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Post by jkr on Oct 24, 2007 15:25:23 GMT -5
Write it up now why Skilly finds his lucky pen.  |
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Post by PTH on Oct 24, 2007 18:48:39 GMT -5
The Habs are doing reasonably well, the Rangers are in deep trouble, this would be the right time to make a trade with them.
As to where we need help.... while I agree with CO that our D is iffy, the fact is that with McDonagh (and to a lesser extent Fischer) on their way, in addition to a strong top-3, this isn't the time to get a big name on D. But guys like Dandy, Bouillon, Streit, etc, are expendable if someone wants a body on D.
However, I don't see that many potential deals..... I'd be looking at guys like Prucha, or Tyutin on the Rangers... Prucha isn't scoring on a team that needs scoring.... him for Ryder might actually make sense.
Straka.... while he might get Kovalev going, we have a lot of bodies up front already and I wonder who's expendable and has value.
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Post by Skilly on Oct 24, 2007 21:23:41 GMT -5
Straka.... while he might get Kovalev going, we have a lot of bodies up front already and I wonder who's expendable and has value. But that's the whole point. We have bodies up front who do not work well with who they are with and we have bodies on lower lines that are being misused because we don't have the right depth up front. We, thats the collective board here, have suggested about 100 different line combos since training camp in an effort to get three strong lines. But we never had the depth, or the was chemistry issues ..... Just imagine Latendresse-Koivu-Ryder Smolinski-Staka-Kovalev Higgins-Plekanec-Kostitsyn Begin-Chipchura-Kostopolous No Murray, no defense on forward (although Dandy has done a fine job). I've said before if we trade Ryder in a one for one deal it amount to a lateral move ... we are still faced with only 5 decent forwards to make three good lines out of. If we trade now, we have to use our prospects and d-depth to get that forward .... any trade involving Ryder would have to be when we are sure we are the real deal without him. (in other words when we are in a position of strength) |
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Post by Cranky on Oct 25, 2007 0:18:56 GMT -5
Also, the Penguins do not have any right-shooting defensemen. There were rumors of some interest from the Pens on Kovalev late last season... Nods...... |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 25, 2007 7:49:01 GMT -5
Could be Gainey was just scouting the Pens for Saturday night too guys ... who knows.
Cheers.
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Post by habmeister on Oct 25, 2007 10:53:06 GMT -5
you mean a gm doing advance scouting? possible i guess, but much more likely scouting out players to trade for. because we all know how great our nhl scouts are, bob is doing the job himself now.
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Post by HabbaDasher on Oct 25, 2007 11:17:50 GMT -5
Kovalev back to the Rangers or Pens?
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Post by Doc Holliday on Oct 25, 2007 13:55:23 GMT -5
Kovalev back to the Rangers or Pens? ...I doubt Sather wants him back but he was really appreciated during his tenure in Pittsburgh. |
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Post by seventeen on Oct 25, 2007 15:32:34 GMT -5
But that's the whole point. We have bodies up front who do not work well with who they are with and we have bodies on lower lines that are being misused because we don't have the right depth up front. I've said before if we trade Ryder in a one for one deal it amount to a lateral move ... we are still faced with only 5 decent forwards to make three good lines out of. If we trade now, we have to use our prospects and d-depth to get that forward .... any trade involving Ryder would have to be when we are sure we are the real deal without him. (in other words when we are in a position of strength) But we've been playing Kostitsyn out of position all along. He was most effective last year as the right winger with Pleks and Higgins. Naturally he was playing with two pretty good players, but he fit right in. Not that I'm trying to trade Ryder cause I'm not, but if....if he were traded for someone other than a right winger, then Kostitsyn simply slots in on one of the top 2 lines. Not saying it would be any better, just that it's a possibility and depending on who we get, likely not a lateral move. |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 25, 2007 17:52:43 GMT -5
But that's the whole point. We have bodies up front who do not work well with who they are with and we have bodies on lower lines that are being misused because we don't have the right depth up front. I've said before if we trade Ryder in a one for one deal it amount to a lateral move ... we are still faced with only 5 decent forwards to make three good lines out of. If we trade now, we have to use our prospects and d-depth to get that forward .... any trade involving Ryder would have to be when we are sure we are the real deal without him. (in other words when we are in a position of strength) But we've been playing Kostitsyn out of position all along. He was most effective last year as the right winger with Pleks and Higgins. Naturally he was playing with two pretty good players, but he fit right in. Not that I'm trying to trade Ryder cause I'm not, but if....if he were traded for someone other than a right winger, then Kostitsyn simply slots in on one of the top 2 lines. Not saying it would be any better, just that it's a possibility and depending on who we get, likely not a lateral move. How does any trade where we have to replace a 30 goal man in the top six with a virtual rookie not a lateral move? Any trade that gets us a top six guy and we keep Ryder (without losing any of the other top six guys) means that Kostitsyn can go to the position he has played the best for us ... on the right side of Higgins and Plekanec. Carbo can not put that line back together because we are so thin in the top six. |
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Post by seventeen on Oct 25, 2007 19:17:14 GMT -5
It's not a lateral move for two reasons. 1) Kostitsyn with Higgins and Pleks was a darn good line last year. 2) You haven't factored in who we get for Ryder. If it's a D-man or solid 2nd line centre, then you have improvement in that area. Now my preference is that we trade Kovalev and have Kost slide into his slot. Like I said, I'm not keen on trading Ryder.
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Post by blny on Oct 25, 2007 19:27:52 GMT -5
Christensen from Pitt is interesting. He's a very skilled player that seems to be getting lost in the shuffle there. I love Straka's game. He's got a lot of skill, plays hard for his size, and can score as well as pass. The only problem is the injuries. He gets hurt A LOT.
FWIW, I think Plekanec and Kovalev are starting to gel. Things are better at this point in the season than they were at any point last year, and I think they should be given more time to see if things plateau or can get even better.
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Post by zenseeker on Oct 30, 2007 18:18:43 GMT -5
I was hoping for Colton Orr coming our way for a late draft pick. This would be a top 10 enforcer on the upswing. Uber enforcer/team toughness solved.
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