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Post by Doc Holliday on Oct 17, 2007 7:18:04 GMT -5
A rumor from Yvon Pedneault has it that Keenan is interested in Kovalev and not to pleased with Alex Tanguay. Salaries are close, Kovalev is off to a great start and has been rumored out of Montreal before...
It makes a certain sense. Anyone from the West can give an honnest opinion on Tanguay ?
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Post by Polarice on Oct 17, 2007 7:55:06 GMT -5
I dunno, Tanguay and Kovalev are pretty similar in performance. I think I would keep Kovalev, he has more potential to bring the big goal when the team needs it.
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Post by BadCompany on Oct 17, 2007 8:48:19 GMT -5
Pedneault also mentioned that following a recent Calgary win the entire team went out for a beer afterwards... with the exception of Tanguay...
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Post by jkr on Oct 17, 2007 9:12:40 GMT -5
Pedneault also mentioned that following a recent Calgary win the entire team went out for a beer afterwards... with the exception of Tanguay... Maybe he's a wine drinker - just what is needed on this team.  |
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 17, 2007 9:31:04 GMT -5
Pedneault also mentioned that following a recent Calgary win the entire team went out for a beer afterwards... with the exception of Tanguay... Maybe he's a wine drinker - just what is needed on this team. Wine or whine? |
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Post by duster on Oct 17, 2007 10:24:13 GMT -5
Better the devil you know than the one you don't. Polarice is right. They are both very similar skill set wise. I would prefer Kovalev in the playoffs over Tanguay. Not only is Kovalev stronger physically, but he has an edge (when motivated) that Tanguay will never have. I can see why Keenan is not a fan.
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Post by halihab on Oct 17, 2007 10:32:41 GMT -5
Tanguay won't be the only player wanting out of Calgary in the near future.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 17, 2007 10:44:36 GMT -5
Tanguay won't be the only player wanting out of Calgary in the near future. Figure Iron Mike might have something to do with that HH? Tough call though; Tanguay for Kovalev straight up. Mind you whose to say this is what Kovalev had in mind when he went public with criticisms of Carbonneau. Then again it could be as BC suggests; Kovalev-the-opportunist. Who knows. But, a trade like this would still be a very tough call. Cheers. |
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Post by halihab on Oct 17, 2007 10:50:00 GMT -5
Tanguay won't be the only player wanting out of Calgary in the near future. Figure Iron Mike might have something to do with that HH? Tough call though; Tanguay for Kovalev straight up. Mind you whose to say this is what Kovalev had in mind when he went public with criticisms of Carbonneau. Then again it could be as BC suggests; Kovalev-the-opportunist. Who knows. But, a trade like this would still be a very tough call. Cheers. You're right, Mad Mike at work again. The trade is a tough call. For the money, i'd rather keep Kovalev I think. |
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Post by blny on Oct 17, 2007 11:23:41 GMT -5
I wouldn't go for it. I don't think Tanguay improves our lineup, and the point of trades that aren't salary dumps is to improve the lineup. If Keenan wants to talk about the plethora of good defencemen they have, then I'd be all ears. That said, despite his shortcomings, I'm inclined to keep Kovalev unless a deal too good to be true comes across the table.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Oct 17, 2007 11:29:35 GMT -5
1 thing to consider too: Tanguay is almost 9 years younger than Kovy.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 17, 2007 11:39:52 GMT -5
1 thing to consider too: Tanguay is almost 9 years younger than Kovy. Something I didn't think about for sure, Doc. One other thing though; hypothetically speaking, who would Kovalev be paired with in Calgary? Would he be butting in goals for Iginla? Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 17, 2007 12:11:45 GMT -5
Once again I find myself in the minority ... surprise surprise.
I like the trade. We would never get any better than Tanguay in a straight up trade for Kovalev.
Tanguay averages somewhere around 75 games a season. He is practically a point a game player, AND he is a left winger. If Pleky is the answer to our second line center (who knows), we have to find someone to play left wing on the first and second line (with Lats in limbo).
Tanguay-Koivu-Ryder
Higgins-Pleky-Kostitsyn
Plus he is a local guy, a marquee local guy , and not a plugger that they can jerk around
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Post by Doc Holliday on Oct 17, 2007 12:51:09 GMT -5
Once again I find myself in the minority ... surprise surprise. I'm on the fence personally but that is mostly because I've seen very little of Tanguay and I wasn't a Kovalev basher to begin with... ...as you said though, last summer everyone wanted Kovalev gone, waived, bought back, kicked out, etc... Now we wouldn't want Tanguay for him? Mmmmmmm.... |
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Post by HabSolute on Oct 17, 2007 12:53:37 GMT -5
Once again I find myself in the minority ... surprise surprise. I like the trade. We would never get any better than Tanguay in a straight up trade for Kovalev. Tanguay averages somewhere around 75 games a season. He is practically a point a game player, AND he is a left winger. If Pleky is the answer to our second line center (who knows), we have to find someone to play left wing on the first and second line (with Lats in limbo). Tanguay-Koivu-Ryder Higgins-Pleky-Kostitsyn Plus he is a local guy, a marquee local guy , and not a plugger that they can jerk around You are not alone.... I would do it too..... Even if I like Kovalev, you can feel that the next "scandal" is just around the corner, true or not..... The media are just waiting for the smallest thing to create another storm. Better we can get something good for him now than nothing later (Theo, Roy etc....)... Last summer, most people agreed that we couldn't give Kovalev away even if we wanted too. Now, if we can get Tanguay straight up for him,....go ahead, do it..... |
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Post by Andrew on Oct 17, 2007 15:05:14 GMT -5
I'm not 100% sold on Tanguay. He's put up good numbers, but always on a line with elite offensive talents (Sakic, Forsberg, Iginla). On our team he could easily turn into a 40-50 point player.
That said, we desperately need more finish on this team. Last night we demonstrated that we can control the play and buzz around in the offensive zone - but that doesn't matter on the score sheet.
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Post by Marvin on Oct 17, 2007 15:07:17 GMT -5
Being in Cgy, I get to see Tangauy play a fair amount. He's the type of player that doesn't necessarily stand out in a game, but then when you look at the scoresheet, you see that he got multiple points. He's no way as dynamic as Kovalev, but how many players in the league are? I'd make the trade solely based on the age difference.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 17, 2007 15:18:26 GMT -5
Listening to Toronto radio today, and they interviewed a jounalist from Montreal who was in the press box with Begin, Gorges, and Latendresse last night. They told him that everyone was really impressed with Kovalev this year. He's working hard and coming to play every night. AND, he's been a great guy in the room.
In the afternoon, another guest remarked that Kovalev has been one of Montreal's "toughest" players this year. And I'd have to agree that he is playing with more grit in his game. And because of that, the guest said that Tanguay is not that kind of player at all. He feels Montreal is better with Kovalev playing the way he is now than they would be with Tanguay.
More time will tell if Kovalev means business....but I liked what I heard today.
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Post by Cranky on Oct 17, 2007 17:11:25 GMT -5
I seem to recall some posts on Tanguay pointing our how soft he played. I don't trust Kovy but are we replacing one problem with another? If Keenan is getting rid of him, you can bet your bippy Tanguay is made of sugar and spices.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 17, 2007 17:44:43 GMT -5
1 thing to consider too: Tanguay is almost 9 years younger than Kovy. Kovalev is bigger, stronger and more talented. He is capable of producing more and singlehandedly turning around a big game. Trouble is, he doesn't do it often enough or reliably. Tanguay picks up lots of assists and makes the players around him better. Tanguay is younger. When both teams have assets that they are unhappy with, neither is likely to land a Crosby for a problem child. Length of contract and $$$ guarantees will undoubtedly play a role when you pick up someone elses problem, but if it means the end of the Kovalev frustrations for Montreal, be careful of the door on your way out! |
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Post by The Habsome One on Oct 17, 2007 17:55:49 GMT -5
I seem to recall some posts on Tanguay pointing our how soft he played. I don't trust Kovy but are we replacing one problem with another? If Keenan is getting rid of him, you can bet your bippy Tanguay is made of sugar and spices. But he's a much younger problem..and a Quebecer! |
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Post by Douper on Oct 17, 2007 18:24:00 GMT -5
Do it.
Here are my reasons why:
1. Kovalev's attitude 80% of the time is horrible.
2. Carbo coaches to please Kovalev (Linemates, etc)
3. Production:
Tanguay 537Games - 486 Points (54pts - 89 Playoff games)
Kovalev 996Games - 796 Points (84pts - 100 Playoff Games)
4. Age - 9 years difference. we get younger, quicker.
5. A real local boy star player....a start, one who could bring others?
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Post by Skilly on Oct 17, 2007 20:24:50 GMT -5
I'm not 100% sold on Tanguay. He's put up good numbers, but always on a line with elite offensive talents (Sakic, Forsberg, Iginla). On our team he could easily turn into a 40-50 point player. That said, we desperately need more finish on this team. Last night we demonstrated that we can control the play and buzz around in the offensive zone - but that doesn't matter on the score sheet. Wasn't Tanguay on a line with Hejduk? And isn't Tanguay on Calgary's second line, and Huselius on the first line? |
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Post by Marvin on Oct 17, 2007 20:41:36 GMT -5
Not sure where everyone is getting this 9 year age difference between Tanguay and Kovalev. Kovalev turned 34 this year, and Tanguay will be 28. That's 6 years.
Tanguay: Nov 21, 1979
Kovalev: Feb 24, 1973
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Post by HFTO on Oct 17, 2007 21:57:28 GMT -5
The 80 pt Tanguay would be better than the 50 pt Kovy if he could keep up that pace.
HFTO
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Post by Marvin on Oct 17, 2007 22:56:13 GMT -5
Tanguay also has a no trade clause.
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Post by habmeister on Oct 18, 2007 0:56:09 GMT -5
i'll make a point of watching calgary play over the next while and wade in on this later. i don't like trading kovalev because i believe he finally gets it and is showing it on the ice. off the ice might take another couple of weeks but after the stir his comment caused in the last 2 days i think maybe he will have gotten that too. or maybe not, but the on ice to me is always most important.
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Post by Bugsy on Oct 18, 2007 3:55:16 GMT -5
I think I'd make the trade!!
As good as Kovalev has been playing, there is ALWAYS the chance he won't be playing that good. He is the epitomy of high risk!!
Tanguay is a Quebecois who has 80 point ability! He may not be the "sniper" the Habs need, but Ryder is bound to start scoring soon. Pair him with Tanguay and it may be a fresh start!
Kostitsyn, I belive can replace Kovalev on RW. He may not have the puck dangling ability of #27, but Kostitsyn has a wicked slapshot, wicked wrister, can pass extremely well and likes to play strong along the boards. Higgins-Koivu-Kostitsyn might be an awesome combo but Plecanec on that line did extremely well down the stretch last season.
The move would be a good one, but the problem still remains as Carbonneau would still be coach!!
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 18, 2007 6:45:46 GMT -5
Listening to Toronto radio today, and they interviewed a jounalist from Montreal who was in the press box with Begin, Gorges, and Latendresse last night. They told him that everyone was really impressed with Kovalev this year. He's working hard and coming to play every night. AND, he's been a great guy in the room. In the afternoon, another guest remarked that Kovalev has been one of Montreal's "toughest" players this year. And I'd have to agree that he is playing with more grit in his game. And because of that, the guest said that Tanguay is not that kind of player at all. He feels Montreal is better with Kovalev playing the way he is now than they would be with Tanguay. More time will tell if Kovalev means business....but I liked what I heard today. This is good feedback, CH. Right from the start of the season Kovalev seems to be responding to Gainey's "how-about-Kovalev-getting-Grabovski-going" comment. He's been motivated, focused and worthy of that "A" on his jersey. MacKenzie may have been right in that Kovalev, being the veteran he is playing in Montreal, should know what the media is like by now. However, on Sportsdesk this morning, MacKenzie also acknowledged that Kovalev has been one of Montreal's best players this year. Seems to be blowing over now. Carbonneau didn't feel it was all that big a deal and Kovalev did approach his coach yesterday. Have to assume it was damage control. Things are good. Now, just beat Ottawa! Cheers. |
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Post by franko on Oct 18, 2007 8:25:46 GMT -5
Tanguay also has a no trade clause. Tempered by the fact that he has Keenan for a coach. How do you spell n-t-c w-a-i-v-e-d. |
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