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Post by CrocRob on Feb 21, 2008 0:07:27 GMT -5
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Post by PTH on Feb 21, 2008 0:17:37 GMT -5
As the article said, equipment can be ordered without a deal being done later on, but it definitely shows that talks are serious.
What I find interesting is that both Streit and Ryder are UFAs - maybe both GMs just gave the other team permission to talk contract, and then if all 3 agree to deals with their new teams, a trade happens.
Ryder is slowly getting back into form, and Streit has been real useful.... but you have to give to get and Hossa is a world-class talent...
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Post by cigarviper on Feb 21, 2008 0:35:40 GMT -5
Good lord, that would be great value for Gainey.
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Post by CrocRob on Feb 21, 2008 0:47:54 GMT -5
In my head I was thinking Streit, Ryder, Grabovsky, 1st, 4th.
That gives Waddell three players he can realistically insert into his current lineup (and Streit he could probably re-sign fairly easily, if not Ryder too) to help him win the division, and a 1st round pick and 4th pick.
That's pretty comparable to what Forsberg got last year... and I'd do it without hesitation.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 21, 2008 1:01:48 GMT -5
I thing Philly got way more than Atlanta would be getting, but that's because I have a very high opinion of Ryan Parent. If you look at it from the standpoint of what we'd be losing...well, Ryder has only had about 3 games this year that have excited us (though I still like Mike, hands like his aren't abundant). Streit only cost us, what, an eighth round pick? Those guys are basically rentals as well, but perhaps more affordable, so I think we'd be including someone like Emelin and a 3rd or 2nd rounder.
While Streit has shown himself to be a useful forward, he really is deadly in his own end, and Mike hasn't contributed a whole bunch this year. Emelin hasn't played a game for us, but if we could get him over, we'd love him. So overall we lose very little of what has gotten us to this point (I know, last night's game was won in large part because of Ryder and Streit). So if that's what we lose and we gain Hossa, it's gotta be a huge short term win for us.
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Post by PTH on Feb 21, 2008 1:07:56 GMT -5
I wonder about the value of guys like Grabovski, Dandenault, the rights to Perezhogin, etc. We can throw of a lot of such assets Atlanta's way.... though I think it's the first two or three names that are gonna hurt ( ie, 1st round pick, McDonagh, Higgins, etc.)
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Post by Bugsy on Feb 21, 2008 1:33:29 GMT -5
I really like Streit as a player and what he contributes to the Habs. It would be hard to lose a guy like him, but we're talking about getting a player of Hossa's calibre! a true star player in the league, only 29 years old, scored 95 points or something like that last year.........
Streit would be hard to lose....
But Hossa is hard to refuse!!
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Post by Bugsy on Feb 21, 2008 1:36:13 GMT -5
The Habs have tons of assets!!
Grabovski has 21 points in 11 games in the AHL! He's finally getting his confidence and finding a groove in NA hockey. Teams like the idea of a young forward with untapped potential......
Grabovski
Emelin
Halak
Maxwell
Pacioretty
White
These guys are going to be good soon enough, whether it's for the Habs or not!
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Post by CrocRob on Feb 21, 2008 1:38:05 GMT -5
There's no way I would trade Pacioretty. He's something that we don't have in our system. Big, powerful and kinda mean with natural scoring talent. I'm down in Ann Arbor 4 or 5 times a year and I've seen him twice this season. Of any of the forwards in our system, he's the last one I'd trade.
I'd trade Latendresse before him, and I'm a Lats fan.
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Post by Bugsy on Feb 21, 2008 1:53:00 GMT -5
No doubt, I'd hate t lose Pacioretty, but he is the kind of guy other teams will be droolong over!
A deal I would make would be:
Pacioretty, Emelin, Halak and a draft pick for Horton and a 1st round pick..........
Don't know if Florida would do that, but they would turn one power forward into a power forward, a powerplay quarterback and a future #1 goalie......
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Post by MC Habber on Feb 21, 2008 1:58:42 GMT -5
Dany Heatley turns into Ryder and Streit?
This is very exciting. Who was the last Hab to score 40 goals? Richer? Turgeon scored 38.
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Post by CrocRob on Feb 21, 2008 2:13:11 GMT -5
No doubt, I'd hate t lose Pacioretty, but he is the kind of guy other teams will be droolong over! A deal I would make would be: Pacioretty, Emelin, Halak and a draft pick for Horton and a 1st round pick.......... Don't know if Florida would do that, but they would turn one power forward into a power forward, a powerplay quarterback and a future #1 goalie...... Horton is overrrated IMO. Frankly, I'm skeptical about anyone who comes from Florida, Jokinen included. |
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Post by Douper on Feb 21, 2008 6:47:14 GMT -5
That would actually be a great deal for both teams. We would get a top end winger. Atlanta would get secondary scoring in Ryder, a PP quarterback to go along with Enstrom. Grabovski should be in the deal that would give them a young centre to go along with Little. And throw in a couple of picks in a deep draft. Hopefully we can get Boulton out of the deal aswell.
While I was looking at Hossa's #'s I was thinking of his playoff performances; For the most part when Hossa has been in the playoffs he's been the target of the other teams best defensive Forwards. Now if you look at the way our team is setup, He would be part of our Secondary unit. Pick your poison enemy teams.... Hossa or Kovalev!
MAKE IT HAPPEN BOB!!!!!!!
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Post by Skilly on Feb 21, 2008 7:30:49 GMT -5
I love this deal from the Habs perspective ... how can you not? You turn Ryder and Streit into Hossa ... and if it is a signed-sealed and delivered Hossa ... well slap my @ss with a trout and call me grandma!!!!
I don't like it from Atlanta's perspective. Ryder will not complement Kovalchuk, not one iota. As HC is apt to point out, Ryder is not as fast as him and is more north/south. I would have thought Waddell would have insisted on Higgins, who I feel would explode in Atlanta .... could it be the offers for Hossa are not as mind blowing as Atlanta hoped for? Or do they think Ryder's goal production is what they need most with Hossa gone?
If this is the deal .... you just got to do it.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 21, 2008 8:25:33 GMT -5
Pick your poison enemy teams.... Hossa or Kovalev! We talk about how our defence corps is so reliant on our top-3; however, once the playoffs roll around, if I'm the oppossition, all I do is target Kovalev. Pick on him until he's off his game and/or in the box. Ideally, I can get him thrown out of a game just by sending an Avery-type player after him. After he's gone what do we do? Really ... what do we do? This might be a reason to secure another impact winger such as Hossa IMHO. Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 21, 2008 8:29:41 GMT -5
I don't like it from Atlanta's perspective. Ryder will not complement Kovalchuk, not one iota. As HC is apt to point out, Ryder is not as fast as him and is more north/south. I would have thought Waddell would have insisted on Higgins, who I feel would explode in Atlanta .... could it be the offers for Hossa are not as mind blowing as Atlanta hoped for? Or do they think Ryder's goal production is what they need most with Hossa gone? If this is the deal .... you just got to do it. Wonder if they could be lured by Grabovski's recent success? Does Grabs pocess the wheels to keep up with Kovalchuk? Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 21, 2008 9:14:25 GMT -5
The latest from Mathias Brunet. Apologies in advance for any errors in the translation. I ran it through Google then tweaked the grammar here and there. Don't think I lost all that much in the translation but feel free to offer anything that might be better explained. Hossa is close to Montreal!
Mathias Brunet
La Presse
There's no proof at this time to confirm that a trade between the Canadiens and Atlanta Thrashers is completed. But, La Presse was told yesterday that they had ordered Canadiens' equipment for the 29-year-old forward, Marian Hossa.
Such an order does not necessarily mean that the case is in the bag. Two years ago, equipment had been ordered for Nikolai Khabibulin and Adrian Aucoin, but he broke an ankle on the night the transaction was to be announced. The trade was aborted and (it seems that Theodore Ribeiro and Dagenais would have been traded to the Blackhawks).
Sometimes a GM can change their minds in the wake of a dizzying last-minute offer. Yet, they won't order equipment unless talks with the opposing team are serious. A company needs one day to make a pair of specially designed pants or gloves for an athlete. (It's possible) that the Habs may only want to make sure that everything is ready on time if the trade is finalized shortly.
The names of Michael Ryder and Mark Streit were circulating yesterday (and perhaps a choice to recovery or hope), but this information could not be accurately confirmed.
The last day of the general managers meetings yesterday in Naples, Florida, gave birth to some rumors. In late afternoon, CBC announced on its website that Alex Tanguay was traded to the Habs in return for Michael Ryder and a draft pick, except we quickly removed the scoop.
Several indicators have shown recently that Bob Gainey and his counterpart Don Waddell attempted to prepare a big deal. Gainey did not hide this week as he tried to add a major player to his team.
Waddell attended two meetings with the Canadiens over the past two weeks, even missing a team practice to watch a game from a Florida hospital eight days ago. During his visit at the Bell Centre in the previous week, he joked with colleagues, telling them he was going to see a player in action, but that he wasn't even in uniform (Michael Ryder) .
The Thrashers GM has always stated his desire to get players who can help in the short term in return for Hossa since since his club is still in the race for a playoff spot. He has never hidden his interest in an offensive defenceman.
Marian Hossa, Mark Streit and Michael Ryder all have identical contractual status in that they will be UFAs at the end of the season. It is not impossible, however, that a club gives permission to the team with which the deal, to discuss contracts with the players involved in a trade. Analyst Murray Wilson, CJAD, said on the air a few weeks ago that Gainey had obtained permission to discuss contract extension with Hossa.
Marian Hossa, who makes 7 million this season, has had a sub-par season by his own standards with 53 points in 58 games. But he achieved 100 and 92 points in the previous two seasons. He remains one of the most talented wingers in the National Hockey League.
Hopefully for the Canadiens that trend will continue and that this formidable player can wear the new equipment just to make…www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20080221/CPSPORTS0101/80220288/6730/CPACTUALITES |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 21, 2008 9:48:27 GMT -5
And from TSN: Blog: Marian Hossa trade talks on hold
2/21/2008
The Marian Hossa Sweepstakes are on hold – for now.
Amid published reports out of Montreal, that the Canadiens have ordered equipment for Hossa in the event they secure his rights, and out of Ottawa, where the Senators are apparently in a holding pattern on Hossa, the focus in Atlanta today is strictly on the Thrashers' game tonight against Carolina.
Sources say Atlanta GM-head coach Don Waddell is in full coach mode today and won't be working the phones or advancing any trade talk for the talented winger who is likely to be dealt before Tuesday's NHL trade deadline.
But sources also told TSN that before Waddell resumes trade talk on Hossa, he wants to take one final stab at seeing if he can sign the winger to a contract extension. That effort, the source said, would likely take place on Friday. If it's unsuccessful, and Hossa himself has been quoted as saying it's a longshot he would re-sign in Atlanta before July 1, then Waddell will attempt to close a deal for Hossa this weekend.
Teams reportedly interested in Hossa include Montreal, Ottawa, New Jersey, Detroit and San Jose, amongst others.www.tsn.ca/blogs/mckenzie/?id=230189Wonder what Ottawa is offering? I can't see them having too much left cap-wise if the sign Hossa. Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 21, 2008 10:18:11 GMT -5
Wonder what Ottawa is offering? I can't see them having too much left cap-wise if the sign Hossa. Cheers. Still holding out that Redden will waive his NTC? Vermette and one of Redden/Meszaros .... he wants an "offensive defenseman". |
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Post by TheHabsfan on Feb 21, 2008 10:28:50 GMT -5
Waddell wanting to get one last kick at the can is BS in my opinion. If he couldn't get anything done at this point, it's pretty much over. He's simply stalling to see if he can squeeze some extra juice out of the orange. (didn't want to say lemon) ...
I think that all the hints are pointing to a happy ending for Habs fans. The fact that Higgins is not part of the offered package is a definite plus for us. I have no doubt that Waddell asked for him, who wouldn't. But it doesn't mean that Gainey has offered him.
Lets keep our fingers crossed!
THF
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 21, 2008 10:39:46 GMT -5
Wonder what Ottawa is offering? I can't see them having too much left cap-wise if the sign Hossa. Cheers. Still holding out that Redden will waive his NTC? Vermette and one of Redden/Meszaros .... he wants an "offensive defenseman". I'm looking at www.nhlnumbers.com right now and I don't know what Hossa would be asking for but I think Ottawa could fit him in. That won't leave too much for anyone else but I just shake my head at seeing Heately and Hossa on the same team. Redden won't waiver, but Meszaros wouldn't have a choice being a RFA next year. Vermette is in the same boat and both of these guys would be looking for raises next year. Murray wouldn't have that concern if they were moved in a package for Hossa. Cheers. |
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Post by CrocRob on Feb 21, 2008 10:40:04 GMT -5
I have to wonder whether Waddell's admission that Gainey offered Higgins (which was never really confirmed from anyone else, so call it speculation) made Gainey pull Higgins out of the deal.
If I were Chris, I would have gone to Gainey and asked if I should be expect to be traded. It's unfair to the player to say to him "well.. maybe..." given that he seems to be an integral part of the locker room.
Not necessarily what happened, but something that crossed my mind.
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Post by jkr on Feb 21, 2008 10:47:51 GMT -5
The latest from Mathias Brunet. Apologies in advance for any errors in the translation. I ran it through Google then tweaked the grammar here and there. Don't think I lost all that much in the translation but feel free to offer anything that might be better explained. Hossa is close to Montreal!
Mathias Brunet
La Presse
There's no proof at this time to confirm that a trade between the Canadiens and Atlanta Thrashers is completed. But, La Presse was told yesterday that they had ordered Canadiens' equipment for the 29-year-old forward, Marian Hossa.
Such an order does not necessarily mean that the case is in the bag. Two years ago, equipment had been ordered for Nikolai Khabibulin and Adrian Aucoin, but he broke an ankle on the night the transaction was to be announced. The trade was aborted and (it seems that Theodore Ribeiro and Dagenais would have been traded to the Blackhawks).
Sometimes a GM can change their minds in the wake of a dizzying last-minute offer. Yet, they won't order equipment unless talks with the opposing team are serious. A company needs one day to make a pair of specially designed pants or gloves for an athlete. (It's possible) that the Habs may only want to make sure that everything is ready on time if the trade is finalized shortly.
The names of Michael Ryder and Mark Streit were circulating yesterday (and perhaps a choice to recovery or hope), but this information could not be accurately confirmed.
The last day of the general managers meetings yesterday in Naples, Florida, gave birth to some rumors. In late afternoon, CBC announced on its website that Alex Tanguay was traded to the Habs in return for Michael Ryder and a draft pick, except we quickly removed the scoop.
Several indicators have shown recently that Bob Gainey and his counterpart Don Waddell attempted to prepare a big deal. Gainey did not hide this week as he tried to add a major player to his team.
Waddell attended two meetings with the Canadiens over the past two weeks, even missing a team practice to watch a game from a Florida hospital eight days ago. During his visit at the Bell Centre in the previous week, he joked with colleagues, telling them he was going to see a player in action, but that he wasn't even in uniform (Michael Ryder) .
The Thrashers GM has always stated his desire to get players who can help in the short term in return for Hossa since since his club is still in the race for a playoff spot. He has never hidden his interest in an offensive defenceman.
Marian Hossa, Mark Streit and Michael Ryder all have identical contractual status in that they will be UFAs at the end of the season. It is not impossible, however, that a club gives permission to the team with which the deal, to discuss contracts with the players involved in a trade. Analyst Murray Wilson, CJAD, said on the air a few weeks ago that Gainey had obtained permission to discuss contract extension with Hossa.
Marian Hossa, who makes 7 million this season, has had a sub-par season by his own standards with 53 points in 58 games. But he achieved 100 and 92 points in the previous two seasons. He remains one of the most talented wingers in the National Hockey League.
Hopefully for the Canadiens that trend will continue and that this formidable player can wear the new equipment just to make…www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20080221/CPSPORTS0101/80220288/6730/CPACTUALITESI must be really out of the loop. I had heard about the Aucoin/Ribiero deal but I didn't know Khabibulin & Theodore were also included. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 21, 2008 10:50:06 GMT -5
I have to wonder whether Waddell's admission that Gainey offered Higgins (which was never really confirmed from anyone else, so call it speculation) made Gainey pull Higgins out of the deal. If I were Chris, I would have gone to Gainey and asked if I should be expect to be traded. It's unfair to the player to say to him "well.. maybe..." given that he seems to be an integral part of the locker room. Not necessarily what happened, but something that crossed my mind. Did Waddell actually come out and say Higgins had been offered? BG plays things close to the vest & may have been ticked that there was a leak perhaps. |
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Post by 24in93 on Feb 21, 2008 10:57:39 GMT -5
Wonder what Ottawa is offering? I can't see them having too much left cap-wise if the sign Hossa. Cheers. Still holding out that Redden will waive his NTC? Vermette and one of Redden/Meszaros .... he wants an "offensive defenseman". In that case, BG can just throw Brisebois in to the offer. I think everyone here can agree he is quite "offensive". ;D |
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Post by CrocRob on Feb 21, 2008 11:15:11 GMT -5
I have to wonder whether Waddell's admission that Gainey offered Higgins (which was never really confirmed from anyone else, so call it speculation) made Gainey pull Higgins out of the deal. If I were Chris, I would have gone to Gainey and asked if I should be expect to be traded. It's unfair to the player to say to him "well.. maybe..." given that he seems to be an integral part of the locker room. Not necessarily what happened, but something that crossed my mind. Did Waddell actually come out and say Higgins had been offered? BG plays things close to the vest & may have been ticked that there was a leak perhaps. It surfaced as a radio rumour (probably CKAC  ) but I never got around to trying to find a print article about it. The rumour went that Waddell admitted to several reporters that Gainey had offered Higgins in part of a package for Hossa. |
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Post by franko on Feb 21, 2008 11:16:34 GMT -5
Ottawa has cap space; Vermette has been bandied as trade bait; Murray does not want to give up draft picks, and the cupboard in Baby-Sensland is getting bare.
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Post by blny on Feb 21, 2008 12:13:51 GMT -5
Dany Heatley turns into Ryder and Streit? This is very exciting. Who was the last Hab to score 40 goals? Richer? Turgeon scored 38. Bellows in 1993, 41 goals. If it's Ryder, Streit and change I do it. Both are good players, but we're getting a great player. I still want a contract with the deal, but if it's three UFAs changing homes with possibly conditional picks swapping should players sign we're not losing much by going for it. Ryder likely wouldn't be back. Streit, as useful as he is, is replaceable. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 21, 2008 12:15:45 GMT -5
Someone is having a big old laugh right now. Or, has gone to ground. The gloves Marcel rather Marian
Thursday, February 21, 2008
RDS.ca
The rumors sending Marian Hossa in Montreal are increasingly persistent.
RDS has learned that the gloves Hossa ordered last week were actually delivered to the Bell Centre Tuesday. However, the gloves delivered to Montreal belonged to Marcel Hossa and were not prepared for Marian. Remember that the Rangers were in town to face the Canadiens, Tuesday.
The company, Warrior, which manufactures gloves for Hossa, denied the reports that the gloves were prepared for Marian.
The equipment colours for the Canadiens and the Rangers are identical.
According to what Mathias Brunet reported Wednesday morning in La Presse, the Canadiens allegedly ordered equipment in team colours for the Atlanta Thrashers forward.
Brunet, who mentions the names of Michael Ryder and Mark Streit as a potential bargaining chips for Bob Gainey, said that such an order does not mean that the case would be in the bag.
Hossa, who earns $ 7 million, has amassed 53 points in 58 games this season.www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/246265.htmlCheers. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 21, 2008 12:27:48 GMT -5
...Brunet is in such a hurry to get his "sccops" out that he checks nothing and just assumes facts...
As an aside, if Gainey's offer for Hossa is Ryder and Streit than you can forget about Hossa coming to Montreal because there will certainly be at least half a dozen GMs more than ready to blow this low ball offer out of the water to land a player of Hossa's quality.
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) but I never got around to trying to find a print article about it. The rumour went that Waddell admitted to several reporters that Gainey had offered Higgins in part of a package for Hossa.
