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Post by jkr on Dec 14, 2007 19:03:15 GMT -5
so take it with a grain of salt: Andy McDonald to the Blues for Doug Weight. I can't find this anywhere else. Maybe the reporter jumped the gun. NHLnumbers.com says their salaries are the same so I don't see how this helps with their cap problems. www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=11836 |
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Post by cigarviper on Dec 14, 2007 20:50:55 GMT -5
+ a 7th in 08! The cap space needed to be cleared for next year which this accomplishes by Weight being a UFA this July. McDonald is signed through next year. I can't say I understand how next year's salaries affect this year's roster but this is how it's being explained. I thought Gainey was high on McDonald.  Surely a repressive Ryder is more valuable than a washed up Weight...no? I woulda upted the ante to include a 6th in 08. Gainey  |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 14, 2007 20:53:27 GMT -5
TSN just reported it as being done ... and we hear more about this 2.5 million "tagging" room ... whatever that means.
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Post by franko on Dec 14, 2007 21:00:44 GMT -5
Means they have to leave "just in case" room for next year's salaries. They now have room to play around with so they can sign Perry that they wouldn't have otherwise if they'd kept MacDonald.
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Post by Roggy on Dec 14, 2007 21:37:26 GMT -5
The problem with bringing Neidermayer back for this year was that he still had 2 years on his contract. Teams are not allowed to go over the cap for the upcoming season also, and with Kunitz getting a raise already for next year, Niedermayer being on the books next year put Anaheim over next years cap as well (they just use this years number as a limit on the contracts a team can have for upcoming years). Anaheim's problem will be solved once he signs retirement papers after the season. They will then be able to spend his cap space on Perry.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 14, 2007 22:02:47 GMT -5
Good trade for the Blues. McDonald's a solid two way player. Skates like the wind. Weight passes wind.
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Post by jkr on Dec 15, 2007 8:19:02 GMT -5
It was being reported that the Ducks needed 880K this year. If that's true this doesn't help because their salaries are very similar.
I know Burke is a good GM but some of his moves surprise me:
- 4 million /year for 2 years for Bertuzzi. Not doing that deal would have solved a lot of his problems.
- giving Bryzgalov away
- taking a over the hill guy like Weight who will soon be 38 in place of McDonald.
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Post by jkr on Dec 15, 2007 8:21:46 GMT -5
+ a 7th in 08! The cap space needed to be cleared for next year which this accomplishes by Weight being a UFA this July. McDonald is signed through next year. I can't say I understand how next year's salaries affect this year's roster but this is how it's being explained. I thought Gainey was high on McDonald. Surely a repressive Ryder is more valuable than a washed up Weight...no? I woulda upted the ante to include a 6th in 08. Gainey There were rumors in the summer that BG was interested (Eklund). He is coming of 85 & 78 point seasons & is only 30 years old. |
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Post by cigarviper on Dec 15, 2007 9:30:41 GMT -5
It was being reported that the Ducks needed 880K this year. If that's true this doesn't help because their salaries are very similar. I know Burke is a good GM but some of his moves surprise me: - 4 million /year for 2 years for Bertuzzi. Not doing that deal would have solved a lot of his problems. - giving Bryzgalov away - taking a over the hill guy like Weight who will soon be 38 in place of McDonald. I don't understand the Bryzgalov giveaway. Are other gms really that stingy? But, this move really kills two birds with one stone. Making room for Scott Neidermeyer now while also leaving cap space to resign Corey Perry long term next year - or probably later this year. I doubt he'll let him go to rfa status. I'm sure he's learned his lesson. Has Gainey? In answer to my own question: Weight gives the team a proven playoff performer for the Cup run and Ryder would have given them...what...another warm body? |
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Post by jkr on Dec 15, 2007 11:51:47 GMT -5
It was being reported that the Ducks needed 880K this year. If that's true this doesn't help because their salaries are very similar. I know Burke is a good GM but some of his moves surprise me: - 4 million /year for 2 years for Bertuzzi. Not doing that deal would have solved a lot of his problems. - giving Bryzgalov away - taking a over the hill guy like Weight who will soon be 38 in place of McDonald. I don't understand the Bryzgalov giveaway. Are other gms really that stingy? But, this move really kills two birds with one stone. Making room for Scott Neidermeyer now while also leaving cap space to resign Corey Perry long term next year - or probably later this year. I doubt he'll let him go to rfa status. I'm sure he's learned his lesson. Has Gainey? In answer to my own question: Weight gives the team a proven playoff performer for the Cup run and Ryder would have given them...what...another warm body? Weight will be 37 in January & has 11 points in 29 games, one more than Ryder who is 10 years younger. Plus I don't see where the cap space comes from for this year, the salaries of Weight & McDonald are almost the same. I haven't seen any Blues games but Weight's numbers are scary & not in a good way. |
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Post by cigarviper on Dec 15, 2007 12:13:42 GMT -5
I don't understand the Bryzgalov giveaway. Are other gms really that stingy? But, this move really kills two birds with one stone. Making room for Scott Neidermeyer now while also leaving cap space to resign Corey Perry long term next year - or probably later this year. I doubt he'll let him go to rfa status. I'm sure he's learned his lesson. Has Gainey? In answer to my own question: Weight gives the team a proven playoff performer for the Cup run and Ryder would have given them...what...another warm body? Weight will be 37 in January & has 11 points in 29 games, one more than Ryder who is 10 years younger. Plus I don't see where the cap space comes from for this year, the salaries of Weight & McDonald are almost the same. I haven't seen any Blues games but Weight's numbers are scary & not in a good way. I was just coming back to edit my post with regards to that. My mistake, another move has to be made to free up cap space before Neidermeyer returns to the ice which I think is now closer to a million. McDonald was at 3.3M and Weight is at 3.5M. Clear as mud. |
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Post by BadCompany on Dec 16, 2007 19:15:08 GMT -5
Actually no, the Ducks are fine for both this year, and next year.
They didn't need to free up any money for this year at all, what they needed to do was free up $800,000 for next year. So they traded a guy who was going to make over $3 million next year for a UFA, who is not slated to make anything. So instead of clearing up $800,000, they actually cleared up over $3 million (which is why they now have room to resign Corey Perry).
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Post by seventeen on Dec 16, 2007 22:32:29 GMT -5
If they can get Perry for $3MM a year. I sense another CAP problem arising. Not a bad position to be in though, to have your cornerstone people tied up long term. You can surround them with plumbers with ill fitting jeans and still win.
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Post by BadCompany on Dec 17, 2007 9:17:56 GMT -5
$3 million plus whatever Perry is making this year, of course.  |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Dec 17, 2007 13:08:36 GMT -5
...I don't know.... you keep on losing good player for nothing, it'll eventually catch up. Anaheim had amazing depth and Burke is going though it faster than Rita McNeil on a nutribar.
I wasn't high on McD myself and feel he really doesn't bring anything we didn't already have. Smallish, Softish, Quickish, responsible defnesively. It's Plekanec.
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Post by Habit on Dec 17, 2007 14:05:57 GMT -5
How many times will the Blues trade away Weight and then resign him?
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Post by franko on Dec 17, 2007 16:09:46 GMT -5
How many times will the Blues trade away Weight and then resign him? until he loses the pictures . . . |
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Post by jkr on Dec 17, 2007 18:59:30 GMT -5
...I don't know.... you keep on losing good player for nothing, it'll eventually catch up. Anaheim had amazing depth and Burke is going though it faster than Rita McNeil on a nutribar. LOL, that's quite funny Doc. As you say Burke has given up Bryzgalov & McDonald for little return. He's also handed out a really inflated contract to Bertuzzi that eats up his cap space. |
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Post by MC Habber on Dec 17, 2007 22:46:51 GMT -5
Burke had promised Bryzgalov out in order to keep him happy, so he had to move him to preserve his reputation, and the other GMs knew it, so that's probably why Burke got nothing.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 18, 2007 1:30:49 GMT -5
It's a CAP world after all. GM's don't have a choice. You either sign your core people to long term deals or lose them as UFA's or RFA's. The RFA's especially hurt, because they're younger and more likely to have primo years ahead of them. It won't be long before every team signs their core youngsters to big dollars, leaving less available for UFA's, which is the way it should be.
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Surely a repressive Ryder is more valuable than a washed up Weight...no? I woulda upted the ante to include a 6th in 08.
