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Post by seventeen on Mar 12, 2008 23:23:54 GMT -5
Komi and Higs for Lecavalier would hurt, but it's very, very tempting. Especially with Emelin, Valentenko and Pacioretty on the horizon. If we don't go deep in this year's playoffs, because we lack that elite scorer, it would be extremely tempting. And if I'm Vinny, I'd look at it more seriously because by the time Tampa becomes a contender again, if they ever do in my lifetime, Vincent will be retired.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Mar 13, 2008 6:51:27 GMT -5
When you look around the league you can start to appreciate what Gainey is doing. Drafting superstars only to have to trade them when they hit their prime hardly seems like a recipe for long term success. Along with that you have the ego problems fed by the media and fans. Give me a team full of hard working character guys who will go through a wall for each other backed by solid goaltending sprinkled with some shifty gifted offensive players all playing a system they can use effectively and I'll show you a perennial contender. IMO finding a good blend is what it's all about (that and a bit of support from Lady Luck). I think a team needs superstar players to be a serious contender. This year Kovalev is among the best forward in the league as is Markov one of the best dmen in the league. Remove these 2 and we're nowhere near where we are now. |
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 13, 2008 8:39:40 GMT -5
Komi and Higs for Lecavalier would hurt, but it's very, very tempting. I don’t think you’d have to give up that much, not for a UFA anyways. Higgins and Komisarek would be two core players, and I can’t think of any UFA trade that involved two core players of the stature of Komisarek and Higgins. Regardless of what you think of those two actual players, there is no denying that they are a significant and huge part of the team and dressing room. Plus Komisarek too, would be heading into UFA. The going rate for elite UFA’s seems to be two-three young players/prospects, plus one or two picks. So I’d offer a first round pick, and any three of the following players: Halak, O’Byrne, Gorges, Grabovski, Latendresse, McDonagh, Valentenko, Emelin, Perezhoghin, Fischer, Pacioretty, etc.. The first five are legitimate NHLers with upside, the rest are top prospects with upside. I think any combination of the above would be more than equal to the returns on the Hossa and Richard deals this year, or the Forsberg deal last year… It depends on how things play out of course, but I can see a scenario where Montreal being Montreal would actually help LOWER the cost of getting Lecavalier. There may not be as many teams in the running for him come trade deadline day, as the perception *might* be that "he's almost certainly bolting for Montreal in the off-season, so we don't want to give up too much for a sure-fire rental." For a guy like Hossa this year, Pittsburgh may figure they have just as much chance at resigning Hossa as any other team, so it is worth the gamble. But if other teams figure there is NO chance that they can resign Lecavalier, they may turn their eyes onto other UFAs next deadline day, other UFAs that they might feel they at least have a chance at resigning. Feaster may end up with a limited number of trade partners. (Of course this is all contingent on how Lecavalier feels about playing in Tampa and/or Montreal - he may love it there and/or hate the idea of coming to Montreal) |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 13, 2008 9:44:01 GMT -5
Feaster may end up with a limited number of trade partners. (Of course this is all contingent on how Lecavalier feels about playing in Tampa and/or Montreal - he may love it there and/or hate the idea of coming to Montreal) And I'm leaning towards the latter..... it was well known that the last time his contract expired, that Montreal was going to make an offer, a really good offer. He didn't even wait for the offer, he re-signed in Tampa. If he wanted to play in Montreal, he had every opportunity to do it then. And I think more people in the hockey world know this than we think .... that's why have to offer Komi and Higgins. To get him before he goes on the open market, where we will undoubtably be out-bid. |
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Post by franko on Mar 13, 2008 9:53:48 GMT -5
Then Skilly I think it is too much to pay for a "pure rental" who will dart to bigger money or less pressure the minute the season is over.
the only -- and I mean the only way I would pay big time for anyone is if we are guaranteed a Cup.
I've actually been mulling this over in my mind: how much would I be willing to pay for a guaranteed Cup? Would I take a Cup this year or next, guaranteed, even if it puts us back to the place of struggle for a couple of [or 5] years, or would I want to be perennial contenders for those 5 years -- no guarantee, but possibility.
Haven't decided, actually, and thought about a poll [though I lean towards CUP NOW!].
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Post by Skilly on Mar 13, 2008 11:51:50 GMT -5
Then Skilly I think it is too much to pay for a "pure rental" who will dart to bigger money or less pressure the minute the season is over. My reasoning is to get him here and use his signing as a part of the 100 yr celebrations. Have him and Beliveau together ... hype it up ... he'd sign here once he sees it from the inside. But being on the outside, I feel that it will turn into a bidding war. I'll even be his speech writer ... "Hey, I'm no Jean Beliveau, although I did play him on TV" (I know I know it was a movie ... but that's not the famous "doctor" line ...)  |
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Post by habmeister on Mar 13, 2008 14:07:31 GMT -5
i think vinny wants to be here, i think the reason he went back to tampa was because he's loyal and we weren't that good a couple of years ago. he was going back to a team that won the cup. now he knows where were heading, and it ain't down.
he would be a god in montreal, the biggest thing since roy and lafleur, and he wouldn't have to carry the whole load with the supporting case we've got.
it'd be scary to have vinny in this lineup.
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Post by CrocRob on Mar 13, 2008 17:56:22 GMT -5
i think vinny wants to be here, i think the reason he went back to tampa was because he's loyal and we weren't that good a couple of years ago. he was going back to a team that won the cup. now he knows where were heading, and it ain't down. he would be a god in montreal, the biggest thing since roy and lafleur, and he wouldn't have to carry the whole load with the supporting case we've got. it'd be scary to have vinny in this lineup. I have a hard time figuring out how we can add Vinny and keep our core mostly intact. Vinny (~$10M) means Koivu and Kovalev are definitely gone. Raises later on for Kostitsyns and others become tight. |
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