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Post by Cranky on Feb 23, 2002 23:34:16 GMT -5
There is a reason he is saying this. I am working on something to show WHY he said this.
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USA coach: Canada's hockey style "stupid"
By CHRIS STEVENSON -- SLAM! Sports
SALT LAKE CITY - American coach Herb Brooks fired what amounts to the closest thing to a shot across the bow of Team Canada Saturday.
On the eve of the biggest game in Canada since 1972, Brooks called the way Team Canada plays hockey "stupid."
"Playing that (dump and chase) style is their style, their philosophy in Canada," said Brooks. "They like that style. I think the game is a little more profound than that. I think the ability of the players can allow them to do so much more.
"If you look at football, basketball and football, possession is the name of the game. It seems kind of stupid to me to work hard to get the puck and then say, 'I'm going to give it back to you, then try to get it back again.
"That's going to be (Canada's) style on this rink, the small rink or out in the parking lot."
Brooks said his team is capable of playing more creative, stimulating hockey.
"Our team is very adept at playing what I call a hybrid style. I believe in a hybrid system, where you play East-West when necessary and stretch the zones.
I don't think the Canadian coaches share that. Maybe (head coach) Pat Quinn does a little, but I don't think the others (associates Jacques Martin, Ken Hitchcock and Wayne Fleming) do."
Ouch.
Brooks also pointed out that Canada has zero gold medals over the last 50 years.
While the colourful Brooks made some pretty bold statements there, he's not going to be making any fashion statements.
When Brooks coached the 1980 "Miracle on Ice" USA men's hockey team to the gold medal, he wore a pair of plaid pants behind the bench.
Would he consider breaking them out for Sunday's game?
"No, they don't fit," he said with a laugh, "and they're not in style. I don't think they were ever in style."
He's also been doing some behind the scenes work on Team Canada captain Mario Lemieux, Brooks' ex-boss with the Pittsburgh Penguins.
"I told him I've got a Mario bobblehead doll and I've been sticking pins in his hip," said Brooks.
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 24, 2002 0:11:07 GMT -5
I just want to point this out: Mr Brooks' boss is a certain number 66 who will kick some American butt tomorrow ;D
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Post by GNick on Feb 24, 2002 6:47:35 GMT -5
Another example of arrogance
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 24, 2002 13:10:26 GMT -5
The worst thing about it is,the only way to beat these idiots will be by dumping it in and mashing their defence.Let's hope we will see loads of this  |
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Post by Pam on Feb 24, 2002 14:40:58 GMT -5
Why do you let some idiot comment upset you. I've been staying away from everything because of the crap talk by all the countries, including mine. Why does this have to be "them against us" mentality between the USA and Canada. I don't feel the way some of these idiots do. A lot of us don't, so why do you have to get so outraged? If Brooks is going to be an AH idiot there is nothing we can do but ignore the idiot comments by him and everyone else, which means any idiot comments between any and all countries, any and all people, including our countries and any idiot comments made by idiots in our country. Arrogance? A few here are but so are a few Canadians. Don't brand all of us as arrogant idiots. Did you all of a sudden forget we already play your style of hockey in the US?   |
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Post by The New Guy on Feb 24, 2002 18:17:01 GMT -5
Because Pam, quite simply... it is us against you.
No offence or anything - I don't mean to say that we're going to disown you simply because you're an American. That's not fair to you. But we take hockey seriously up here. Very seriously.
I'm sure you've heard comments about being a Habs fan when they're not playing the Leafs - because to many of us, that seems impossible. You can cheer the Habs and the Leafs. It's either/or. Heads or tails.
We've been raised that way. Take the American thing with baseball and then amplify it twentyfold, and that's hockey to us. Take European Soccer and put it on ice with sticks and that's hockey to us.
Younge Street was empty today. Empty. I lived in Toronto for a year one block from Younge. Younge is NEVER, EVER empty. Even in the middle of a blizzard it's not empty.
When we won today I felt a true blue streak of pride. The gold medal was coming back where it belonged. Canada. I didn't play on the team, but it was there. We won. Not just the boys on the ice. We. Canada.
We live and breathe hockey. Kids learn how to skate before they can walk. I held a hockey stick before I learned how to skate. That early yes. I was shaking during most of the third.
Don't get us wrong Pam. We still love you. But for today, you are the enemy. You are, or were, the one thing between us and the promised land. And because of the American tenacity to make stupid comments like "The Canadian system is stupid" (so stupid in fact, Mr. Brooks, that it beat you on ice - funny that) or commit ctupid, insulting errors, like trampling all over out flag, is amplified from what we would probably apologize for in any other situation, into something that makes our blood boil so hot that you could mistake Canada for Florida.
It's hockey.
We're sorry. Trust us.
Just don't stand in our way
But really, we're sorry
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Post by Pam on Feb 24, 2002 18:51:49 GMT -5
Because Pam, quite simply... it is us against you. No offence or anything - I don't mean to say that we're going to disown you simply because you're an American. That's not fair to you. But we take hockey seriously up here. Very seriously. TNG, I should have worded that a little differently. Of course it was USA against Canada, but I didn't mean it that way. How I meant it was that it shouldn't be 'us against them' in the angry way it has been the last few days. Not with the animosity I've seen since Wayne talked in the Canadian Media the other day and got many Canadians upset with the people of the USA. Angry enough at the USA to make angry, hateful posts about us as a country. I've seen a lot of very upset Canadian hockey fans the last few days and they've lashed out of at us in the United States as if we all felt the way the AH's down here felt. As if it was us saying it about Canada and not the AH's. I don't like the garbage talk in the Media by ANYONE and that includes the AH's in the USA. I don't remember if I posted it here before the Olympics, but I did elsewhere. I was rooting for CANADA NOT the USA to win the Gold. I saw Canadian fans post they had real doubts that Team Canada could win. My comeback to all of them was I HAD FAITH in Team Canada to win the Gold. Then after Team Canada lost to Team Sweden, Canadians were bashing their own team. I promptly posted I STILL BELIEVED Team Canada could win the Gold. Lots of times I had more faith in Team Canada than Canada did. I DID NOT WANT USA to win the Gold and that is how I have felt from the very beginning before all the crap in the US and Canadian media about what "he said, she said." Both the US and Canada have had some people saying stuff they shouldn't have. Wayne said in an interview after the game today that he said some stuff the other day to take the pressure off Team Canada and put the pressure on him. That 'stuff' he said the other day is what got Canadians mad at us as saying we didn't want Canada to ever win again. That was a bunch of hogwash!! Maybe a few AH's down here said that, but I can guarantee the majority of hockey fans in the USA would never say garbage like that. Only the AH's would and we both know that both our countries have lots of good people, but both our countries also have AH's or rotten apples. Team Canada has gone 50 years without winning the Gold in the Olympics. Canada deserved to win the Gold today, and I for one am VERY happy Canada won the Gold. |
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Post by Cranky on Feb 24, 2002 19:13:59 GMT -5
I am going to wade into this with a lot of caution. <br>
Pam, you posted a question a long time ago as to what team we cheer besides the Hab's. You don't understand some of us. There is nothing else for some of us. You ask if I would cheer for another team, yes, my Canadian Olympic team, and I am hoarse after doing it all afternoon long. <br>
You want me to cheer for another team? Tear my heart out with a claw hammer first, smash it and then put it back in. I still will never cheer for another team. Never.....EVER
Some of us have our passions run so deep that it borders on lunacy. Do you know what "E Tan, E Epitas" mean? Victory or death, in Greek. Yes death. What a glorious way to die. <br>
You want me to make the deal with the Devil to give me one year of of hockey greatness? Show me where to sign. Now is good time as any. No reservations. <br>
I don't know how we get like this, maybe it is a genetic defect for all Hab's fans, indeed for many Canadians. Or maybe we are just crazy. Whatever it is, I am not going to cure it. I want it, enjoy it and revel in it. Till my death.
I am truly sorry that some have offended others. I looked at some post and came close to deleting some, but, one thing I know will happen. When this feeling subsides and we get back to the daily routine, some will be sorry of what they said. Some will be man and woman enough to admit it. I hope they do.
One thing for sure Pam, and all of our American friends, this passion, this nationalism is nothing more then a feeling that will soon pass. Canadians and Americans are joined at the hip, we may have two heads and quarrel, BUT in the end of the day, in the next crisis and as early as tomorrow, we will be friends again.
Forgive us for wearing our passion and our Flag on our emotional sleeve. We are still friends.
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Post by GNick on Feb 24, 2002 21:00:14 GMT -5
We can take care of our own hockey players thank you very much Mr. Brooks. Just the same!
Brooks was crying after the game saying Canada won because we had an easier ride to the gold medal game. This guy is just one of those guys
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Post by The New Guy on Feb 24, 2002 21:00:58 GMT -5
I think HA has iut right Pam. You don't understand. Maybe by virtue of your birth you can't understand. Maybe it's because you were introduced to the sport when you were counciouss of the fact that it was just that - a sport. Maybe it's because you live in a place where snow is a forigen as French (neither of which is really rare up this way). Maybe it is genetic, and one of our little chromosomes has a T where there is an A in all Americans that causes us to adore a game where grown men chase a tiny rubber disk around a sheet of ice with sticks. Maybe it's because you're a stinking Leaf's fan (oops... did that slip out?  By the way, we do have ijits up here who deserve bigger kicks in the arse than many, many Americans. However, with a few elite exceptions we don't put them on TV (excluding Mr Cherry of course). We elect them and put them in government. It is our way. I did, however, paint all Americans with a very large brush and I do apologize. I tried to qualify my comments, and yes ma'am, you are as classy as anyone else on this board, and certainly more classy than me, but the fact remains that every time I've encountered Americans there's been an amazingly glaring amount of them who deserve to have a bag full of hockey pucks rammed down their throats they're so stunned. During the tragedy last fall we had a whole boat load of Americans relocate to the MUN campus (where I study) because they were returning from Europe and needed to land but fast. One guy, in passing, asked me why there was no snow. He said that when he had heard he was landing in Canada he was glad at least that he might be able to go cross country sking to see some of the sights. I wanted to slap him silly. I didn't of course, but you get the idea. Maybe instead of putting all your ignorants in government you send them away - I could buy that.... But back on track. You said you didn't want the Yankees to win. You're wrong - at least in our eyes. We couldn't concieve not cheering for Canada. How could you concieve rooting for anyone other than your native land? You have to cheer for them. You're one of them. The enemy. The adversary. It's hockey. Like I said. We take it very seriously. There was a joke over on the CF Board in a string where they were discussing the final and who had more to lose or something. We were told to think about all the Canadians who would kill themselves if we didn't win. That's not funny. Because while a loss today probably wouldn't have caused mass, ritualitic suicide using our skate blades to slit various arteries and veins, I can promise you that none of us would've been as bright and as perky tomorrow as we we're today. I can promise you that a lot of people would be drinking with tears in their eyes (instead of drinking until their eyes are floating). And despite the humour that it's said with, the entire Canadian hockey system would've been overhauled again. You don't understand hockey. No - you can understand hockey. You don't know what it means to us. What we'd do for it. Sell my soul? I'd give the rest of my natural life to see the Habs lift the cup again - so lets not talk about what I'd do so that I could lift it. To tell the truth - I feel sorry for you. I feel sorry for all people who can't form a connection like this to this sport. It's poetry in motion. Later |
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Post by Pam on Feb 24, 2002 21:14:07 GMT -5
I am going to wade into this with a lot of caution. <br> Pam, you a question a long time ago as to what team we cheer besides the Hab's. You don't understand some of us. There is nothing else for some of us. You ask if I would cheer for another team, yes, my Canadian Olympic team, and I am horse doing it all afternoon long. <br> Forgive us for wearing our passion and our Flag on our emotional sleeve. We are still friends. HA, there is nothing to forgive for wearing your passion and your Flag on your emotional sleeve. I would worry about you if you didn't. I want you to feel that way. What bothered me were the hard feelings that were being created in Canada by what was said by Wayne, by Herb and what did or didn't happen in the Women's Team USA dressing room. I blame the media on both sides of the board for that. They were trying to pump Canada up for the Gold Medal in hockey. It worked, but it worked too well. With everything being said in the Canadian Media, and everything the Media in both our countries were saying "he said, she said" it created some very hard feelings. Those kinds of hard feelings are going to create the reactions I got from lots of places in the last few days. It distressed me that the media could get away with causing such an uproar. After what Wayne said on NBC after the game today, I got the feeling he was trying to create that kind of reaction. Don't worry about me. I'll survive it all. I just felt bad that all of you were going through that and it made me angry with the media. I doubt I will even watch the 2006 Olympics even for the hockey after all the hype and ill feelings created by the media for this Olympics. Couple that with the collusion in the Pairs Skating and Jamie and David first being cheated of the Gold they won for their perfect program to get the Silver instead, to having to share the Gold with Russian when Russia's Pair Skaters didn't skate perfectly, I've had it with the Olympics corruption and the hype and angry feelings that hype created. Yes we are still friends. I never thought any of you weren't my friends. I refuse to let this kind of thing come before my friendships. I'm very passionate about my teams too. If I had been rooting for the USA instead of Canada, right now I would be crying, but I'm not because I wanted the mens Team Canada to win the gold. I wanted the Men to win the Gold even before the Olympics started. I separated the Olympics Hockey from my Country loyalty long before the Olympics. I don't think I should have to root for USA if I like another Country's team and that country's players more than I like my country's players. I hope no one misunderstands what I was trying to say here. I'm not finding fault with you guys, just what the media did to us. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 25, 2002 15:52:55 GMT -5
Anybody heard Brooks' post game conference? he said something like 'hate to sound like sour grapes,but I can't believe the way they determine who plays who in the medal round...'
Pah-leeze! it's not OUR fault if Belarus beat Sweden.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Feb 26, 2002 0:01:10 GMT -5
How aboot "Herb Brooks is stupid" Canadian Hockey Style.
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 26, 2002 8:49:57 GMT -5
I was listening to the Team 990 yesterday afternoon, and they managed to get Herb Brooks on the phone. He very emphatically stated that he did NOT make those "stupid" comments, and in fact was quite upset about it. He said that whichever journalist made that up was the "most irresponsible journalist in the world." He said, repeatedly, that he was very happy to be able to clear the air, because when he read those quotes, allegedly attributed to him, he was "shocked and embarrassed."
For what that's worth.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Feb 26, 2002 19:57:22 GMT -5
Herb Brooks, Bill Clinton, and O.J. Simpson always tell the truth. He absolutely 100% never not once did not make those statements. Define what you mean by truth.
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