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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 26, 2008 12:25:57 GMT -5
Just read that Mike Keenan told a Minneapolis newspaper that Jokinen might benefit from a changed of scenery. However, the same link cites that Calgary might be willing to move Tanguay for him.
I heard he can be a head case but I'm wondering if it might have to do with his environment.
Two Finn centres on the roster? Do we have the horses for this guy? Do we have what Mike Keenan might be looking for?
Then again, it could be all smoke and mirrors.
Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2008 12:38:38 GMT -5
It would be a big mistake for Florida to get rid of this guy, considering the Panthers are really close to being a competitive team. They've taken bigger strides this year than a lot of teams, so giving him up really makes absolutely no sense.
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Post by CrocRob on Jan 26, 2008 13:20:59 GMT -5
Jokinen isn't a winner, and that's not something I want on the team if we have to overpay for it.
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Post by Andrew on Jan 26, 2008 14:23:02 GMT -5
Just read that Mike Keenan told a Minneapolis newspaper that Jokinen might benefit from a changed of scenery. However, the same link cites that Calgary might be willing to move Tanguay for him. I heard he can be a head case but I'm wondering if it might have to do with his environment. Two Finn centres on the roster? Do we have the horses for this guy? Do we have what Mike Keenan might be looking for? Then again, it could be all smoke and mirrors. Cheers. Jokinen is an extremel valuable asset. He's 29 and under contract for two more seasons at 5M / year - relatively inexpensive for a big and durable first line center that's put up 89 and 91 points in his last two seasons (and missed a total of seven games over the course of the last seven seasons). The most logical fit would be Plekanec and a top prospect / pick for Jokinen (I can't imaging that they'd let him go within the conference for less than that). |
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Post by jkr on Jan 26, 2008 18:50:53 GMT -5
Jokinen isn't a winner, and that's not something I want on the team if we have to overpay for it. Not sure exactly what you mean by that. You could say the same thing about Luongo before he left Florida. |
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Post by jkr on Jan 26, 2008 18:54:55 GMT -5
Just read that Mike Keenan told a Minneapolis newspaper that Jokinen might benefit from a changed of scenery. However, the same link cites that Calgary might be willing to move Tanguay for him. I heard he can be a head case but I'm wondering if it might have to do with his environment. Two Finn centres on the roster? Do we have the horses for this guy? Do we have what Mike Keenan might be looking for? Then again, it could be all smoke and mirrors. Cheers. Jokinen is an extremel valuable asset. He's 29 and under contract for two more seasons at 5M / year - relatively inexpensive for a big and durable first line center that's put up 89 and 91 points in his last two seasons (and missed a total of seven games over the course of the last seven seasons). The most logical fit would be Plekanec and a top prospect / pick for Jokinen (I can't imaging that they'd let him go within the conference for less than that). Can't see BG trading Plekanec now unless it was for a true impact player like Lecavalier. He's the de facto #1 centre now and is probably the heir apparent to Koivu. The Habs need to acquire Koivu's replacement without giving up Plekanec. |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 27, 2008 15:13:54 GMT -5
Jokinen is an extremel valuable asset. He's 29 and under contract for two more seasons at 5M / year - relatively inexpensive for a big and durable first line center that's put up 89 and 91 points in his last two seasons (and missed a total of seven games over the course of the last seven seasons). The most logical fit would be Plekanec and a top prospect / pick for Jokinen (I can't imaging that they'd let him go within the conference for less than that). Can't see BG trading Plekanec now unless it was for a true impact player like Lecavalier. He's the de facto #1 centre now and is probably the heir apparent to Koivu. The Habs need to acquire Koivu's replacement without giving up Plekanec. I think you're probably right in that regard. I just highly doubt that Florida would consider any proposal for Jokinen that didin't include one of Plekanec, Higgins, Komisarek, or Price. |
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Post by HFTO on Jan 30, 2008 21:30:55 GMT -5
Would you trade Ryder and Koivu plus a d man prospect instead of a Plekanec?It solves your size problem and gives you more scoring power without touching your young core,certainly since it seems this is Kovy's team now?
Would Florida go for it? or are they hell bent on a younger player?They have youth but could use some leadership?This would be a shocker and a curious twist to the rumours surrounding Oli and the Habs?
HFTO
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Post by Anardil1 on Jan 30, 2008 22:40:25 GMT -5
Would you trade Ryder and Koivu plus a d man prospect instead of a Plekanec?It solves your size problem and gives you more scoring power without touching your young core,certainly since it seems this is Kovy's team now? Would Florida go for it? or are they hell bent on a younger player?They have youth but could use some leadership?This would be a shocker and a curious twist to the rumours surrounding Oli and the Habs? HFTO If the d-man prospect is 1 of Fischer, Carle, Subban, or Weber...done deal! If they insist on one from the group of Emelin, Valentenko, O'Byrne, or McDonagh. No deal. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 31, 2008 14:15:48 GMT -5
Apparently the Flames and Panthers have been talking about Jokinen. Dreger: A centre would improve Flames
Darren Dreger
1/31/2008 1:41:50 PM
Although far from the finish line, word from inside the Calgary Flames organization is that the team believes they're on the right track.
Team fitness testing on Monday showed improvement on preseason evaluations that were, at that time, considered impressive.
In goal, star netminder Miikka Kiprusoff has relief in house as Curtis Joseph has proven in the short time he's been a Flame that he's game-ready.
However, as the team emerges from the All-Star break with visions of a Northwest Division title and a 100 point season, Flames general manager Darryl Sutter recognizes he has at least one missing piece.
He needs a playmaker who can handle the heavy-lifting and help Jarome Iginla remain a scoring threat on every shift.
Calgary's wish list will start with Peter Forsberg. Until the two-time Stanley Cup Champion declares otherwise, the Flames believe he's an option. It's an upgrade that requires only cap space, and the team has that.
Mats Sundin's status will be carefully monitored as well.
The Toronto Maple Leafs have yet to ask their captain to waive his no-trade clause and while some believe Sundin will decline if asked, the Flames are expected to be a player if given the opportunity.
Sources say the Flames and Florida Panthers have already discussed Calgary's interest in Olli Jokinen, but the asking price is high - believed to be forward Alex Tanguay and a young player or a prospect.
Forsberg, Sundin and Jokinen are longshots and may never be available or attainable.
However, there is a sense the Flames see a lot of promise in this season, and while Feb. 26 may come and go without significant change, there is an appetite to swing for the fence with less than a month to go.www.tsn.ca/tsn_talent/columnists/darren_dreger/?id=228610 |
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Post by habmeister on Jan 31, 2008 15:51:01 GMT -5
Jokinen isn't a winner, and that's not something I want on the team if we have to overpay for it. Not sure exactly what you mean by that. You could say the same thing about Luongo before he left Florida. and koivu ;D |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 31, 2008 16:24:15 GMT -5
Would you trade Ryder and Koivu plus a d man prospect instead of a Plekanec?It solves your size problem and gives you more scoring power without touching your young core,certainly since it seems this is Kovy's team now? Would Florida go for it? or are they hell bent on a younger player?They have youth but could use some leadership?This would be a shocker and a curious twist to the rumours surrounding Oli and the Habs? HFTO I don't think that Florida would be interested in trading for an older, and less durable first line center - with less years under contract. And Ryder's value is so low right now that he'd only be a throw in if we traded him. Florida will have their sights on Plekanec, A. Kostitsyn, or Higgins (plus at least one other substantial asset). I'm convinced that no deal involving Jokinen will happen otherwise. I would not trade Plekanec. He's young, smart, and has a great attitude - and just keeps on getting better. He seems happy in Montreal, and should be locked up long term IMO. |
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Post by CrocRob on Jan 31, 2008 16:47:13 GMT -5
Not sure exactly what you mean by that. You could say the same thing about Luongo before he left Florida. and koivu ;D What I mean is that he's been the captain of the Panthers for years, and to me he's never demonstrated the leadership that's necessary to get a team to work together. Despite different coaches and management, the team is always dysfunctional and Jokinen's never been able to rally the troops. They always perform worse than the sum of their parts would suggest they could. Maybe he's just not a leader, which is fine, but if he's not a leader then he shouldn't be wearing the C, which is his decision. I'm also always worrisome about players who have "gotten used" to losing. |
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Post by habmeister on Jan 31, 2008 17:31:01 GMT -5
What I mean is that he's been the captain of the Panthers for years, and to me he's never demonstrated the leadership that's necessary to get a team to work together. Despite different coaches and management, the team is always dysfunctional and Jokinen's never been able to rally the troops. They always perform worse than the sum of their parts would suggest they could. Maybe he's just not a leader, which is fine, but if he's not a leader then he shouldn't be wearing the C, which is his decision. I'm also always worrisome about players who have "gotten used" to losing. i think his teams have for the most part sucked the big one, and wayne gretzky or mark messier in their primes wouldn't have made a difference. quick name some of his teammates from years past? i love jokinen, think he's one of the most under rated, under the radar players in the game. i'm sure he's tired of the situation in florida, like richards is with tampa. but as far as skill and grit goes jokinen imo is one of the top in the game. |
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