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Post by FREEHAB on Feb 19, 2008 18:35:51 GMT -5
According to Howard Berger, Fletcher and Gainey have been talking very seriously about the possibility of Montreal acquiring Matts Sundin.  www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=13451Yes it's on Eklund's site, but Berger is about as close to the Laffs as any media person in Toronto. I want to puke, just thinking about it. Higgy, a prospect & picks for Matts just seems so wrong. In fact, a trade of any kind with Toronto just seems dirty.  Thoughts?  |
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Post by jkr on Feb 19, 2008 18:41:07 GMT -5
I heard this too & can't see it happening. Gainey doesn't want to touch the roster but he wants an impact player. I think he wants a Kovalev/Balej type deal or find a player that's under contract.
I also don't think he wants a rental. I wouldn't do a Sundin trade unless they could get him to agree to an extension.
FWIW - I heard Fletcher this evening. He says there are no deals in place & he expects to leave the meetings tomorrow without making a trade.
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Post by FREEHAB on Feb 19, 2008 18:48:46 GMT -5
I wouldn't do a Sundin trade unless they could get him to agree to an extension. Extension aside, I simply can't see him playing for Les Habitant when the man has bled blue and white forever. I would question where is heart is before he even played a single game for Montreal. No denying his talent and skill, but I simply cannot see him giving his all playing for the Leafs most hated/storied rival. Normally I wouldn't buy into this, but when Berger says talks are taking place, I tend to give it more credibility than some other Toronto media sources. If this happens, I'll be stunned and dismayed. |
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Post by blny on Feb 19, 2008 19:05:18 GMT -5
Bob McKenzie has also mentioned this tonight as well as Gainey courting Hossa and Tanguay.
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Post by FREEHAB on Feb 19, 2008 19:13:23 GMT -5
Bob McKenzie has also mentioned this tonight Oh great, another Toronto media source whose in a position to know. What gives? If this were to happen, isn't anyone skeptical of just how hard Matts would/wouldn't compete? Getting a top teir, skilled player is fine - just as long as he hasn't spent most of his career as captain of your most bitter rival.  |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 19, 2008 22:42:52 GMT -5
I sincerely hope Gainey is not courting Sundin. I can't imagine any of our prospects winding up with the Leafs for years to come.
Cheers.
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Post by franko on Feb 19, 2008 22:50:13 GMT -5
NOOOooooooo
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Post by PTH on Feb 19, 2008 22:51:42 GMT -5
I'd love adding Sundin to this team..... if we were to ship off Koivu (especially if it had happened before this season), I'm sure whoever gets him will be impressed, and I think it'll be the same kind of situation with Sundin. Adding someone who's used to carrying a team to a team that's doing well already just adds another level of firepower.
A team can check the Plekanec line into the ground ? Put out the Sundin line. We're facing a team with 2 strong shutdown units ? The Koivu line gets to play against lesser players.....
Strangely, I hate the Leafs, yet a guy like Sundin to me is just neutral somehow.... and I can't help but think of how much this guy could help us. The only worrisome aspect is how whatever we give to TOR might come back to haunt us again and again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2008 23:00:49 GMT -5
However much we give up for Sundin will be too much, and could seriously affect chemistry for the following weeks. Not to mention any prospect we give Toronto, even our weakest ones, actually makes their team better. But ultimately, Gainey should concentrate on making our team better.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 19, 2008 23:39:28 GMT -5
I like Sundin .... but the deal would be akin to selling our soul to the devil.
They get Higgins in the deal. Sundin re-signs with them. And then they go and get Ryder as a UFA ...et voila .. they have Higgins/Sundin/Ryder next year as the #1 line ...plus they'll have more money to boot to go shopping for the big boys.
I want Hossa
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Post by Skilly on Feb 19, 2008 23:42:05 GMT -5
I heard Fletcher on the TV tonight saying he isn't making any deals until he gets back to Toronto ...
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Post by seventeen on Feb 19, 2008 23:56:25 GMT -5
Sundin would be better than Hossa, if only because our single largest hole is a big centre and (duh) Sundin just happens to be a big centre who can still score at a hefty pace. I also think from a character perspective, I'd prefer him to Hossa. Besides after playing with the Habs, he might not want to return to TO.
Of course, I'd take Hossa in a heartbeat, too. From a pure talent, skill, character standpoint, Sundin's my pick...followed by Jokinen, who still seems to be available despite claims to the contrary.
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Post by PTH on Feb 20, 2008 0:21:57 GMT -5
I like Sundin .... but the deal would be akin to selling our soul to the devil. They get Higgins in the deal. Sundin re-signs with them. And then they go and get Ryder as a UFA ...et voila .. they have Higgins/Sundin/Ryder next year as the #1 line ...plus they'll have more money to boot to go shopping for the big boys. I want Hossa It all depends - if TOR is expecting Sundin to re-sign this summer regardless, then they might not be expecting as much as Atlanta is. Perhaps Fischer, PK Subban and a 1st or 2nd round pick gets it done... |
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Post by MC Habber on Feb 20, 2008 1:09:54 GMT -5
I wouldn't do a Sundin trade unless they could get him to agree to an extension. Extension aside, I simply can't see him playing for Les Habitant when the man has bled blue and white forever. I would question where is heart is before he even played a single game for Montreal. No denying his talent and skill, but I simply cannot see him giving his all playing for the Leafs most hated/storied rival. Gilmour did it. Heck, Ken Dryden became president of the Leafs. Lots of other examples. If we could add Sundin without losing too much of our current lineup, that would make us strong contenders (barring injuries to Markov or Hamrlik), and I have no doubt that Sundin would play all out for a contending team, no matter the colour of the uniform. Imagine a powerplay with Sundin, Koivu and Kovalev on it (not that our powerplay needs much help). There really should be a drooling smiley. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 20, 2008 6:31:24 GMT -5
Extension aside, I simply can't see him playing for Les Habitant when the man has bled blue and white forever. I would question where is heart is before he even played a single game for Montreal. No denying his talent and skill, but I simply cannot see him giving his all playing for the Leafs most hated/storied rival. Gilmour did it. Heck, Ken Dryden became president of the Leafs. Lots of other examples. If we could add Sundin without losing too much of our current lineup, that would make us strong contenders (barring injuries to Markov or Hamrlik), and I have no doubt that Sundin would play all out for a contending team, no matter the colour of the uniform. Imagine a powerplay with Sundin, Koivu and Kovalev on it (not that our powerplay needs much help). There really should be a drooling smiley. Plus, when Dryden was President of the leafs, he tried to get Gainey in as GM. It was overuled by Quinn I think. |
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Post by HabSolute on Feb 20, 2008 8:37:13 GMT -5
I heard the interview of Gainey with Howard Berger. It was too obvious. It's not like Gainey to show his cards like this. He all but mentionned the name Sundin to him. IMO, he knew too well that with Berger, that story would be ALL OVER Toronto and the internet within minutes. I think Gainey is just trying to create some leverage for himself for another deal. I still have the feeling Hossa is the guy he's after, but Waddell is getting greedy. Sundin would look just great in a Habs uniform. But like someone else said, to see him go back to the Leafs next year with Higgins and Ryder..... , don't know if I can live with that. On the other hand, can you just begin to imagine if we won a Cup this year with Sundin in our line-up. The Leafs Fans would just go totally mental. My life in Toronto would instantly be like living in Heaven. I would never have to hear the "Gretzky High Stick" incident ever again..... However, they would probably say we won just because we had a Leafs in our line-up...... Anyway, IMO, it's not happening |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 20, 2008 9:05:07 GMT -5
Apparently, Sundin has given Fletcher a list of teams he'll play for. Heard it on a local radio station a few minutes ago.
Cheers.
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Post by Polarice on Feb 20, 2008 9:48:07 GMT -5
No way would I trade for Sundin!!! But I'd love to sign him this summer as a free agent!!  |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 20, 2008 10:06:15 GMT -5
Apparently, Sundin has given Fletcher a list of teams he'll play for. Heard it on a local radio station a few minutes ago. Cheers. Isn't it strange how people want to come here now? .... Winning, a cure for all ailments. |
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Post by habmeister on Feb 20, 2008 10:40:03 GMT -5
if we trade for sundin we could very well see him in a habs jersey carrying the stanley cup in june, winning the cup aside, the irony and overall ef you that would be said to every leaf fan would be worth it alone, i could not imagine seeing mats win a cup in a habs jersey!
i think after celebrating the cup victory in montreal we'd all have to buy a sundin jersey, load up, make tinfoil cups and parade down queen street for all to see!
ah hahahahahaha
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 20, 2008 10:42:48 GMT -5
Apparently, Sundin has given Fletcher a list of teams he'll play for. Heard it on a local radio station a few minutes ago. Cheers. Isn't it strange how people want to come here now? .... Winning, a cure for all ailments. Well, I've tried looking for an online link but haven't found one as yet. Honestly, Skilly, I think the only way Gainey could make a deal for Sundin is if Matts were to agree to a contract even if its only for one year. I don't know why but I can see Mike Ryder wearing a Leafs uniform. Unless a deal can be pulled off with Calgary I think that's where he will eventually end up as an UFA. Can you envision both Sundin and Ryder wearing Toronto blue next year? I think the addition of Ryder would be enough to lure Matts back for another season actually. All that said, I think Sundin would help our club but would he be enough to put us over the top? I would hope so, because the Toronto future would look immediately brighter afterwards. Cheers. |
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Post by franko on Feb 20, 2008 11:37:52 GMT -5
The only way I'd trade solid prospects or a roster player for UFA is if I have a hope of signing him for a year or two to come. I don't want to help another team get good enough to beat us in years ahead by giving players and having the rental re-sign with the original team. Period.
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Post by clear observer on Feb 20, 2008 11:56:51 GMT -5
Isn't it strange how people want to come here now? .... Winning, a cure for all ailments. Well, I've tried looking for an online link but haven't found one as yet. Honestly, Skilly, I think the only way Gainey could make a deal for Sundin is if Matts were to agree to a contract even if its only for one year. I don't know why but I can see Mike Ryder wearing a Leafs uniform. Unless a deal can be pulled off with Calgary I think that's where he will eventually end up as an UFA. Can you envision both Sundin and Ryder wearing Toronto blue next year? I think the addition of Ryder would be enough to lure Matts back for another season actually. All that said, I think Sundin would help our club but would he be enough to put us over the top? I would hope so, because the Toronto future would look immediately brighter afterwards. Cheers. Bang-on Dis...and I do not think adding Sundin would make us instant cup-contenders...this team would need more and the cost would be far too much to acquire Mats allthewhile making our biggest foe stronger both short and long term. I'd stay the hell away from a deal with the Leafs. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 20, 2008 12:49:17 GMT -5
I heard the interview of Gainey with Howard Berger. It was too obvious. It's not like Gainey to show his cards like this. As BC always always mentions, Bob is not as secretive as rumored. Almost all of his acquisitions were called in advance by Bob (not always in terms of names but almost always in term of "I'm looking for that kind of player"). Bob is looking for an impact player and most probably a guy that can dominate in the faceoff circle. Could be the same guy, could be 2 guys. Bob has been with Fletcher and Waddell... obviously the guys he's targeting are Hossa and Sundin on those front. Might not happen but you can bet he's trying it. I would send Ryder, Grabo and a conditional pick to TO for Sundin... But not Higgins (Mats is too old) although I'm getting a feeling that Higs might have been way overrated by us because of a few good streaks he had and he might just be after all, the good 2-way guy with limited offense, that he's been all of his career... But maybe not... There is still enough question marks around him to make me hesitant... A deal centered on Higgins would have to include either Brad Richards or a signed and delivered Hossa or Jokkinen. |
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Post by habmeister on Feb 20, 2008 13:00:07 GMT -5
i'm with you guys, if we get a hossa or sundin, it must be contingent on them being here at least one more season, no 2 month rentals by paying a high price with prospects, i like what bob is building, he's not there yet, but we're getting closer.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Feb 20, 2008 13:07:21 GMT -5
Let Sundin spend a few weeks in Hamilton working his way into the lineup.
Let him try out for the team.
Make him read for the part.
How about Sundin and a high pick for Brisebois and Grabovsky?
We didn't work ourselves into a tie with Ottawa by giving away our future for a rental. Sundin must be under contract for at least next year.
Sundin, Streit and Ryder. Makes a good fourth line.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 20, 2008 13:20:24 GMT -5
Let Sundin spend a few weeks in Hamilton working his way into the lineup. Let him try out for the team. Make him read for the part. How about Sundin and a high pick for Brisebois and Grabovsky? We didn't work ourselves into a tie with Ottawa by giving away our future for a rental. Sundin must be under contract for at least next year. Sundin, Streit and Ryder. Makes a good fourth line. So he can only crack the lineup if he helps the Dogs win a few against the Marlies first? I like it. Where do we sign!?! |
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Post by TheHabsfan on Feb 20, 2008 14:26:45 GMT -5
I don't believe a word of it. It's one of 2 things:
1. It's a smokescreen to take the focus away from the real action.
2. He's simply trying to drive up the price so our competition gives away more.
Sundin has made it well known that if he moves, he resigns in TO next season. Imagine the backlash from Leaf fans if he accepts a trade the their mortal ennemies. I can't see him waiving it to come to MTL.
I think Gainey is on the trail of 3 players:
1. Hossa
2. Jokinnen
3. Richards.
in no particular order.
THF
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Post by HabSolute on Feb 20, 2008 14:55:45 GMT -5
Sundin has made it well known that if he moves, he resigns in TO next season. I don't think he ever said that; the fans and media have speculated that. All Sundin ever said is he is happy in TO and he doesn't really want to be a rental player. ALL the rest is pure speculation from the media. Even Howard Berger, who is as close as they get to the Leafs, says he's in the dark and anything can happen. I agree with you, Sundin ain't coming to Montreal; this is a strategy from Gainey. The Leafs will ask for way too much |
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 20, 2008 16:00:45 GMT -5
i'm with you guys, if we get a hossa or sundin, it must be contingent on them being here at least one more season, no 2 month rentals by paying a high price with prospects, i like what bob is building, he's not there yet, but we're getting closer. Ditto. |
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