnovsky and Kostitsyn (or Emelin - or another defense prospect). A top 4 dmen signed long term and a prospect seems like a steep for a guy who's a UFA at the end of the season, no? And 8-10 million for Briere wasn't alot? We all know we need a shot in the arm offensively and we all know that we have to overpay to get it ..... it astounds me how when even the remotest of possibilities is available, Habs fans will immediately say we paid too much or we are giving up too much .... we aren't exactly going to get an 80 point man for Bouillon. |
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Post by jkr on Aug 19, 2007 8:16:48 GMT -5
A top 4 dmen signed long term and a prospect seems like a steep for a guy who's a UFA at the end of the season, no? And 8-10 million for Briere wasn't alot? We all know we need a shot in the arm offensively and we all know that we have to overpay to get it ..... it astounds me how when even the remotest of possibilities is available, Habs fans will immediately say we paid too much or we are giving up too much .... we aren't exactly going to get an 80 point man for Bouillon. Nicely summed up Skilly. The old adage " you have to give up something to get something" applies. Hab fabs are never pleased - either they didn't get "the guy" or they paid too much for him. |
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Post by blny on Aug 19, 2007 13:34:47 GMT -5
I really think BG is going to place faith in a lot of the kids to see what they're made of. Work them, and move what doesn't fit. There is only one little problem with that philosophy. Gainey lets them work, they don't fit, the rest of the league sees they don't fit, the rest of the league has questions about them, their value goes down and we get squat in return. The Habs management should know who they want to give a chance to and who they do not by now .... they all can't make the team so use them as assess. Sure. But there are lots of examples of players that didn't fit in one team, but flourish on another. I think at some point Gainey has to insert as many young players as possible, while still maintaining a veteran influence at key positions. He may have preferred to get a few UFAs this summer, but his hand appears to have been forced. Not getting a Briere, or the like, means the young guys are gonna get a lot of minutes. |
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Post by clear observer on Aug 19, 2007 14:59:03 GMT -5
Not getting a Briere, or the like, means the young guys are gonna get a lot of minutes. And just as true might be: "Sometimes the best deals are those you couldn't make"Given this, I woulda liked to have seen Briere as a Hab...the "buzz" would have been enormous! |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Aug 27, 2007 10:47:40 GMT -5
Not getting a Briere, or the like, means the young guys are gonna get a lot of minutes. ...it also means the young guys will have to carry a somewhat unrealistic load, pressure and expectations. The spotlight that a marquee player would have taken will now be on them... It also means that a guy like Koivu no longer believes you can compete with the best teams... |
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Post by CrocRob on Aug 28, 2007 17:39:24 GMT -5
www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=9156Paul Martin would be an amazing pickup, but I don't see it happening. He's 25 and already plays top pairing minutes in Jersey. Unless, of course.. he means Brodeur? 
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Post by Skilly on Aug 28, 2007 18:39:29 GMT -5
Eklund has been saying for the last three weeks that Montreal will make a trade early in the week. Say it often enough and people will believe you or it will come true I guess ....
Who would we give up for Paul Martin? (and don't say Staphane Dion).
If we get Martin then we are delivering a real good kick to the gonads of the youngsters. Our defense would be a great deal better than last year though ... we still need that second liner.
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Post by CrocRob on Aug 28, 2007 20:04:16 GMT -5
Eklund has been saying for the last three weeks that Montreal will make a trade early in the week. Say it often enough and people will believe you or it will come true I guess .... Who would we give up for Paul Martin? (and don't say Staphane Dion). If we get Martin then we are delivering a real good kick to the gonads of the youngsters. Our defense would be a great deal better than last year though ... we still need that second liner. Jersey needs defense still, so a package of Bouillon and Komisarek? I don't see it happening because Jersey would get quantity back instead of quality. |
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Post by Skilly on Aug 30, 2007 17:36:45 GMT -5
Jersey needs defense still, so a package of Bouillon and Komisarek? I don't see it happening because Jersey would get quantity back instead of quality. According to Eklund Montreal would never move Komisarek and San Jose wanted him for Marleau .... he says Montreal is trying to get Martin from New Jersey to flip him to San Jose as a replacement for Komisarek. I am following up on a few rumours. I have received some emails that are questioning why Montreal would want another d-man right now, when it is widely known throughout the league that they are hard at work looking for a center. I have to agree that the move feels suspicious, but one source pointed out to me the following...
"The Sharks are in need of a top line guy to replace Hannan, and would require it in a deal involving Marleau. So it makes sense that the Habs would not be giving up Komisarek in the deal if they could acquire Martin and flip him." |
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Post by Skilly on Aug 30, 2007 17:41:19 GMT -5
Here we go again:
Also there are as many as three teams that have offered Eric Lindros an invitation to camp. Eric's focus has very much shifted to the NHLPA right now, but the closer the season gets the more Lindros may remember he was a pretty good player at the end of last year with the Stars and get the itch. Best I can tell, two of those teams are out West and one is a Canadian team in the East.
Cant be Toronto ... been there done that
Ottawa? They are considered the best in the East right now, so why would they need to add someone?
Who is looking for the big bad top six forward? And Toronto is trying to get Tony Salmalinen ... who?
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Post by jkr on Aug 30, 2007 18:44:04 GMT -5
Eklund has been saying for the last three weeks that Montreal will make a trade early in the week. Say it often enough and people will believe you or it will come true I guess .... I look at his site everyday & I can't really say why. I can't think of one story that he has broken with some real inside info this summer. But there I am everyday. It's as you say - keep saying something & it may happen. |
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Post by CrocRob on Aug 30, 2007 23:50:16 GMT -5
Here we go again: Also there are as many as three teams that have offered Eric Lindros an invitation to camp. Eric's focus has very much shifted to the NHLPA right now, but the closer the season gets the more Lindros may remember he was a pretty good player at the end of last year with the Stars and get the itch. Best I can tell, two of those teams are out West and one is a Canadian team in the East.Cant be Toronto ... been there done that Ottawa? They are considered the best in the East right now, so why would they need to add someone? Who is looking for the big bad top six forward? And Toronto is trying to get Tony Salmalinen ... who? I would be it's Ottawa. Toronto doesn't have the cap space and Montreal already has like 20 forwards expected to make the team. Ottawa could use a bruising offensive forward. Lindros was pretty good late last year. |
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Post by CrocRob on Aug 30, 2007 23:52:28 GMT -5
I look at his site everyday & I can't really say why. I can't think of one story that he has broken with some real inside info this summer. But there I am everyday. It's as you say - keep saying something & it may happen. I do the same thing. I even know why: It's because there's nothing else hockey-related to read. Until training camp starts, there's next to nothing to read that's hockey related and Eklunds rumours at least makes me think about hockey. OT Rant: Seriously, can we install a dictionary that is Canadian?! It's RUMOURS! Not "rumors" and certainly not "rum ours." |
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Post by BadCompany on Aug 31, 2007 13:38:25 GMT -5
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Post by Skilly on Aug 31, 2007 16:26:51 GMT -5
Maybe a team wanted him under contract for around 6 million before they traded him? San Jose now has 10 people under contract next year for 36 million dollars. Have fun signing 12 more players with 14 - 16 million (if the cap goes up) |
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Post by halihab on Sept 6, 2007 12:57:57 GMT -5
Andy McDonald for a D-man and a forward
Also in talks with the Devils
TIFWIW
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Post by franko on Sept 6, 2007 13:41:36 GMT -5
Andy McDonald for a D-man and a forward [ Heavy saracsm]Right.[/sarcasm] And the Ducks would do that because . . . ? 1. their D is weak1. any one of our forwards can make up for Selanne, should he go1. ? [edit]Don't get me wrong -- I like MacDonald and would grab him in a heartbeat . . . I just don't see it. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Sept 6, 2007 14:07:02 GMT -5
Andy McDonald for a D-man and a forward [ Heavy saracsm]Right.[/sarcasm] And the Ducks would do that because . . . ? 1. their D is weak1. any one of our forwards can make up for Selanne, should he go1. ? [edit]Don't get me wrong -- I like MacDonald and would grab him in a heartbeat . . . I just don't see it. As JKR said, Eklund found out that he gets good hit points on his site by throwing Montreal's name out there in his rumors. Any rumors. Almost not a day goes by that he doesn't link the HABS to some kind of possible deals... |
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Post by Polarice on Sept 7, 2007 6:17:22 GMT -5
[ Heavy saracsm]Right.[/sarcasm] And the Ducks would do that because . . . ? 1. their D is weak1. any one of our forwards can make up for Selanne, should he go1. ? [edit]Don't get me wrong -- I like MacDonald and would grab him in a heartbeat . . . I just don't see it. As JKR said, Eklund found out that he gets good hit points on his site by throwing Montreal's name out there in his rumors. Any rumors. Almost not a day goes by that he doesn't link the HABS to some kind of possible deals... If you want attention, just mention the Habs or the Leafs in any trade rumour!! |
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Post by halihab on Oct 19, 2007 11:47:48 GMT -5
TIFWIW;
Habs and west coast team 2 for 2 deal. (1 forward and 1 D going each way). West team very interested in Lats.
Sharks interested in Chara
Theodore to Penguins
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Post by franko on Oct 19, 2007 13:02:33 GMT -5
What does Eklund say about Kovy/Tanguay? [  -- to Eklund!] |
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Post by jkr on Oct 19, 2007 15:02:36 GMT -5
TIFWIW; Habs and west coast team 2 for 2 deal. (1 forward and 1 D going each way). West team very interested in Lats. Sharks interested in Chara Theodore to Penguins Does Eklund even think before he posts: - I don't know the Sharks cap situation but Chara is making around 7 million. - Why would the Penguins want Theodore. Fleury is inconsistent but at least he has a lot more upside and he is cheaper.  |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 19, 2007 18:08:05 GMT -5
TIFWIW; Habs and west coast team 2 for 2 deal. (1 forward and 1 D going each way). West team very interested in Lats. Sharks interested in Chara Theodore to Penguins Does Eklund even think before he posts: - I don't know the Sharks cap situation but Chara is making around 7 million. - Why would the Penguins want Theodore. Fleury is inconsistent but at least he has a lot more upside and he is cheaper. TSN reported last night that the Penguins are looking for a goalie because they think that the need insurance in net. The names that Bob McKenzie mentioned were Joseph, Gerber and Halak. Bob posed the question "Would Montreal trade Halak within their conference?" .... he never said it, but the intonation seeme dto imply (to me anyway) that Halak is just what the Pens want. |
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 19, 2007 18:24:02 GMT -5
he never said it, but the intonation seeme dto imply (to me anyway) that Halak is just what the Pens want. Okay, let's say it's true. Play GM. Halak and ___________ for _________ ? Who does Pittsburgh have to offer that we'd want, cause they're not giving up Crosby or Malkin. I'd be tempted if Staal was in the mix. But they're not likely to give him up either. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 19, 2007 20:41:52 GMT -5
he never said it, but the intonation seeme dto imply (to me anyway) that Halak is just what the Pens want. Okay, let's say it's true. Play GM. Halak and ___________ for _________ ? Who does Pittsburgh have to offer that we'd want, cause they're not giving up Crosby or Malkin. I'd be tempted if Staal was in the mix. But they're not likely to give him up either. Can anybody spell Esposito? Not likely to happen though! |
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Post by Anardil1 on Oct 20, 2007 11:42:50 GMT -5
You're kidding right? Esposito has to be the most overrated prospect right now. He should be thanking his lucky stars to have been chosen by the Pens... a team deep enough to make him look like a special talent (eventually). There is a reason he slipped all the way down to 20, after starting the season as the prohibitive #1 prospect.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 20, 2007 13:20:45 GMT -5
Can anybody spell Esposito? W-h-e-n H-e-l-l F-r-e-e-z-e-s O-v-e-r. |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 20, 2007 14:09:36 GMT -5
he never said it, but the intonation seeme dto imply (to me anyway) that Halak is just what the Pens want. Okay, let's say it's true. Play GM. Halak and ___________ for _________ ? Who does Pittsburgh have to offer that we'd want, cause they're not giving up Crosby or Malkin. I'd be tempted if Staal was in the mix. But they're not likely to give him up either. Everyone always seems to think we have to give up two to get one .... Pittsburgh would be interested in Halak because he is young and cheap, they would not want to add more salary. Halak and _No One_ for __Armstrong_______ ? Halak for Talbot? Halak for Malone? - I don't think Pittsburgh would though. |
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