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Post by franko on Feb 5, 2008 18:55:50 GMT -5
Murray Wilson, interviewed on Team1200 this afternoon:
Gainey is indeed talking about Hossa; Higgins is one of the desired players but Bob won't give him up . . . Chips might be in the mix; Gainey has permission to talk with Hossa's agent about a contract, if they can work something out the two teams will continue to talk.
Take it fwiw.
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Post by jkr on Feb 5, 2008 19:22:45 GMT -5
Murray Wilson, interviewed on Team1200 this afternoon: Gainey is indeed talking about Hossa; Higgins is one of the desired players but Bob won't give him up . . . Chips might be in the mix; Gainey has permission to talk with Hossa's agent about a contract, if they can work something out the two teams will continue to talk. Take it fwiw. Interesting. I didn't know Wilson was that plugged in. |
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Post by blny on Feb 5, 2008 19:36:49 GMT -5
Neither did I jkr. Not sure what it means. Wilson is a new source for fodder, does that give him something of an instant credibility? Hard to say.
It would be really hard to give up Higgins, because I think he's a great player. Hossa, locked up long term is a tantalizing prospect. I'd much rather move Ryder in the deal. I wonder if both sides could work out deals with the impending UFA players. Makes for a much more complicated trade though. If Higgins had to be in the deal to make it happen, it IMO lessens the rest of the components in the deal - as Chris isn't enough to do a straight up deal.
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Post by jimmyjazz on Feb 5, 2008 20:52:21 GMT -5
hypoteticaly, if we got hossa and he got around 7 mil a year, how would that play out against the cap for next season? I'd love to have hossa, but Plekanec and Komisarek are going to ask for one hell of a raise, so I was wondering how would things pan out.
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Post by Cranky on Feb 5, 2008 23:02:57 GMT -5
Absolutely NO to a Higgins trade. I hate myself but I rather trade Koivu for Hossa then Higgins. I simply can not stand the thought of losing Komi along with Higs.
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Post by HabSolute on Feb 6, 2008 9:35:20 GMT -5
Murray Wilson, interviewed on Team1200 this afternoon: Gainey is indeed talking about Hossa; Higgins is one of the desired players but Bob won't give him up . . . Chips might be in the mix; Gainey has permission to talk with Hossa's agent about a contract, if they can work something out the two teams will continue to talk. Take it fwiw. on that subject.... www.tsn.ca/blogs/mckenzie/?id=228991 |
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Post by blny on Feb 6, 2008 9:51:18 GMT -5
Thanks for the link habsolute.
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Post by HabSolute on Feb 6, 2008 10:04:41 GMT -5
Thanks for the link habsolute. Bienvenue,.... I have this funny feeling that those rumors are true (even if they are denied) and Gainey will pull the rabbit out of the hat... What else will the Atlanta GM say.... : "yes, it's true, we have given up on Hossa ?" I think Hossa will wear a Habs jersey in the near future.... Lots of Euro here, passionate city, he would like it ! |
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Post by CrocRob on Feb 6, 2008 10:28:07 GMT -5
Hossa seems like the best available Gainey-type player. Responsible two-way player who can play in our puck possession scheme, and lifting some teammates at the same time.
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Post by blny on Feb 6, 2008 10:38:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the link habsolute. Bienvenue,.... I have this funny feeling that those rumors are true (even if they are denied) and Gainey will pull the rabbit out of the hat... What else will the Atlanta GM say.... : "yes, it's true, we have given up on Hossa ?" I think Hossa will wear a Habs jersey in the near future.... Lots of Euro here, passionate city, he would like it ! I don't disagree, but I'm not gonna hold my breath either  . |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Feb 6, 2008 11:18:46 GMT -5
Like many have said, the risk of giving up a core player like Higgins for a potential rent-a-player is dangerous. When you look at the Ryan Smyth trade last year, the Isles gave up two former 1st round picks (Nilsson & O'Marra) and a future 1st but only Nilsson is playing in the NHL and he's not really contributing yet.
On the other hand, management may be looking at the roster as seeing the emergence of A. Kostitsyn, the potential of S. Kositsyn and Latendresse and feel that Higgins (who is signed through next year and will be RFA the year after) may be expendable. We all like Higgins' energy, hands, quickness, two-way play but what is his upside? If management feels that 1. the addition of Hossa would instantly make us Cup contenders in the East, and 2. the loss of Higgins could be compensated by other players in the system, and 3. if we make a big playoff run the odds of signing Hossa improve.... then I can almost see the roll of the dice.
Hossa/Koivu/S. Kostitsyn
A. Kostitsyn/Plekanec/Kovalev
Latendresse/Lapierre/Ryder
Begin/Smoke/Kosto
Me likes. It really comes down to pro scouting and our ability to both evaluate the players on our own team and those on other teams. This is an area where we have not been too successful lately.
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Post by blny on Feb 6, 2008 11:48:09 GMT -5
It's good logic BH, to be sure. Money aside, my only fear with Hossa is playoff performance. He hasn't exactly shined in the post season.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 6, 2008 12:01:40 GMT -5
Murray Wilson, interviewed on Team1200 this afternoon: Gainey is indeed talking about Hossa; Higgins is one of the desired players but Bob won't give him up . . . Chips might be in the mix; Gainey has permission to talk with Hossa's agent about a contract, if they can work something out the two teams will continue to talk. Take it fwiw. Interesting. I didn't know Wilson was that plugged in. Honestly, if Murray Wilson is talking about it then there has to be something there. He rarely opens his mouth on such things. Might alleviate BH's concern above. If a deal can be worked out where Hossa can be signed to a long-term contract, then that would be excellent. Giving up players that are not currently on the roster seems to be the way Gainey likes doing things as well. Like with Kovalev's acquisition, it would send a clear message to the team that they are the one's who will have to get it done. It's the right message to send. Cheers. |
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Post by Douper on Feb 6, 2008 20:12:00 GMT -5
He has 35pts in 55 games. Not great, but not horrible.
He's one of the most entertaining players in the NHL and would look GREAT in a habs jersey.
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Post by blny on Feb 6, 2008 21:59:40 GMT -5
He has 35pts in 55 games. Not great, but not horrible. He's one of the most entertaining players in the NHL and would look GREAT in a habs jersey. For the money he wants he needs to do more. He's been on some very good teams and vanished like a fart in the wind when it was crunch time. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2008 22:37:09 GMT -5
Exactly what I feel, but at the same time, many Sens have been brutal in the post-season, not just Hossa.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 7, 2008 1:27:26 GMT -5
I would really hate to give up Higgins. OTOH, I would really like to have Hossa. He would give us one more guy who can beat several people one on one and is a natural scorer. If we could do it giving up a few of our existing prospects and some marginal players, I'd do it. My only concern would be that we might go deeper with Hossa, but our goaltending might let us down. Other than that factor, this could be the year for us.
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Post by franko on Feb 7, 2008 6:58:15 GMT -5
But 17, if we are controlling the puck the goaltending becomes less of an issue, no?
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Post by blny on Feb 7, 2008 7:32:35 GMT -5
Exactly what I feel, but at the same time, many Sens have been brutal in the post-season, not just Hossa. A valid point. It took the Sens a long time to get to a place where their on ice leaders lead come playoff time. |
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Post by CrocRob on Feb 7, 2008 12:18:29 GMT -5
Murray Wilson is on Sportsnet/FAN590 HockeyCentral right now, sticking with his story that Gainey is in fact negotiating with Rich Winter.
Also reporting (i.e. not speculating) that Chipchura is being discussed as part of a return for Hossa.
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Post by franko on Feb 7, 2008 12:23:00 GMT -5
Murray Wilson is on Sportsnet/FAN590 HockeyCentral right now, sticking with his story that Gainey is in fact negotiating with Rich Winter. Also reporting (i.e. not speculating) that Chipchura is being discussed as part of a return for Hossa. He's consistent with his story, anyway . . . not like one Eklund person who bounces every whichway hoping to be right occasionally. |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 7, 2008 13:12:22 GMT -5
Murray Wilson is on Sportsnet/FAN590 HockeyCentral right now, sticking with his story that Gainey is in fact negotiating with Rich Winter. Also reporting (i.e. not speculating) that Chipchura is being discussed as part of a return for Hossa. Higgins, Chipchura, Halak ... no draft picks. |
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Post by cigarviper on Feb 7, 2008 13:30:12 GMT -5
Murray Wilson is on Sportsnet/FAN590 HockeyCentral right now, sticking with his story that Gainey is in fact negotiating with Rich Winter. Also reporting (i.e. not speculating) that Chipchura is being discussed as part of a return for Hossa. Higgins, Chipchura, Halak ... no draft picks. That's a hefty price but Hossa is world class talent. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 7, 2008 13:54:22 GMT -5
Murray Wilson is on Sportsnet/FAN590 HockeyCentral right now, sticking with his story that Gainey is in fact negotiating with Rich Winter. Also reporting (i.e. not speculating) that Chipchura is being discussed as part of a return for Hossa. Higgins, Chipchura, Halak ... no draft picks. Delete Higgins, insert Ryder. If they don't go for it, back to Higgins, but that still leaves what to do with Ryder. Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 7, 2008 14:14:34 GMT -5
Higgins, Chipchura, Halak ... no draft picks. Delete Higgins, insert Ryder. If they don't go for it, back to Higgins, but that still leaves what to do with Ryder. Cheers. Sign him for less money next year, promise him PP time with Hossa and Koivu, and give the savings to Hossa.. Or trade him for that elusive third line center we need ... Ryder + draft pick (first would get it done, try second) for Stoll |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 7, 2008 14:24:49 GMT -5
Delete Higgins, insert Ryder. If they don't go for it, back to Higgins, but that still leaves what to do with Ryder. Cheers. Sign him for less money next year, promise him PP time with Hossa and Koivu, and give the savings to Hossa.. Or trade him for that elusive third line center we need ... Ryder + draft pick (first would get it done, try second) for Stoll Got sent home by the boss to shovel out our homes today. Listening to PJ Stock right now. It's good for a change because I can't get anything like that at work. He's talking about the Hossa situation. He suggests: * Emelin should be at least offered in any deal. Stock mentions that we'll still have Markov for another 4 years. * Landing Hossa and getting close to the Cup this year would put Gainey in a good position to lure additional big-name FAs. Read on another board that Murray Wilson suggested that Hossa's agent is looking for a team that will lock him up for a few years. His client doesn't want to be traded, then moved in the off-season so shortly after arriving in his new home. Cheers. |
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Post by clear observer on Feb 7, 2008 14:25:41 GMT -5
Higgins, Chipchura, Halak ... no draft picks. That's a hefty price but Hossa is world class talent. If confident I could sign Hossa, I pull the trigger on this. |
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Post by franko on Feb 7, 2008 14:41:04 GMT -5
Still chewing on this. 2 first round picks plus a goalie that will pay off and play for the Thrashers, leaving us with a [probably more happy] Danis and a need to sign Huet for a guy that can skate and score but has yet to prove himself in the playoffs.
Sometimes, though, ya gotta bite the bullet. Two months ago we were complaining that Gainey wasn't doing anything. Now that its rumoured that he is we are complaining that he might be giving away too much.
"Ryder and Locke, Don . . . take it or leave it. . . . Hey, where are you going?"
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 7, 2008 16:07:14 GMT -5
Still chewing on this. 2 first round picks plus a goalie that will pay off and play for the Thrashers, leaving us with a [probably more happy] Danis and a need to sign Huet for a guy that can skate and score but has yet to prove himself in the playoffs. Sometimes, though, ya gotta bite the bullet. Two months ago we were complaining that Gainey wasn't doing anything. Now that its rumoured that he is we are complaining that he might be giving away too much. "Ryder and Locke, Don . . . take it or leave it. . . . Hey, where are you going?" Looking down the road a bit. Let's say for kicks and giggles: * Hossa does come to Montreal. *Gainey signs him to a long-term deal. * Where does this leave us WRT future cap space? A guy like Hossa will command what? $7/8 million/season. I don't know if these are accurate figures or not. But, let's say I'm in the ballpark. According to www.nhlnumbers.com the following players are coming due in the 09/10 season: RFA* Higgins * Plekanec * Latendresse * Chipchura UFA* Komisarek * Koivu * Kovalev * Bouillon * Dandenault * Streit (this year) Which players would be affected should Hossa sign long-term in Montreal? Gainey has to consider this as well because he won't know what the cap is. Would love to see Hossa in Montreal and I think he'd love being in a hockey-mad environment like the one there. Cheers. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 7, 2008 16:12:58 GMT -5
That's a hefty price but Hossa is world class talent. If confident I could sign Hossa, I pull the trigger on this. Didn't know you had that kind of money CO. |
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