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Post by Doc Holliday on Oct 12, 2007 9:03:23 GMT -5
...saw this on another board and thought it was interesting:
Right now, would you consider trading Price for any player one for one and if so who would be the player(s) you'd consider.
Personally my short list would be Crosby and Vinny. Aside from them, one of one, I'd keep Carey.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2007 9:10:41 GMT -5
Not a chance.
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Post by Polarice on Oct 12, 2007 9:23:54 GMT -5
...saw this on another board and thought it was interesting: Right now, would you consider trading Price for any player one for one and if so who would be the player(s) you'd consider. Personally my short list would be Crosby and Vinny. Aside from them, one of one, I'd keep Carey. Depends on the length of the contract as well. I mean if we could get Vinny for 4 years for Price, I'd make that trade in a second. But if Vinny only had a year or two left on his contract, then no. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 12, 2007 10:25:03 GMT -5
No, I wouldn't.
Cheers.
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Post by Skilly on Oct 12, 2007 11:09:01 GMT -5
Crosby, Ovechkin, Heatley, ... its a very short list
I'd consider Vinny, but it wouldn't be an automatic yes.
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Post by mic on Oct 12, 2007 12:32:20 GMT -5
It's also a point of thinking of the opportunity cost considering our current state. Are we better off with
* Price/Huet + whatever Gainey can gain with Halak
* Halak/Huet + whatever Gainey can gain with Price
* Price/Halak + whatever Gainey can gain with Huet
What's your favourite composition?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 12, 2007 12:42:31 GMT -5
* Price/Halak + whatever Gainey can gain with Huet If Price lives up to his billing, this combination might be similar to the Dryden Larocque duo we had. Huet is still a bona fide NHL goaltender though. He'd help any team. Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 12, 2007 13:04:02 GMT -5
Too add to my list .... Luongo
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Post by cigarviper on Oct 12, 2007 14:31:27 GMT -5
To me Price is untouchable for the moment...even for Vinny.
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Post by blny on Oct 12, 2007 14:45:37 GMT -5
He's only played ONE game. One. IMO his value to us, and others, will only go up. As far as I'm concerned you win from the net out. Very few championship teams have done so without extremely good goaltending - even if it was a one year blip for said goalie. That makes the list of players one should entertain in offers for Price (when he's finally peaked) a very short one. Trade a player at his peak, not in the rise or decline.
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Post by Habfaith on Oct 12, 2007 15:17:01 GMT -5
He's only played ONE game. One. IMO his value to us, and others, will only go up. As far as I'm concerned you win from the net out. Very few championship teams have done so without extremely good goaltending - even if it was a one year blip for said goalie. That makes the list of players one should entertain in offers for Price (when he's finally peaked) a very short one. Trade a player at his peak, not in the rise or decline. Very well put, my thoughts exactly. I think the obvious thing to do is showcase Huet while starting Price about 35-40% of the games, and keep a close eye on Halak. If Halak continues to play well and Price doesn't falter, I would move Huet before too long. I would be comfortable with a Price-Halak-Danis depth chart... |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 12, 2007 17:37:33 GMT -5
Trade a player at his peak, not in the rise or decline. I'll play devil's advocate , and when I say that I mean I do not believe what I am goping to say, just arguing the other side of the coin. As you said he has only played ONE game. Maybe that is as good as he can get and it is his peak. We don't know. If we hold onto him and his play drops to the point where we have to send him top Hamilton, it could crush his confidence to the point of no repair. All the NHL is drooling now for him ... if we could get Crosby, Ovechkin, Heatley, or Luongo for him NOW (the argument above was a one for one trade) how much better return could we ever get? |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 12, 2007 17:39:09 GMT -5
He's only played ONE game. One. IMO his value to us, and others, will only go up. As far as I'm concerned you win from the net out. Very few championship teams have done so without extremely good goaltending - even if it was a one year blip for said goalie. That makes the list of players one should entertain in offers for Price (when he's finally peaked) a very short one. Trade a player at his peak, not in the rise or decline. Very well put, my thoughts exactly. I think the obvious thing to do is showcase Huet while starting Price about 35-40% of the games, and keep a close eye on Halak. If Halak continues to play well and Price doesn't falter, I would move Huet before too long. I would be comfortable with a Price-Halak-Danis depth chart... But that's not the hypothetical question posed above ... someone was just musing who would we be satisfied trading Price for NOW in a one for one trade. Of course everyone knows what we should do ... but what do we think Price's value is NOW is the hypothetical. |
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Post by habmeister on Oct 12, 2007 18:38:45 GMT -5
definetly not for that flake luongo. i'll bet price hoists a cup before roberta anyday.
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Post by blny on Oct 12, 2007 20:19:41 GMT -5
Trade a player at his peak, not in the rise or decline. I'll play devil's advocate , and when I say that I mean I do not believe what I am goping to say, just arguing the other side of the coin. As you said he has only played ONE game. Maybe that is as good as he can get and it is his peak. We don't know. If we hold onto him and his play drops to the point where we have to send him top Hamilton, it could crush his confidence to the point of no repair. All the NHL is drooling now for him ... if we could get Crosby, Ovechkin, Heatley, or Luongo for him NOW (the argument above was a one for one trade) how much better return could we ever get? You're assuming he's the next Dan Blackburn - all sorts of promise, played well early, then faltered dramatically. Hypothetically or not, I just don't see anyone knocking on Gainey's door about Price. Likely because they know the Canadiens aren't really interested in shopping, or trading, him. Pittsburgh isn't about to part with the face of the league for anyone. Price may become the best goalie in the league, but he's not likely to be the face of the NHL - the one the league is sold by. For the foreseeable future, that's Sid the Kid. Luongo? What for? Luongo is a great goalie, but is he enough right now to put us over the top? No. Not IMO. So, to me there's no point to even entertain the idea of swapping. If we were close, and needed one piece of the puzzle, maybe. |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 12, 2007 22:06:31 GMT -5
Jeezzz ... the question is like "What would you do with a million dollars" ... You don't have a million dollars, but it is always fun to sit down and imagine what you could do with it, if you won the lottery.
We are sitting on a asset ... an assest that ALSO may not be the missing piece (it was never goaltending that was Montreal's problem). But who, in a perfect world, (ie that means whoever we want, the other team is willing to give us him), would you be satisfied to get in a trade for Price?
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Post by seventeen on Oct 13, 2007 1:11:28 GMT -5
You're assuming he's the next Dan Blackburn - all sorts of promise, played well early, then faltered dramatically. Because of a very serious, career ending injury, not because of a lack of talent. |
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Post by blny on Oct 13, 2007 12:49:51 GMT -5
You're assuming he's the next Dan Blackburn - all sorts of promise, played well early, then faltered dramatically. Because of a very serious, career ending injury, not because of a lack of talent. He lost his confidence before the injury. He was thrown to the wolves at an early age, and wasn't ready. When he got demoted to Hartford it set him back even further mentally. The issue with his hand was the straw the broke the camel's back. A shame too cause he had a lot of promise. Skilly, we may not have had the worst goaltending in the league, but I think there have been nights when it could be better. Look back at the goalies we've had since Roy. Thibault, Jablonski, Moog, Hackett, Fiset, Theo, Aebischer, Huet, Halak, etc. Some had promise, some lived up to it over short periods of time, some were solid backups, some were decent mentors. None were going to put us over the top. None were the next Roy. Lofty expectations, but few positions have as large an impact on a teams success. Price may not be that goalie, but he's certainly done all the right things up to this point. Would it be a trade of what might be, for what is right now? Sure, but the right now would have to be an amazing upgrade on what we have to make up for it. We have defensive depth in terms of prospects. Some are puck movers. Some are physical presences. The future looks pretty good there. We need to find some size and skill up front and an elite center, but we have some young players that are coming in and need the chance to show whether or not they can do the job. This is their year. Our goaltending is at a crossroads IMO. Huet is in the last year of his deal. Halak is essentially ready for the jump as far as most are concerned. Price has done about all you can do at that level. Huet isn't young, so you have to decide if he's someone you want to continue to build around, or do you say thank you and move on. This will be the year to find out. |
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Post by MC Habber on Oct 13, 2007 14:14:37 GMT -5
Trade a player at his peak, not in the rise or decline. I'll play devil's advocate , and when I say that I mean I do not believe what I am goping to say, just arguing the other side of the coin. As you said he has only played ONE game. Maybe that is as good as he can get and it is his peak. We don't know. If we hold onto him and his play drops to the point where we have to send him top Hamilton, it could crush his confidence to the point of no repair. All the NHL is drooling now for him ... if we could get Crosby, Ovechkin, Heatley, or Luongo for him NOW (the argument above was a one for one trade) how much better return could we ever get? Given that argument, I would even consider trading him for someone like Eric Staal - a young player who has somewhat established himself as a franchise player and would definitely help the team. I'd probably be too conservative to actually make a trade like that, but if I did and Price never ended up living up to expectations, I'd look like a genius. Turning the question around, what players do you imagine teams might be willing to give up for Price? Most of the players mentioned so far, if Gainey asked about them, the other teams would laugh in his face. Some of them we wouldn't have a chance at even after Price has made it. Eric Staal is even a very long shot, but there might be a few GMs who would take a chance on a trade like that, though they'd probably want to see Price in a few more NHL games first. |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 13, 2007 17:55:41 GMT -5
Turning the question around, what players do you imagine teams might be willing to give up for Price? Thats a good question. I think if we were to entertain the notion of trading him to upgrade our team now, and not wait the perverial 3-5 years to try and be contenders ... the only return teams may be willing to give us is a player like Eric Cole (established second liner), a young prospect and a first rounder.... thats as about much as we'd get for him now. Which is why we dont trade him. But if we could get Crosby for him,we'd be nuts not to do it. |
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Post by habmeister on Oct 13, 2007 23:50:09 GMT -5
i would take crosby. thats about it.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Oct 15, 2007 12:14:11 GMT -5
it was never goaltending that was Montreal's problem ...this is something that not many people actually get.... In recent years Hackett, Theodore, Huet and Halak have all played amazing hockey for us. Yet some still think that our competitiveness lies in a better goalie... Price really impressed me, but I've been starving for some offense for too long. Turning the question around, what players do you imagine teams might be willing to give up for Price? Most of the players mentioned so far, if Gainey asked about them, the other teams would laugh in his face. ...Historically goalies don't bring back much in trades. we traded the very best one ever at the peak of his career and got spare parts in return... Luongo, currently the best goaltender, got traded twice for nothing... The market is just flooded with good goaltenders. I don't think we stand a chance in hell to get a franchise forward in exchange of Price but I was curious to see just how sold fans were to the Price hype. |
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Post by MC Habber on Oct 15, 2007 15:23:44 GMT -5
Luongo, currently the best goaltender, got traded twice for nothing Wow, that was a bad trade. Still, you could argue that the GMs who traded Roy and Luongo the first time were not exactly the brightest. The second time Luongo was traded was because he was unhappy in Florida and it was for Bertuzzi, which was a risk that didn't pan out for the Panthers, but it did have a chance to work out well for them. So good goalies may be worth a little more than you think. But, with so many of them out there, it may no longer be possible (or at least it may be harder) for an elite goalie to win the Cup almost single-handedly. |
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Post by The Habsome One on Oct 17, 2007 17:34:58 GMT -5
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 17, 2007 17:54:03 GMT -5
Jeezzz ... the question is like "What would you do with a million dollars" ... You don't have a million dollars, but it is always fun to sit down and imagine what you could do with it, if you won the lottery. We are sitting on a asset ... an assest that ALSO may not be the missing piece (it was never goaltending that was Montreal's problem). But who, in a perfect world, (ie that means whoever we want, the other team is willing to give us him), would you be satisfied to get in a trade for Price? Well put Skilly. If I owned the Canadiens (which I don't) and the Pen's offered Crosby (which they won't) I would offer Price (who I don't have) and my mother (who I do have and is nearing the end of her contract). |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 17, 2007 20:15:52 GMT -5
and my mother (who I do have and is nearing the end of her contract). Isn't she washed up ... ;D .... Seriously though, she must be close to 80-90, and I bet she skates better than half the Habs. |
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Post by The Habsome One on Oct 17, 2007 20:57:09 GMT -5
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Post by HFTO on Oct 17, 2007 21:59:56 GMT -5
As bad a we want offense we need the lights out goalie if price is the guy the Habs will contend sooner than latter......or maybes thats sooner or later.
HFTO
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