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Post by Polarice on Oct 24, 2007 6:06:12 GMT -5
Watching the Ranger games last night, they were saying that BG was there scouting out some Ranger players.
Everyone know the Rangers are looking for defencemen, and we have plenty of them, who on the Ranger do you think BG is interested in?
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Post by Skilly on Oct 24, 2007 6:10:42 GMT -5
Marcel Hossa ... ;D
No seriously ... If I were Gainey it would be Martin Straka. The only guy who ever was able to get anything out of Kovalev. But knowing Gainey he was probably scouting Blair Betts.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 24, 2007 6:29:02 GMT -5
Last night Gainey had a look at players from both the Rangers and the Penguins.
Skilly, I went down the NY roster and other than Straka I honestly don't know who else Gainey would be looking at. Betts? Well, I think we're not too bad as far as checking line centres go.
Think he might have been looking at the Penguins too, guys?
Cheers.
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Post by Polarice on Oct 24, 2007 6:40:34 GMT -5
Think he might have been looking at the Penguins too, guys? Cheers. Could be, I was just going on what the guys on Verses were saying. OK, so let expand the question, who do you think he was looking at during the game? What is Pittsburgh lacking, goaltending? Fleury had a good game last night, but perhaps they're looking for some depth. I also agree that Straka would be the only player available on the Rangers, last year though people were saying that Jagr was available!? |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 24, 2007 7:00:44 GMT -5
Think he might have been looking at the Penguins too, guys? Cheers. Could be, I was just going on what the guys on Verses were saying. OK, so let expand the question, who do you think he was looking at during the game? What is Pittsburgh lacking, goaltending? Fleury had a good game last night, but perhaps they're looking for some depth. I also agree that Straka would be the only player available on the Rangers, last year though people were saying that Jagr was available!? Might as well have some fun with it. Like you said Fleury had a good game. However, his rebound control is still a concern. If I were Gainey I'd at least inquire as to the availability of Jordan Staal. And I think if I were anyone in the Pens organization, any talk about Staal would almost certainly included Halak in a multi-player deal. NYR? Man, I really don't know to tell you the truth. We mentioned Straka already. But, when I go down the roster I see a few overpaid over-hyped FAs and a few Jan Bulis'. Just don't know who they have on their roster other than Straka. And if Straka is the target are the Rangers looking for more than just defensive help? Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 24, 2007 7:11:30 GMT -5
On the Rangers it is Straka and Straka alone .... (Dis - Betts was a joke, seems all we get in trades is checking line centers.  ) On the Penguins. I'd say Gainey was looking at Maxime Talbot, Colby Armstrong, Adam Hall, Ryan Malone and possibly even Darryl Sydor. |
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Post by Polarice on Oct 24, 2007 7:27:56 GMT -5
On the Rangers it is Straka and Straka alone .... (Dis - Betts was a joke, seems all we get in trades is checking line centers. ) On the Penguins. I'd say Gainey was looking at Maxime Talbot, Colby Armstrong, Adam Hall, Ryan Malone and possibly even Darryl Sydor. Out of all those player the only names I'd be interested in would be Straka and maybe Sydor, the rest are just plumbers and we have enough of them. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 24, 2007 8:02:27 GMT -5
On the Rangers it is Straka and Straka alone .... (Dis - Betts was a joke, seems all we get in trades is checking line centers. ) On the Penguins. I'd say Gainey was looking at Maxime Talbot, Colby Armstrong, Adam Hall, Ryan Malone and possibly even Darryl Sydor. Out of all those player the only names I'd be interested in would be Straka and maybe Sydor, the rest are just plumbers and we have enough of them. Another veteran defenceman. I remember this guy in LA during the '93 Cup run. He'd help the blueline, there's no denying that. But, I keep thinking about O'Byrne in Hamilton. Cheers. |
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Post by franko on Oct 24, 2007 8:05:47 GMT -5
On the Rangers it is Straka and Straka alone .... (Dis - Betts was a joke, seems all we get in trades is checking line centers. ) On the Penguins. I'd say Gainey was looking at Maxime Talbot, Colby Armstrong, Adam Hall, Ryan Malone and possibly even Darryl Sydor. Armstrong: 1. so he wouldn't Saku. 2. because he would hit someone! 3. but I'd pas on him. Staal? [salivates]. But I think the Penguins are going to tough it out with Fleury. |
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Post by jkr on Oct 24, 2007 8:07:25 GMT -5
Marcel Hossa ... ;D No seriously ... If I were Gainey it would be Martin Straka. The only guy who ever was able to get anything out of Kovalev. But knowing Gainey he was probably scouting Blair Betts. LOL - you crack me up. ;D |
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Post by BadCompany on Oct 24, 2007 9:59:18 GMT -5
Think he might have been looking at the Penguins too, guys? The Penguins would make more sense to me, especially if you think Andre Savard might be trying to get some of "his guys" away from Montreal, and to Pittsburgh. I'm thinking specifically of Kostitsyin and Halak, two Savard picks (if I am not mistaken) who could benefit from a change of scenery... Blockbuster? Kostitsyin, Halak, Bouillon/Dandenault for Orpik and Malone? Unrelated to Gainey being at the Rangers-Penguins game, but what do you guys think of Jason Arnott? There is a connection to Gainey, from their Dallas days, he's a big second line center (right-shooting to boot), off to a pretty good start, and Nashville is in salary dump/rebuild mode, perhaps more so now that they've lost six in a row... |
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Post by ropoflu on Oct 24, 2007 10:09:46 GMT -5
Shanahan?
We know Gainey tried hard to sign him 16 monthes ago.
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Post by BadCompany on Oct 24, 2007 10:47:24 GMT -5
To throw more fuel on the fire, the Bulldogs and Hartford Wolf Pack (the Rangers' affiliate) just played each other last Saturday (the 20th). Don't know if anybody of significance was in attendance. Dogs won 2-1, with Halak stopping 26 of 27 shots.
Also, the Penguins do not have any right-shooting defensemen.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 24, 2007 11:15:49 GMT -5
Think he might have been looking at the Penguins too, guys? The Penguins would make more sense to me, especially if you think Andre Savard might be trying to get some of "his guys" away from Montreal, and to Pittsburgh. I'm thinking specifically of Kostitsyin and Halak, two Savard picks (if I am not mistaken) who could benefit from a change of scenery... Blockbuster? Kostitsyin, Halak, Bouillon/Dandenault for Orpik and Malone? Well, I looked up both Orpik and Malone on TSN and they seem to fit the Gainey-ish player bill. Big and strong with character and leadership. I also looked up what year O'Byrne. I read that he too was drafted in 2003, the same year as Kostitsyn. While Kosts and Halak are Savard draft picks so is O'Byrne I guess, and he's a right-handed shot to boot. However, the Penguins may appreciate having a veteran blueliner back there as well. What a difference a year makes. The Preds basically sold the farm to bring Forsberg on board and now they find themselves having to make tough financial decisions. Arnott's acquisition would make a few Northeast GMs sit up straight. The only questions for me would be: 1. His age, 33, and 2. Who goes the other way? I'd take him on the roster depending on what it would cost us, though. That aside, he's still an impact player who'd make a difference in Montreal. The more I think of it the more I'd at least ask about his availability. Cheers. |
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Post by clear observer on Oct 24, 2007 11:35:48 GMT -5
we need d-men
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Post by HabSolute on Oct 24, 2007 11:39:19 GMT -5
Arnott turned his back on Gainey and the Habs 2 years ago to go to Nashville.
Now that Nashville is going to.....
do we really want a guy that choose not to come here ?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 24, 2007 11:46:18 GMT -5
I don't know man. Just some mussings on the defence corps this year: * They seem to be head-manning the puck really well in recent games. * The crowd has been very accepting of Brisebois this year. He's made a few defensive gaffs but so have Markov and Komisarek (sometimes on the same shift). * Hamrlik has been a welcome edition. Steady as a rock. * Have a concern with Streit though. He's a good technical defenceman but seems to be easily taken off the puck. * We still have O'Byrne in the system and Gorges in the pressbox. I'm alright with the blueline right now. But, if another deal could be swung to improve it even more, then why not do it? Cheers. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Oct 24, 2007 12:20:45 GMT -5
As the lowest scoring team in the league right now, seems to me that the Rangers are either in dire need of firepower or in need of some guys to get the chemistry going...
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Post by Polarice on Oct 24, 2007 12:22:46 GMT -5
For what it worth Elks is saying the Habs are interested in Avery, in some sort of package deal.  |
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Post by clear observer on Oct 24, 2007 12:26:43 GMT -5
I don't know man. Just some mussings on the defence corps this year: * They seem to be head-manning the puck really well in recent games. * The crowd has been very accepting of Brisebois this year. He's made a few defensive gaffs but so have Markov and Komisarek (sometimes on the same shift). * Hamrlik has been a welcome edition. Steady as a rock. * Have a concern with Streit though. He's a good technical defenceman but seems to be easily taken off the puck. * We still have O'Byrne in the system and Gorges in the pressbox. I'm alright with the blueline right now. But, if another deal could be swung to improve it even more, then why not do it? Cheers. Yep...collectively they've been playing "O.K."...but ANYtime you have a team that features a 36 yr-old Patrice Brisebois on it's SECOND PAIRING, well, you know..... ...we need (more) d-men. |
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Post by HabSolute on Oct 24, 2007 12:28:22 GMT -5
For what it worth Elks is say the Habs are interested in Avery, in some sort of package deal. Is he not the guy that insulted French Canadian a couple of times ? Not sure Montreal is a good fit for him....! |
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Post by seventeen on Oct 24, 2007 12:40:06 GMT -5
One thing Orpik would bring is toughness. Malone doesn't get me partying. I've watched him a few times since the rumours indicated some interest from the Habs and while he's a big guy who can skate reasonably well, he just doesn't seem to get a lot of points (22 goals 44 points max for a guy who'll be 28 in December), especially considering he gets to play occasionally with Sidney. I'd consider Crosby from the pens  . I believe Straka's injured....took a slash on his hand and has (I believe) a broken thumb or finger. |
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Post by drkcloud on Oct 24, 2007 12:55:11 GMT -5
The only names on either rosters are essentially untouchable (staals). I think we should stay the course for now and see what happens. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Oct 24, 2007 12:59:28 GMT -5
Shanahan? We know Gainey tried hard to sign him 16 monthes ago. It's the first name that popped in my head as well... Shanahan - Ryder swap |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Oct 24, 2007 13:02:01 GMT -5
Also, the Penguins do not have any right-shooting defensemen. There were rumors of some interest from the Pens on Kovalev late last season... |
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Post by drkcloud on Oct 24, 2007 13:49:37 GMT -5
Shanahan? We know Gainey tried hard to sign him 16 monthes ago. It's the first name that popped in my head as well... Shanahan - Ryder swap Why? This could be it for Shanahan and he brings the same as Ryder essentially. If we are going to lose Ryder why not wait until we can get more for him like maybe the trade deadline? |
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Post by habmeister on Oct 24, 2007 14:03:00 GMT -5
It's the first name that popped in my head as well... Shanahan - Ryder swap Why? This could be it for Shanahan and he brings the same as Ryder essentially. If we are going to lose Ryder why not wait until we can get more for him like maybe the trade deadline? more than shanahan? why wait until the deadline if we can get shanny now? this is of course assuming that ryder is flying away via ufa next summer, if we can lock him up for a good price for 3 years i'd like to keep ryder. but as i've said since before the current contract $3mil is about right for ryder no more. |
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Post by drkcloud on Oct 24, 2007 15:11:02 GMT -5
Why? This could be it for Shanahan and he brings the same as Ryder essentially. If we are going to lose Ryder why not wait until we can get more for him like maybe the trade deadline? more than shanahan? why wait until the deadline if we can get shanny now? this is of course assuming that ryder is flying away via ufa next summer, if we can lock him up for a good price for 3 years i'd like to keep ryder. but as i've said since before the current contract $3mil is about right for ryder no more. Because Shanahan is done |
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Post by Douper on Oct 24, 2007 15:15:42 GMT -5
I say Bouillon goes to Pittsburgh if any deal happens and Christensen (48pts in 101G) comes back to Montreal. EC is getting about 10min per game in Pitts and last year he scored 18 in 61. www.nhl.com/nhl/app?service=page&page=PlayerDetail&playerId=8470299&tab=crstAs for the Rangers, they can't score... Would they sacrifice the future for a Michael Ryder? Ryder + Pick or Young prospect for Marc Staal? |
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Post by jkr on Oct 24, 2007 15:23:55 GMT -5
more than shanahan? why wait until the deadline if we can get shanny now? this is of course assuming that ryder is flying away via ufa next summer, if we can lock him up for a good price for 3 years i'd like to keep ryder. but as i've said since before the current contract $3mil is about right for ryder no more. Because Shanahan is done It would be a swap of UFAs to be & Shanahan is about 10 years older & has already turned down the Habs once. I agree, don't want him now. |
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