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Post by CentreHice on Feb 20, 2008 16:02:18 GMT -5
If we don't see Hossa, we'll see Tanguay.....or maybe both....but not Sundin. Just a feeling.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 20, 2008 16:23:20 GMT -5
If we don't see Hossa, we'll see Tanguay.....or maybe both....but not Sundin. Just a feeling. I'm listening to The Fan 990 right now. They asked, why would we want to see our prospects playing in Toronto for the next 10 years when Sundin will only hop back onto the 401 to Toronto after the season is over? Cheers. |
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Post by Douper on Feb 20, 2008 20:18:31 GMT -5
If we trade a large amount of anything to Toronto for Sundin, I'm hoping it's a bunch of Air Conditionners for them to enjoy a long summer without hockey, if we trade any players or prospects to the big smoke, I say NO WAY.
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Post by habmeister on Feb 20, 2008 21:08:02 GMT -5
how bout 24 golf memberships and some nice callaways and a 7th round pick for sundin?
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 20, 2008 23:32:24 GMT -5
how bout 24 golf memberships and some nice callaways and a 7th round pick for sundin? I bet if you offered that to the corporate suits on their Board of Directors, they just might take it.  |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 21, 2008 7:33:34 GMT -5
how bout 24 golf memberships and some nice callaways and a 7th round pick for sundin? I bet if you offered that to the corporate suits on their Board of Directors, they just might take it. I'd take it if it was Taylor Made's ..... Calloways ... pffftt ...  |
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Post by TheHabsfan on Feb 21, 2008 10:40:57 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 21, 2008 10:44:35 GMT -5
We have a new Golftown opening up here in Kingston. Oh joy ... oh bliss .... |
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Post by 24in93 on Feb 21, 2008 11:01:55 GMT -5
Golf Town is heaven.
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Post by cigarviper on Feb 23, 2008 15:24:18 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Feb 23, 2008 15:49:01 GMT -5
I think the link must be too many characters for the board's code or something. Here's a link to the main page at MSN, and the story is just below. sports.sympatico.msn.ca/Home/ |
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Post by habmeister on Feb 23, 2008 16:08:31 GMT -5
just saw sundin say "i don't even know if i'll play next season". i'm happy mats is saying this, just means any chance at trading him for a good prospect or two and some picks won't happen. thanks mats! keep toronto where they belong in the cellar!
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Post by franko on Feb 23, 2008 16:36:10 GMT -5
But not too low in the cellar, H&C -- we don't want them to draft too high.
Let them win a few games but just miss the playoffs.
[I'm a nice guy . . . except when it comes to the Leafs]
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Post by jkr on Feb 23, 2008 17:08:54 GMT -5
They should sign him to an extension then because he is still thehir best player.
Waddell must like this. I guess this intensifies the competition for Hossa.
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Post by jkr on Feb 23, 2008 17:12:30 GMT -5
I just saw J.P. Barry at the Sens game (Sundin's agent) & he wasn't definitive at all. He said something about Sundin deciding in the next 24 hours. This is getting as bad as the Forsberg situation. Settle it already!  |
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Post by habmeister on Feb 23, 2008 17:19:10 GMT -5
But not too low in the cellar, H&C -- we don't want them to draft too high. Let them win a few games but just miss the playoffs. [I'm a nice guy . . . except when it comes to the Leafs] yeah i mean going forward, would prefer like last season that they finish 9th in the east, i finally convinced my best friend (huge leaf fan) that trading sundin for prospects will all but guarantee them a shot at stamkos or doughty and if they re-sign sundin they won't lose him either. for the longest while he was towing the leaf line: "just make the playoffs". he's finally figured out that to win a cup you have to somewhat rebuild, thankfully the city will never allow them to pull a pitt or ott and totally tank for 4-5 seasons. |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 23, 2008 20:33:33 GMT -5
Was never going to happen anyway .... last guy to wear #13 for the Habs was Bill Boucher in 1922-23.
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Post by roke on Feb 24, 2008 22:17:16 GMT -5
Sundin decides not to waive his No-trade Clause. I would've liked to see him in Montreal (for Fischer +) as he would have given another right hand-shot to use on the powerplay and a very good faceoff man. That being said, it's all moot anyway. Will be interesting to see what the media reaction is in Toronto.
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Post by CrocRob on Feb 24, 2008 22:21:01 GMT -5
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 25, 2008 7:23:06 GMT -5
As of Monday, Feb. 25.....Sundin, Kaberle, Kubina, and Tucker all refuse to waive their no-trade clauses. The only one who's left the door open to be traded to another Eastern team in Bryan McCabe. Good luck with the rebuild Cliff. He screwed up....he left it too long, especially in Sundin's case. Not enough pressure. From tmlfans: Leafs captain Mats Sundin will not waive his no-trade clause, ending speculation that he will be dealt before the Tuesday, February 26 NHL trade deadline.
"I cannot leave my teammates and join another NHL Club at this time, " said Sundin. "I have never believed in the concept of a rental player.
"I hope everyone will understand and respect my decision."
With Darcy Tucker, Tomas Kaberle and Pavel Kubina also refusing to waive their no-trade clauses, the only marquee player on the Leafs with the possibility of being traded is defenceman Bryan McCabe.
McCabe does have a no-movement clause, but reportedly may agree to a deal to an Eastern Conference team.The best thing now is a late season push for 8th....finishing 9th and missing out on a good draft choice. Wait a minute, that was always the best thing. Watch.....now they'll go on a tear and finish 7th and face Pittsburgh, Ottawa, or New Jersey in Round 1. |
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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2008 7:29:21 GMT -5
So, if Sundin doesn't believe in rental players I wonder how welcoming he was to all the rentals the Leafs have brought in during his tenure in Toronto. Maybe that's why it never seemed to work for them.
The Leafs definitely handled it wrong. They should have started a month ago, but not with the kind of pressure they're using now - negative press, putting the blame on Sundin, making him out to be the bad guy if he doesn't accept a trade, etc. I watched Coach's Corner Saturday, and I have to say I agree with Cherry. If a team wants to get rid of you that bad, how do you stay?
Maybe Mats will retire at season's end. Maybe this is his way of saying "FU!" Who knows?
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Post by Skilly on Feb 25, 2008 9:33:07 GMT -5
So, if Sundin doesn't believe in rental players I wonder how welcoming he was to all the rentals the Leafs have brought in during his tenure in Toronto. Maybe that's why it never seemed to work for them. The Leafs definitely handled it wrong. They should have started a month ago, but not with the kind of pressure they're using now - negative press, putting the blame on Sundin, making him out to be the bad guy if he doesn't accept a trade, etc. I watched Coach's Corner Saturday, and I have to say I agree with Cherry. If a team wants to get rid of you that bad, how do you stay? Maybe Mats will retire at season's end. Maybe this is his way of saying "FU!" Who knows? Well the quote isn't the whole jist of what Sundin was trying to say .... the full quote is : " I cannot leave my teammates and join another NHL Club at this time. I have never believed in the concept of a rental player. It is my belief that winning the Stanley Cup is the greatest thing you can achieve in hockey but for me, in order to appreciate it you have to have been part of the entire journey and that means October through June. I hope everyone will understand and respect my decision." Sounds to me that he is saying he doesn't want to feel like an outsider to whereever he goes, and that he'd still feel as if he didn't win the Cup, because he didn't go through all the battles with the team ..... ... I think Sundin is the hockey player that we all wish every hockey player would be. Dedicated, honest, passion, and skill rolled up in a nice big bruising package. |
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Post by CrocRob on Feb 25, 2008 9:35:24 GMT -5
And to add even more humour:
Per TSN: In addition to Sundin not waiving his "no-trade" clause on Sunday morning Fletcher also sat down with Pavel Kubina, who said no. He sat down with Tomas Kaberle who also said no as did Darcy Tucker. The lone bright spot may be Bryan McCabe who said he would consider waiving his clause if it was with the right Eastern conference team.
HAHAHAHAHAHA They might as well have saved the money and not hired anyone to be an interim GM.
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Post by mic on Feb 25, 2008 9:46:43 GMT -5
So, if Sundin doesn't believe in rental players I wonder how welcoming he was to all the rentals the Leafs have brought in during his tenure in Toronto. Maybe that's why it never seemed to work for them. The Leafs definitely handled it wrong. They should have started a month ago, but not with the kind of pressure they're using now - negative press, putting the blame on Sundin, making him out to be the bad guy if he doesn't accept a trade, etc. I watched Coach's Corner Saturday, and I have to say I agree with Cherry. If a team wants to get rid of you that bad, how do you stay? Maybe Mats will retire at season's end. Maybe this is his way of saying "FU!" Who knows? Well the quote isn't the whole jist of what Sundin was trying to say .... the full quote is : " I cannot leave my teammates and join another NHL Club at this time. I have never believed in the concept of a rental player. It is my belief that winning the Stanley Cup is the greatest thing you can achieve in hockey but for me, in order to appreciate it you have to have been part of the entire journey and that means October through June. I hope everyone will understand and respect my decision." Sounds to me that he is saying he doesn't want to feel like an outsider to whereever he goes, and that he'd still feel as if he didn't win the Cup, because he didn't go through all the battles with the team ..... ... I think Sundin is the hockey player that we all wish every hockey player would be. Dedicated, honest, passion, and skill rolled up in a nice big bruising package. Yeah, I think what he tried to say was more like: "I have the choice, and I don't want to make the choice of being a rental player that goes for the nice time in the season; screw you former teammates, I can decide where I want to go." If he was thinking of somebody, it would more likely be Niedermeyer, Selanne, Forsberg, and McCarthy, rahter than other players who are simply traded without being asked. |
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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2008 9:50:45 GMT -5
So, if Sundin doesn't believe in rental players I wonder how welcoming he was to all the rentals the Leafs have brought in during his tenure in Toronto. Maybe that's why it never seemed to work for them. The Leafs definitely handled it wrong. They should have started a month ago, but not with the kind of pressure they're using now - negative press, putting the blame on Sundin, making him out to be the bad guy if he doesn't accept a trade, etc. I watched Coach's Corner Saturday, and I have to say I agree with Cherry. If a team wants to get rid of you that bad, how do you stay? Maybe Mats will retire at season's end. Maybe this is his way of saying "FU!" Who knows? Well the quote isn't the whole jist of what Sundin was trying to say .... the full quote is : " I cannot leave my teammates and join another NHL Club at this time. I have never believed in the concept of a rental player. It is my belief that winning the Stanley Cup is the greatest thing you can achieve in hockey but for me, in order to appreciate it you have to have been part of the entire journey and that means October through June. I hope everyone will understand and respect my decision." Sounds to me that he is saying he doesn't want to feel like an outsider to whereever he goes, and that he'd still feel as if he didn't win the Cup, because he didn't go through all the battles with the team ..... ... I think Sundin is the hockey player that we all wish every hockey player would be. Dedicated, honest, passion, and skill rolled up in a nice big bruising package. I heard the whole context. I think he's a pretty sincere guy. There's merit to his comments. I'm just curious how he's reacted to, and treated, the myriad of rentals the Leafs have had over the years. |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 25, 2008 9:55:19 GMT -5
Well the quote isn't the whole jist of what Sundin was trying to say .... the full quote is : " I cannot leave my teammates and join another NHL Club at this time. I have never believed in the concept of a rental player. It is my belief that winning the Stanley Cup is the greatest thing you can achieve in hockey but for me, in order to appreciate it you have to have been part of the entire journey and that means October through June. I hope everyone will understand and respect my decision." Sounds to me that he is saying he doesn't want to feel like an outsider to whereever he goes, and that he'd still feel as if he didn't win the Cup, because he didn't go through all the battles with the team ..... ... I think Sundin is the hockey player that we all wish every hockey player would be. Dedicated, honest, passion, and skill rolled up in a nice big bruising package. I heard the whole context. I think he's a pretty sincere guy. There's merit to his comments. I'm just curious how he's reacted to, and treated, the myriad of rentals the Leafs have had over the years. I would say he treated them the same as the rest of his teammates ... it was those guys who had to deal with being "part of the team" and I am sure Mats did what he could to make them feel part of the team. He was with the Leafs the entire year so he would have been elated to win a Cup, rentals or not ... ... I think he is saying, that no matter how much someone tries to make him feel apart of the team, he would not be able to feel comfortable in that situation, and the experience of winning the Cup would be tainted in his mind. I applaud him for that ... I'd rather he be honest, then pull a Tkachuk, and with his heart not in it, playing not up to his potential.... |
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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2008 10:11:25 GMT -5
Can't say I disagree. If fitting in is important, and perhaps takes him longer to do, then being a rental would be hard. I wouldn't doubt his effort, but a lack of comfort could easily effect the results.
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Post by mic on Feb 25, 2008 10:40:42 GMT -5
Well the quote isn't the whole jist of what Sundin was trying to say .... the full quote is : " I cannot leave my teammates and join another NHL Club at this time. I have never believed in the concept of a rental player. It is my belief that winning the Stanley Cup is the greatest thing you can achieve in hockey but for me, in order to appreciate it you have to have been part of the entire journey and that means October through June. I hope everyone will understand and respect my decision." Sounds to me that he is saying he doesn't want to feel like an outsider to whereever he goes, and that he'd still feel as if he didn't win the Cup, because he didn't go through all the battles with the team ..... ... I think Sundin is the hockey player that we all wish every hockey player would be. Dedicated, honest, passion, and skill rolled up in a nice big bruising package. I heard the whole context. I think he's a pretty sincere guy. There's merit to his comments. I'm just curious how he's reacted to, and treated, the myriad of rentals the Leafs have had over the years. I am pretty sure Sundin meant that there is a difference between a player who has and one who hasn't the choice of moving. I don't think he would have (or had) anything against players who had no choice moving to Toronto. His point was probably that he would feel uncomfortable being a free-rider who can pick his favourite team (unlike the vast majority of players traded), and so leaving his team while enjoying the fun of play-offs. |
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 25, 2008 18:35:14 GMT -5
If there's one player on the Leafs who deserved a no-trade it's Sundin. For signing the other 4 with the NTC, Fergie should be raked over the coals....and if he needed approval from the board to do such a thing, then they all made the bed..... No sympathy at all. Everyone on the radio today, whether they're disappointed with Sundin or not, are very disappointed with the other 4 players who refuse to waive (McCabe might).....and, more than ever, they're hoping the Leafs tank, tank, tank.....from Watters to Kypreos. Watch.....the Leafs'll beat Ottawa tonight..... |
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